Led Growing Is The Way Of The Future My Friends

[Gary Busey]

I have been eyeing those ProSource LEDs for a while now. I eventually want to try out most of the different companies out there, the good ones anyways. I have so far tried 2 different ones with great luck, and my neighbor has 2 panels from another place that is doing great.

I have also been emailing with an LED manufacturer (the actual factory that a lot of companies use for their panels), and got some wholesale pricing from them (it's actually quite cheap, less than $1 per actual watt, actually closer to $0.79 per watt) And they'll customize the panels to the customers specs. The minimum order is 12 units. But they'll let you order just one unit to test it out, I am going to get 2 units, 1 veg, 1 flower, and will be to my specs, seems to me a lot of LED companies are selling their customers gimmicks and pretty colors, spectrums that aren't even used by plants. Not sure if I want to become an LED company, but 12 small to medium panels for my personal garden made to my specs would be nice to have.

Sadly, he does not.
I love that I'm a "noob", even though I've been growing for over a decade.
This "noob" has used HPS, CFL, T5, and LED in his garden over the years.
My ProSource LED's have worked the best for me out of all those.
My "noob" skills are so bad with my LED's that the cuttings I sell to the local dispensaries are only described as the "healthiest" that they carry.
An HPS light may yield about 10%-15% more bud then the LED setup I currently use, but it would also cost about 3 times as much a month for the A/C needed to cool the grow tent sufficiently.

 

[Harrekin]

It takes over 5 years and three months to recover electricity savings from the light versus HPS for a 400w LED panel versus 600w HPS...fusion works too,and its probably the future,but it's a waste of money for now when coal/gas/oil can do a better job for cheaper....get the analogy?

LEDs ain't ready yet,they need to come down by 85% before they become ready for common use.

 

[Gary Busey]

Don't you have an HID thread you can hang out on?

 

[fdd2blk]

It takes over 5 years and three months to recover electricity savings from the light versus HPS for a 400w LED panel versus 600w HPS...fusion works too,and its probably the future,but it's a waste of money for now when coal/gas/oil can do a better job for cheaper....get the analogy?

LEDs ain't ready yet,they need to come down by 85% before they become ready for common use.

dude, stop please.


thank you.

 

[Harrekin]

I didn't insult anyone and I was completly on topic...? What rule did I break to be told to stop just outta interest?

 

[Gary Busey]

I didn't insult anyone and I was completly on topic...? What rule did I break to be told to stop just outta interest?

Can I go to the HID threads and tell everyone they're using stupid primitive heat lamps to grow, and make them feel unwelcome on the site?

 

[fdd2blk]

I didn't insult anyone and I was completly on topic...? What rule did I break to be told to stop just outta interest?

your point was made and taken. thank you.

 

[Harrekin]

Can I go to the HID threads and tell everyone they're using stupid primitive heat lamps to grow, and make them feel unwelcome on the site?

I'm not makin anyone feel unwelcome,I posted a fact about the actual electricity savings versus supposed savings and how it takes longer than the panels lifespan (3 months more) to actualy save any electricity cos of the high purchase price of the fixture.

And sure you can jump onto HID threads and insult them all you want when LEDs are cost effective and can actually outproduce "stupid primitive heat lamps" in the hands of a normal person,infact I'd love that to be the case but it's just not yet.

EDIT: The point wasn't taken at all fdd,and anyways I thought this was a discussion board? We were having a debate and I didn't break any rules whatsoever.

 

[Gary Busey]

You made me feel unwelcome. Who wants to come to a site where we can't talk about the way they grow and learn and teach without people like you coming along and bashing how we grow?

I like LEDs, many others do too, and you are not convincing anyone of anything here. You sound like a broken record. We get it, you don't like LEDs. Now fuck off.

Go to your HID threads and talk about whatever you want there.

I'm not makin anyone feel unwelcome,I posted a fact about the actual electricity savings versus supposed savings and how it takes longer than the panels lifespan (3 months more) to actualy save any electricity cos of the high purchase price of the fixture.

And sure you can jump onto HID threads and insult them all you want when LEDs are cost effective and can actually outproduce "stupid primitive heat lamps" in the hands of a normal person,infact I'd love that to be the case but it's just not yet.

 

[Harrekin]

Fine I'll split to a different thread,I wasn't trying to "convince" anyone anything,I just posted actual FACTS instead of the myth,legend and LED fairy stories,whether you choose to ignore them or not is up to you,but it doesn't make what I posted any less fact. Peace.

 

[Gary Busey]

You ain't stating no facts dude! You're spreading lies. So get lost.

Fine I'll split to a different thread,I wasn't trying to "convince" anyone anything,I just posted actual FACTS instead of the myth,legend and LED fairy stories,whether you choose to ignore them or not is up to you,but it doesn't make what I posted any less fact. Peace.

 

[Harrekin]

Lies?! No hold on,where did I lie?

 

[skunkfish1]

Not meaning to jump right in the middle of your dis agreement here, but I got a real question about led.......I am pretty much a noob grower have grown 2 crops both under 400 w hps and feel i got good results from both crops,but due to my work sometimes I have to leave for a week suddenely and its usually in the middle of a grow, and no one except my wife knows i grow and she goes with me....so here is my question is the heat from a led significantly less then an hps and with less heat do your plants require less water ? would it be possible to leave for a week and not have to worry about your house burning down or your plants not getting water ?

 

[Gary Busey]

PM me, apparently we can't talk about LEDs in public here. I am more than happy to share my knowledge that I have with you.

Not meaning to jump right in the middle of your dis agreement here, but I got a real question about led.......I am pretty much a noob grower have grown 2 crops both under 400 w hps and feel i got good results from both crops,but due to my work sometimes I have to leave for a week suddenely and its usually in the middle of a grow, and no one except my wife knows i grow and she goes with me....so here is my question is the heat from a led significantly less then an hps and with less heat do your plants require less water ? would it be possible to leave for a week and not have to worry about your house burning down or your plants not getting water ?

 

[Harrekin]

I didn't say they didnt work at all,I said that cos of their ridiculous price for now they're not cost effective cos you don't save anything on electricity for years and years,want to see the actual math to work it out for yourself?

 

[jdizzle22]

Lies?! No hold on,where did I lie?

I don't mean to say you are lieing, I'm just quoting off of this post.

What you were saying about electrical costs, you forgot to factor in replacement ballasts, air conditioning costs to run and maintain units, and also the cost from running the exhaust fans needed to cool the bulbs. That said, I realize what you are saying. But you also gotta realize its not always about the money we have now, its also about using less electricity day to day.

I absolutely 100% agree with you that LED is priced way to high (esp if thats true about factories selling it direct for 80 cents a watt when the companies charge us $2-5 per watt) **I paid ~$2.75

But I disagree that it can't do as well or better than HPS (I believe I've seen enough to know that some LED panels you can buy right now will grow more higher quality marijuana running watt for running watt compared to HPS ***The difference in yield is insignificant, UV might be what makes it a little more potent). That said, yeah you will have to pay quite a bit upfront, so for now it sn't worth it to anyone with a significant set up (who didn't win the lottery), or those that don't need to run air conditioning.

LED and HID/HPS each have their pros and cons, for the majority of growers HID/HPS is still the way to go.

PS: Perhaps LEDs are only so expensive because people who sell them decide so. If more growers start their own companies hopefully prices will go down (less than $1 from the factor is a SHITLOAD less than $2-5 from the LED company website).

PSS: I have an LED that runs on 395w, I think it performs better than my 400w digital ballast HPS system in penetration, # of trichomes, but I didn't notice any difference in size/density of nugs (although they might have been a little more solid than the HPS grown). It also seems to make <=25% as much heat, which is the primary reason why I switched to LED. If it produced a similar amount of heat watt for watt compared to HPS, I wouldn't have bought it.

 

[Gary Busey]

Dude, no one is disagreeing with you that they're expensive. I am a proud LED user, and will argue or fight to the death backing them for their abilities, and I still agree they're too expensive. I just happen to be able to afford them. If you can't afford one, don't buy one? There are plenty of options out there for people to grow their plants. And this site is a cannabis site, we are here to learn, teach, and talk about cannabis. If LEDs work, and if people like them, and can afford them, I don't see what the big deal is? Live and let live, and don't fight fellow cannabis growers over my dick is bigger than yours. I thought it was us vs. the anti-cannabis law makers? Not us vs. anti-cannabis law makers vs LED users. Get the fuck out of here..... Come in dude....

It's like bashing Mercedes or BMW because they're expensive. They're still nice though...

I didn't say they didnt work at all,I said that cos of their ridiculous price for now they're not cost effective cos you don't save anything on electricity for years and years,want to see the actual math to work it out for yourself?

 

[Harrekin]

But there is no appreciable difference between LEDs and HIDs except the pricetag,it's people like me who will drive the innovation by saying it's not good enough for the price.

 

[GeeTee]

read like 7 pages and lost focus. anyways just like to say i jus bought a pro gro 260 mainly because of heat issues. where im at 90+ everyday 100+on heat index and like 80-90%rh , fuckin electric bill been raping me. havent got it yet but ive heard many good things bout it and the price isnt bad in my situation. got coupla seedlings imma flower with it and see how it fairs with a 250hps

 

[Hasbroh]

I have been eyeing those ProSource LEDs for a while now. I eventually want to try out most of the different companies out there, the good ones anyways. I have so far tried 2 different ones with great luck, and my neighbor has 2 panels from another place that is doing great.

I have also been emailing with an LED manufacturer (the actual factory that a lot of companies use for their panels), and got some wholesale pricing from them (it's actually quite cheap, less than $1 per actual watt, actually closer to $0.79 per watt) And they'll customize the panels to the customers specs. The minimum order is 12 units. But they'll let you order just one unit to test it out, I am going to get 2 units, 1 veg, 1 flower, and will be to my specs, seems to me a lot of LED companies are selling their customers gimmicks and pretty colors, spectrums that aren't even used by plants. Not sure if I want to become an LED company, but 12 small to medium panels for my personal garden made to my specs would be nice to have.

What size were you thinking? I might be interested.