Club 600

[stinkbudd1]

600 watts 12/12 from seed here are my babies @ 45 days from sprout!!

Looking real good..i'll check later for sex just wanted to get a couple of pic's before lights on..

 

[Heads Up]

Head Up

I recently repotted everything in the bloom room with little or no problem other than slowing the growth for a week while the roots re-established and then the plants took off. It also cured some ills from a poor medium.


cof

Thanks cof, I went ahead and put them into two gallon pots. I didn't water them for a day and they were rather wilted this morning. It's easier to repot when the plant is good and dry but I didn't want it wilted. Anyway after the transplant and a drink of water a few hours later and the looked back to life again. I'll have a better idea in the morning of how they are doing.

And yes whoever mentioned it, they were rootbound.

genotype is the genes of the plant and internal make up while phenotype is the visible characteristics

Think of it this way, it's like twins who look nothing alike.

yeah and phenotypes's i think. like if its cold and purple comes out, thats phenotype i think?? environment variables like temps and stuff i think but i'm not 100% bro

Environment will bring out different nuances of a plant, most assuredly, but I don't think that is phenotype. Phenotype is again think of twins, one has black hair the other red.

Take for example a Kush strain grown in the mountains. There are plants at the bottom of the mountain and plants higher up the mountain. The plants higher up will look different even though they come from the same line of genetics, hecne different environmental conditions effecting the way the plant is. Plants adapt to their environmental situation.

Good example DST, same plants, same genes but the different environments allow different genes to be expressed.

I think what we are discussing is different since most of us control our environment. How do beans from the same mother turn into such different looking plants under the same exact conditions? I personally think it's because it is still not an extremely stable strain to begin with. How many breeders are actually breeding generation after generation for years and years to truly stabilize a strain? I don't want that stable of a strain where every plant is an exact copy of the next. I want a bit of instability, it gives me the chance to come across that one in a hundred killer plants. This is all pure conjecture on my part and subject to change depending on how stoned I get tonight.

 

[Heads Up]

Indecline. I have found I like to try to keep my plants around thirty inches max. I too see no need to veg six weeks, it does create a jungle that the light can't possibly penetrate. Two to three weeks gives me a plant that I have to supercrop the main stem at least once and a nice little canopy of about a dozen choice nuggets. I just supercropped and tied down my psycho killer today, I'll get a pic up on the morrow my lights are out now. This is a 12/12 from seed plant and it's very healthy and extremely vigorous with HUGE fan leaves. After supercropping, I removed one fan leaf to expose more of the rest of the plant.

 

[stinkbudd1]

Say heads up when you say 3 weeks veg bro from what point are you referring ..If i sprout a bean and count from the first true set of leaves three weeks later does not leave me with a 10" or more plant and i also end up with most likely a single cola plant as well..from what point do you start to count as actual veg time?

 

[las fingerez]

thats why i gave up on genetics to damn confusing when ur stoned lol

 

[kev.au]

Great White Shark

Such a nice smoke.

 

[genuity]

Say heads up when you say 3 weeks veg bro from what point are you referring ..If i sprout a bean and count from the first true set of leaves three weeks later does not leave me with a 10" or more plant and i also end up with most likely a single cola plant as well..from what point do you start to count as actual veg time?

well im not heads up,but this is a "headsup" on my take on veg....

i start all my seeds in party cups with press-n-seal wrap on top,once seed is up and seed shell is off<this is when i start my "seedling stage",the dome stays on for one week,i then take the dome/wpap off the cups,<<all of that is done under a 13watt light.
i then move the plants to the t-5's for 2 weeks of "pre-veg",at this point they have two nodes,after two weeks of pre-veg,i have a nice root ball,on a 4-5 node plant
now to my veg,i transplant plants into what ever pots they will be in,3-5 gal pots,now
its time to veg to the size i desireunder the 600!

 

[harli32019]

So i recently upgraded from my closet to a dr120 2, and from cfl's to a 600 watt hps/cooltube and a t5 for veg. Think i'll experiment with a mh vs t5 for a while try to compare the increased growth with my power consumption. Finally a club member! Too bad I can't start until august...ugh...

 

[jigfresh]

So i recently upgraded from my closet to a dr120 2, and from cfl's to a 600 watt hps/cooltube and a t5 for veg. Think i'll experiment with a mh vs t5 for a while try to compare the increased growth with my power consumption. Finally a club member! Too bad I can't start until august...ugh...

Welcome to the club harli... I hope you like fast moving threads with lots of good info, good times, and beautiful buds. Man is it going to be hard to wait till august or what. Welcome again.

 

[Heads Up]

well im not heads up,but this is a "headsup" on my take on veg....

i start all my seeds in party cups with press-n-seal wrap on top,once seed is up and seed shell is off<this is when i start my "seedling stage",the dome stays on for one week,i then take the dome/wpap off the cups,<<all of that is done under a 13watt light.
i then move the plants to the t-5's for 2 weeks of "pre-veg",at this point they have two nodes,after two weeks of pre-veg,i have a nice root ball,on a 4-5 node plant
now to my veg,i transplant plants into what ever pots they will be in,3-5 gal pots,now
its time to veg to the size i desireunder the 600!

Pretty much the same thing I do except I don't cover my seedlings with a wrap nor do I start them in party cups. I start in peat pellets and once sprouted I then put the pellet into a party cup. I do cover the peat pellets to keep them moist, I just turn a glass upside down over them until the bean sprouts. I use two 23 watt? cfl's? for starting my babies and when they get too big for the lights they then go into my tent under t-5's. I use two 5600k and two 4100k for vegging. At most my plants now veg for about four weeks maybe a touch less. I used to veg them for six and the only real difference I've seen was in a sativa grow. I don't know if the extra two weeks of veg for an indica is really worth it??? I do however think building a good root system by transplanting a couple of times works very well and helps increase your yield. I like to let my root system really get going before transplanting into a bigger container. A seed put directly into a three gallon pot won't develop the root system a seed started in party cups and then transplanted a couple of times into a three gallon pot will develop. I've also noticed depending on the size of your container. It seems to me a plant has to fill any container with a certain amount of roots before it will start to flower. If I transplant from a one gallon container into a three gallon container right before switching to 12/12, it is going to take that plant some time to put out more roots until it fills the container with enough roots and then it starts flowering. Might take two weeks of 12/12 to start seeing pistils. These are just some things I've noticed as time passes and I gain more experience. Again, all conjecture on my part, I'm not a damn scientist.

harli, I have noticed not enough of a difference to warrant burning a mh for veg if you have t-5's. Just my two cents on the issue...and welcome to the six hundred.

 

[1badmasonman]

I saw somebody mentioned tangerine dream. My ex partner has tangerine dream and super skunk beans. Anyone grow either of these stains any info would be helpful. I also want to inquire about the super lemon haze. All reviews are welcome.

Headsup ive grown the super skunk out and it was a nice smoke. I also have the tangerine dream that i did not grow myself but it is some fucking kill. Smells really strong citrus more grape fruity i think than tangerine, and has a uppity hiiiiiiighhh.

 

[Heads Up]

Jig, could you imagine a hundred acre farm in amish country and doing all your growing and harvesting by hand? I've seen the draft horses pulling plows in those fields, quite the amazing site in this day and age and I just watched something about being amish on tv the other night. Was anyone else aware that amish kids once they reach sixteen, the adults have no jurisdiction over them? They can do what they want? They basically have a free period to decide if they want to be amish and join the amish church or be english as they call the rest of the american people. They can go out and drink, do drugs, party until they pass out, have sex, whatever...but if the decide to join the church, it all ends and if they join and then leave the church, they are shunned, nobody will talk to them. Intersting show but I still wouldn't want to tend to a hundred acre pot farm the amish way.

 

[Heads Up]

Thank you my old friend, nice to see you again and all my old brothers on the six hundred. There's no place like home.

 

[duchieman]

Wow! Finally caught up, and I've been lurking too! We go through a little bit of a lull here and then all of a sudden, the 600 comes alive again. Like I said, I've been lurking but I'm still up to stuff in the meantime and I'll catch up with you all about that soon. I will say I sprouted 8 new young ones over the past couple of days and they're all up. The main two I was anxious about where Jack Hammers from the seed I made. I figured I better get a couple going and see if the damn things will even grow. Well figures they'd be the last ones up, but they're here and looking great.

Heads Up...Great to see ya again and hearing that your doing good. Sorry bout the job thing. I'm dealing with employment crap too but I'm not getting back on that pulpit right now, but I'll just say, I hear ya brother! I also hear ya on the Amish thing, and yes I knew about that. I seen a documentary on it too and one of the characters had his buggy all powered up with a sound system that would be the envy of many car and stereo buffs. Tunes where loaded on his iPod. At the end, he ended up choosing his faith and community and giving it all up. Love that Killing Fields man.

Doobie...I'm really digging the MC Frontalot. My kinda Nerd.

bassman...thanks for the post of humidity. Had to read the damn thing 10 times or more till it sunk in....damn weed!

And of course, I can't remember who else I wanted to shout out to, like always. This place just moves so fast and I, I move too slow. Anyway, the big thing with me right now is still dealing with heat. Keeping below 32 is tough right now. My DIY cooltube project, the cutting part anyway, went pretty well at first, with only a small peace that didn't cut clean, but I got too fussy and ended up cracking the whole glass. Next step is an window air conditioner to cool the ambient to what it was in the winter (room temperature) or less, and I should be good. I think the heat is hurting some of my garden and stunting growth though. Oh, and I almost forgot, I switched my 12 hr around and left my light off all day today and fired it up this evening to start a night shift cycle.

I'll get some pics up tomorrow guys. Have lots of questions I'd like to shoot out there too, for the class.


Duchie

 

[DST]

Hey OG's van de 600, good to see you all here again. Makes me all warm and fuzzy...."DST get yer hand of yer ...." oops, sorry Mrs DST.

Have a good un,

Peace, DST

 

[stinkbudd1]

Hey thanks for the feed back fellows and it seems we are on the right page i do mine very similar to you bothbut i start counting my veg a lil early i see now ive been transplanting from party cups after the first couple of leaves or nodes and counting my veg from then..for now on i'll wait a lil longer to transplant to build that root structure up...

 

[Don Gin and Ton]

damn this has to be the fastest moving thread on riu! Morning 600!

jigfresh i got the 40gram bho tube. thanks for the tip, ill probably run 30 ish grams of ground up nug through it n see how the return is. i cant wait to get stuck in.

 

[indecline]

well im not heads up,but this is a "headsup" on my take on veg....

i start all my seeds in party cups with press-n-seal wrap on top,once seed is up and seed shell is off<this is when i start my "seedling stage",the dome stays on for one week,i then take the dome/wpap off the cups,<<all of that is done under a 13watt light.
i then move the plants to the t-5's for 2 weeks of "pre-veg",at this point they have two nodes,after two weeks of pre-veg,i have a nice root ball,on a 4-5 node plant
now to my veg,i transplant plants into what ever pots they will be in,3-5 gal pots,now
its time to veg to the size i desireunder the 600!

so when you say 2-3 weeks veg thats not what my plant would look like, i count my veg from the day the seedling opens up and turns green. but my plants grow under 600's from only a few days old so can be a lot bigger than those grown under smaller lights.
at 2 weeks old my plants look like this
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so 14 days after breaking the soil my plants have a lot more than 2 nodes. so really everyones plants are going to look very different when they say 4 weeks veg. and when people say flower at 12 inch, that too wil vary depending on the stretch. but yeah they will generally be close neough for it to not matter.... I forgot my point.. I would love to see some photos of plants that are starting their 12/12, not the day they go in because they still "veg for a coupl eof weeks before flowering even in 12/12 right. I would love to see some photos from when they start actually flowering and how much space and yield they roughly produce.

I usually flower at this size
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this usually yields around 2 ounces, they may even get a few days older than this photo. but you get the idea. they tend to be about 4 weeks old (i think in the photo its 3.5 weeks from sprouting)

. Anyway, the big thing with me right now is still dealing with heat. Keeping below 32 is tough right now.

Duchie

my temps are currently sitting at 88-93F so yeah around 32C. I dont think its had too much of an impact though, they started out at this maybe a 80-85 last month. but they are growing fine, in fact these plants are budding faster than they have in previous grows. hmm

 

[indecline]

Indecline. I have found I like to try to keep my plants around thirty inches max. I too see no need to veg six weeks, it does create a jungle that the light can't possibly penetrate. Two to three weeks gives me a plant that I have to supercrop the main stem at least once and a nice little canopy of about a dozen choice nuggets. I just supercropped and tied down my psycho killer today, I'll get a pic up on the morrow my lights are out now. This is a 12/12 from seed plant and it's very healthy and extremely vigorous with HUGE fan leaves. After supercropping, I removed one fan leaf to expose more of the rest of the plant.

I know I always ask this and i shouldnt but im going to anyway lol.
What are you pulling from the 12/12 and how much space are they taking up. I keep wanting to run a grow from seed or cuttings but never get round to it incase im dissapointed. If i did do it would a 1 gallon pot be enough for a plant flowered from seed or rooted clone? if so i could try fit 20-25 into my 4x4 tent.
and i know it sounds good on paper but when i try it ill be cursing myself for squeezing so many in. but if i dont try ill never know right. Im trying to pull 16 ounce from a 4x4, i have enough time to root for 2 weeks and veg for 2 before 8 weeks of flowering so the usual 12 weeks.

and you said you supercrop your small plants, so you just supercrop the main stem half way up or so? i have only ever supercropped my plants mid flower if their a bit too sativa and getting too tall, never tried it on an infant lol

 

[DST]

1 gallon is enough. you should pull around 1/2 - 1 oz per plant, you will not be disappointed, this is the way MJ is supposed to grow imo. MJ in nature is not receiving 18 hours of light to my knowledge. Most areas around 13-14hours max.