Diablo OG In Dual Monster Plant System

[lordjin]

Day 40. It just has a certain ring to it, doesn't it? Anyway, they're running at roughly 1100ppm on a very sugar-centric mix. The leaves don't look too happy about the lack of nitrogen, but you gotta do all you can to combat that grassy smell/taste.

Trichs still looking very immature. They have a ways to go, so I'm hoping for a significant increase in size. They show dramatic weight increase every three days if you skip back and compare.

Well the pot label says "flowers bulk up late." It's getting late. I sure hope these flowers start bulking up pretty soon... Lol.

 

[lordjin]

Okay, here's how they look straight on with the flash. I forgot to do that in the above block of photos. I think these are clearer for comparative purposes. Thanks again to all of you who have been watching and commenting. I feel I'm getting valuable insight into LED lighting and nutrient alternatives from a couple of you. I can hardly wait to post my next grow where I have implemented a nutrient change for sure... and perhaps a change to LED? I'm looking at you, Sleezy.

I wasn't satisfied with the night's bulking, so I increased the ppm to 1150 with nute and calmag. I'm an extremist by nature...in fact I'm naked as I type this.

 

[ChairmanMaow]

Beautiful buds. I can't imagine they could bulk up any more!

I'm fascinated of the idea of LED lighting as well. I'm wondering if anyone has done a side by side comparison with the spendy light panels and the $30 ones on ebay. I don't want to sound like a cheapskate, but until I'm not paying for meds, It's gonna be hard to make things happen, if you know what I mean. That, and I don't see the need in spending $600 on something that might not be worth all the hype if it's not necessary.



At least you're not shy about why guys have the internet

 

[sudynim]

ur girls r lookin great man! thanks for the advice on the link but my roommate is the tech guy ill leave that for him to figure out. i just cage em up and tied town the tops. i posted some pics lemmie know what u think. i dont think ppl believe im a noob so they just skip over my shit.....sigh thanks for takin the time

 

[lordjin]

Beautiful buds. I can't imagine they could bulk up any more!

I'm fascinated of the idea of LED lighting as well. I'm wondering if anyone has done a side by side comparison with the spendy light panels and the $30 ones on ebay. I don't want to sound like a cheapskate, but until I'm not paying for meds, It's gonna be hard to make things happen, if you know what I mean. That, and I don't see the need in spending $600 on something that might not be worth all the hype if it's not necessary.



At least you're not shy about why guys have the internet

Thanks again. Believe it or not, they still have quite a bit of bulking to do based on the indication of fresh to dry hair ratio at this point. When all the hairs have shriveled into brown, the buds should be much fatter and heavier, and the trichs more pronounced. The fresh hairs still outnumber the dry ones pretty significantly still.

Yeah, when I think I could probably get two thousand watt fixtures with ballasts for right around six hundred, I gotta know that the LED can produce. I realize it's difficult to expect LED's to do what my thousand watter trapped in 4x2 is doing, but who knows?

I'm feeling so great about this grow, I'm thinking of really doing something serious for my next project. Stay tuned!

 

[ottermunky]

I'd say this is quite serious already! I can't wait to see what you consider serious! also interested in what results come with led I have heard mixed reports, Definetly wont be as effective as a 1000w but led has come a long way in a short time. I think the spectrum isnt as full. Not sure, dont know much about it lol

 

[daveroller]

Great, great information. Much obliged. You've sold me. I'm switching for my next grow to the Advanced. Who knows how my plants would look right now if I had been using that stuff since veg?

If you do buy Advanced Nutrients, I would personally recommend getting it either from the company itself or from one of their authorized sellers. I got burned when I bought from a seller on Amazon.com that had the cheapest price. At least one of the bottles that I got from that seller had some bogus shit in it, not the Sensi-Grow that I paid for. And AN's guarantee only applies if you buy their product from an authorized dealer.

 

[daveroller]

Day 40. It just has a certain ring to it, doesn't it? Anyway, they're running at roughly 1100ppm on a very sugar-centric mix. The leaves don't look too happy about the lack of nitrogen, but you gotta do all you can to combat that grassy smell/taste.

Well the pot label says "flowers bulk up late." It's getting late. I sure hope these flowers start bulking up pretty soon... Lol.

If I remember right, you wrote that Liquid KoolBloom contains a lot of sugar. Is that the source of sugar in your mix that you're talking about?

 

[medicine21]

Yeah, when I think I could probably get two thousand watt fixtures with ballasts for right around six hundred, I gotta know that the LED can produce. I realize it's difficult to expect LED's to do what my thousand watter trapped in 4x2 is doing, but who knows?

I'm feeling so great about this grow, I'm thinking of really doing something serious for my next project. Stay tuned!

Lordjin, first off - awesome buds and a great journal! I very much enjoy the (regular) updates and your style of delivering them, although I have been a silent observer thus far.

I struggle to see why you need to change anything with a setup that looks pretty dialed in. I don't think you should be changing nutes or lights or anything else for that matter. I can also understand the continuous strive for improvement/perfection and maybe just a change. You probably know just as well not to change too many things at once, in fact probably not more than ONE thing at a time. Sounds like you wanna play around with different nutes AND lights in the future. I'd pick ONE and go for it, if you really feel the urge.

As far as LED lights go, I have been researching them for the last 6 months intensively and have something of my own going on as well with LEDs. To save you countless hours of going through all the journals (completed and not) which I have done, I will tell you - they work. You CAN replace your HID with them. You CAN achieve a higher g/W with them. You CAN have frostier and denser nugs with them. But you WILL have to dial your space in again. Light height, canopy management, veg timing, temp, humidity - expect a learning curve.

If I had to make a SINGLE recommendation for your 2x4 area, after all my research I would suggest TWO GLH Spectra 290W. A single one of these covers a 3x3 area and draws about 300W of power. Normally, it would be a bit of a stretch to replace a 1000W HPS with 600W LED and expect the same results but since in your case you run the 1000W over a 2x4 you are not using it to it's full 4x4 potential anyway. I would guess 3 runs with these lights and you are matching if not exceeding your 1000W results with a higher quality product to boot.

I'll leave you with an amusing and hopefully accurate quote I saw on another forum (from a "mentor/moderator") which made me think of your training technique:

The top shoot sends a message that says, "Get behind me and stay there." The plant obeys. Cut the top, the next two take over and deliver the same message. Bend the top over and ... something ... happens to the signal. Now the plant hears, "I've fallen and I can't get up!" Every stem is now convinced it's the boss and should be the largest bud on the plant.

 

[dsmoke1]

I struggle to see why you need to change anything with a setup that looks pretty dialed in. I don't think you should be changing nutes or lights or anything else for that matter. I can also understand the continuous strive for improvement/perfection and maybe just a change. You probably know just as well not to change too many things at once, in fact probably not more than ONE thing at a time. Sounds like you wanna play around with different nutes AND lights in the future. I'd pick ONE and go for it, if you really feel the urge.

I whole heartedly agree with you, for the most part. When I was in the military, I remember saying to people, all the time: "If it isn't broke, don't fix it". These words are true and effective in the grand scheme of things. I'm simply working my way in to the abstract here. Nutrients are a tricky thing to discuss, so let's start with a general statement.

From the outside, one may be inclined to say that there is no difference between nutrient systems, as anyone can do extremely well or extremely bad with any nutrient line. This has been seen time and time before. This post has all the right ingredients to perpetuate that idea. My only argument, is that there are too many variables to consider that a measurable truth. There are way too many things that need to be controlled with each individual grow to say that nutrients really won't do anything to your final crop, and that switching them won't either. It really takes a desire to maximize your potential when talking about making changes to a system that is seemingly perfect already. Lordjin may not need to switch nutrient lines, but if I was some sort of grow-observer with a giant check-list of areas needing improvement, that may be one I would encourage him to investigate. The Lucas Formula has been around for a long time, and has done amazing things since then. For the small time, in-house grower, with one light, all the accoutrement, bells and whistles, I would say that there is definitely room to step up from the Lucas Formula food system.

But, having said that. No one is saying anyone needs to step anything up. Lordjin's grow looks awesome, and there is no doubt in my mind that he will be smiling from ear to ear when he finally gets to enjoy what is looking to be some ridiculously awesome weed. I do see a lot of potential though. There's a difference between head-stash growers and commercial growers. I fall way, way, short of commercial. This gives me much more time to really, really perfect things. I could find the cheapest thing out and make it work, but that's what people do when they're growing 500 plants. That's great and all for growing product you want sell, because it really doesn't make a huge difference there. But when you're growing product that you do not want to sell, it makes a VERY big difference. My two cents. Sorry for ranting, a bit stoned, this early, I know, I know....

 

[lordjin]

If you do buy Advanced Nutrients, I would personally recommend getting it either from the company itself or from one of their authorized sellers. I got burned when I bought from a seller on Amazon.com that had the cheapest price. At least one of the bottles that I got from that seller had some bogus shit in it, not the Sensi-Grow that I paid for. And AN's guarantee only applies if you buy their product from an authorized dealer.

I'll be sure to keep that in mind. My hydro shop is pretty legit and they carry Advanced's full line.

 

[lordjin]

Lordjin, first off - awesome buds and a great journal! I very much enjoy the (regular) updates and your style of delivering them, although I have been a silent observer thus far.

I struggle to see why you need to change anything with a setup that looks pretty dialed in. I don't think you should be changing nutes or lights or anything else for that matter. I can also understand the continuous strive for improvement/perfection and maybe just a change. You probably know just as well not to change too many things at once, in fact probably not more than ONE thing at a time. Sounds like you wanna play around with different nutes AND lights in the future. I'd pick ONE and go for it, if you really feel the urge.

As far as LED lights go, I have been researching them for the last 6 months intensively and have something of my own going on as well with LEDs. To save you countless hours of going through all the journals (completed and not) which I have done, I will tell you - they work. You CAN replace your HID with them. You CAN achieve a higher g/W with them. You CAN have frostier and denser nugs with them. But you WILL have to dial your space in again. Light height, canopy management, veg timing, temp, humidity - expect a learning curve.

If I had to make a SINGLE recommendation for your 2x4 area, after all my research I would suggest TWO GLH Spectra 290W. A single one of these covers a 3x3 area and draws about 300W of power. Normally, it would be a bit of a stretch to replace a 1000W HPS with 600W LED and expect the same results but since in your case you run the 1000W over a 2x4 you are not using it to it's full 4x4 potential anyway. I would guess 3 runs with these lights and you are matching if not exceeding your 1000W results with a higher quality product to boot.

I'll leave you with an amusing and hopefully accurate quote I saw on another forum (from a "mentor/moderator") which made me think of your training technique:

The top shoot sends a message that says, "Get behind me and stay there." The plant obeys. Cut the top, the next two take over and deliver the same message. Bend the top over and ... something ... happens to the signal. Now the plant hears, "I've fallen and I can't get up!" Every stem is now convinced it's the boss and should be the largest bud on the plant.

Thanks for the 'sobering' input...Lol.

Well I'll say one thing, based on the tone of your suggestions, I can tell I'm not talking to a noob. Your suggestion about leaving everything as is has weight with me. Yeah, things pretty much kick ass for me the way I have it going now... I'll keep in mind the new learning curve you mention (something I need to be reminded of lest I get over-confident), and I agree it is best to take small steps when trying changes.

Thanks for watching. And it's great to finally hear from you!

 

[lordjin]

I whole heartedly agree with you, for the most part. When I was in the military, I remember saying to people, all the time: "If it isn't broke, don't fix it". These words are true and effective in the grand scheme of things. I'm simply working my way in to the abstract here. Nutrients are a tricky thing to discuss, so let's start with a general statement.

From the outside, one may be inclined to say that there is no difference between nutrient systems, as anyone can do extremely well or extremely bad with any nutrient line. This has been seen time and time before. This post has all the right ingredients to perpetuate that idea. My only argument, is that there are too many variables to consider that a measurable truth. There are way too many things that need to be controlled with each individual grow to say that nutrients really won't do anything to your final crop, and that switching them won't either. It really takes a desire to maximize your potential when talking about making changes to a system that is seemingly perfect already. Lordjin may not need to switch nutrient lines, but if I was some sort of grow-observer with a giant check-list of areas needing improvement, that may be one I would encourage him to investigate. The Lucas Formula has been around for a long time, and has done amazing things since then. For the small time, in-house grower, with one light, all the accoutrement, bells and whistles, I would say that there is definitely room to step up from the Lucas Formula food system.

But, having said that. No one is saying anyone needs to step anything up. Lordjin's grow looks awesome, and there is no doubt in my mind that he will be smiling from ear to ear when he finally gets to enjoy what is looking to be some ridiculously awesome weed. I do see a lot of potential though. There's a difference between head-stash growers and commercial growers. I fall way, way, short of commercial. This gives me much more time to really, really perfect things. I could find the cheapest thing out and make it work, but that's what people do when they're growing 500 plants. That's great and all for growing product you want sell, because it really doesn't make a huge difference there. But when you're growing product that you do not want to sell, it makes a VERY big difference. My two cents. Sorry for ranting, a bit stoned, this early, I know, I know....

"Sorry for ranting, a bit stoned, this early, I know, I know"
Lol. I'm the same way.

Great comment, bro. You coined my grow situation perfectly. I'll ease my way to a new nute (Advanced) and see where that takes me. I've never tried Advanced, so I do have more experience to gain. We learn something new with each grow, and that experience never goes anywhere. I love that.

Yeah, each grow and each grower is different. I think it's a matter of one's ability to maximize what a given nute brand has to offer in a given situation... And that's where the learning through observation comes in.

I wanna get a 5x5 tent and expand my situation. I'm thinking of eventually changing the box I'm using right now to a mother house. With what I've learned through Hydro application, I can make a clone factory fairly easily.

Also, intrigued by the information in your PM. I'm gonna check it out later tonight. Thanks much, bro.

 

[lordjin]

I'd say this is quite serious already! I can't wait to see what you consider serious! also interested in what results come with led I have heard mixed reports, Definetly wont be as effective as a 1000w but led has come a long way in a short time. I think the spectrum isnt as full. Not sure, dont know much about it lol

I'm just in love with idea of low to no heat growing. I'll keep watching others who are using them for now.

 

[medicine21]

I'm just in love with idea of low to no heat growing. I'll keep watching others who are using them for now.

Make no mistake - LEDs DO make heat. It's not as much as HPS for sure and it's not directly beaming down on the plants, but they will bump the temps a few degrees depending on wattage. When I started with 130W LED for seedlings it did feel a bit counterproductive ADDING a 1500W heater to maintain temps. But once I added a dehumidifier and a CO2 burner, I needed cooling again.

 

[ottermunky]

the heat thing is a bastard whatever you do really!

 

[lordjin]

Make no mistake - LEDs DO make heat. It's not as much as HPS for sure and it's not directly beaming down on the plants, but they will bump the temps a few degrees depending on wattage. When I started with 130W LED for seedlings it did feel a bit counterproductive ADDING a 1500W heater to maintain temps. But once I added a dehumidifier and a CO2 burner, I needed cooling again.

Having worked with HID's and the massive heat exchange that comes with them, I think I would welcome the amount of heat the LED's produce by comparision. When I expand to a six plant tent, I will be using a 50lb tank and regulator system as opposed to the burner kind of CO2 dispersal.

For my future tent project, I plant to use 2 x 1000w in a 5x5 grow area with six plants in separate buckets. I'm really leaning towards sticking with HID, but am still an open book on LED's. I just need to see that one grow that convinces me fully.

 

[lordjin]

the heat thing is a bastard whatever you do really!

I hear you. But when it comes to heat, I'm used to dealing with that bastard's evil cousin, who is three times the bastard.

 

[dirk d]

from what my buddies tell me who have used LED lights they say its good for veg not for flower. and even in veg they use it as supplemental lighting. I think LED's are still a couple years away and by then who know how much farther HID lights will go.

 

[GerryJarcia]

Check the RIU forums... https://www.rollitup.org/attachments/grow-journals/1581400d1304381380-9-purple-kush-under-360-dunitgrowpk_magnumledmay2-011.jpg

https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/416863-9-purple-kush-under-360-a.html