The 12-12 From Seed Thread

[jdizzle22]

Im hydro so Azos and Mykos maybe of no use to myself but thx for the info anyway. Ive looked into root stimilants before i went 12/12 from seed but tbh developing a healthy root mass in hydro is rapid so never bothered. The bigger the roots the bigger the plants and as most of us grow in cabs that may not be good idea, ive been thinking tho of adding co2 to 12/12 from seed plants and see what happens.

Yeah I imagine they don't work in hydro (are any soil microbes known to work in hydro?) or they would even help that much (since roots grow so much better/easier in hydro compared to soil). The company that makes them also makes something called CalCarb that is supposed to give you the goody levels of Co2 without the work (by putting some kinda calcium Co2 foam on the stomata). I'm skeptical of it myself, although I just tried it with a regular hair sprayer and I may need something more professional to get it to spray/foam properly. You may want to check it out, because if it does work then its definitely the easiest way to add Co2 (although you may not be able to do it more than once every couple weeks as they recommend because it also supplies calcium).

going off of what Richard just said, is there truth to feminized seeds getting bigger in 12/12 from seed than regulars? I'd be happy if that were true!

PSo any of you guys have an idea of how much space any particular Nirvana strains take up in 12/12 from seed? I might try some when I switch this round to flower mode (if there is room after all this LST haha)

 

[jimmygreenfingers]

Del was saying something about regs being better than the fems or other way around for something or other lol cant remember. Im a bit skepical also of all these enhancment products i do just fine with nutes/booster but CO2 is known to help so might give it a bash as ive got all the gear and just need a tank, so many ideas tho might have to wait.

 

[jimmygreenfingers]

man.....i can look through this thread at the bud pics every day, lol. i think im gonna order some big bomb and thc bomb next. u say the fems get bigger than the regs? also, has anyone done any experimenting with topping 12-12's, or do they not have enough time to do any good? thanks for the info guys

Got myself some thcbomb beans, good strain. Dunno about topping 12/12 give it a go man and report back lol

 

[del66666]

ello jimmy,cant remember , was it fem bombs you got?............another bubblebomb, hooked the top over for a week or 2 to even up the level of the buds......

 

[del66666]

man.....i can look through this thread at the bud pics every day, lol. i think im gonna order some big bomb and thc bomb next. u say the fems get bigger than the regs? also, has anyone done any experimenting with topping 12-12's, or do they not have enough time to do any good? thanks for the info guys

i found that the fem thc bomb had a bigger main cola with not much side branching, flowered young and quickly, dense bud , reasonable smoke..........reg bomb seemed more sativa type buds, long cola, side branches with big buds on, more resiny, cant remember the stone, lovely colours...........ive topped 2 this time just to see...

 

[jimmygreenfingers]

ello jimmy,cant remember , was it fem bombs you got?............another bubblebomb, hooked the top over for a week or 2 to even up the level of the buds......

You normally do that with ya bubblebombs or sometimes just let them go or would she get too big for the cab if ya let her. Shes looking real healthy mate and yes got fem bombs.

 

[jimmygreenfingers]

i found that the fem thc bomb had a bigger main cola with not much side branching, flowered young and quickly, dense bud , reasonable smoke..........reg bomb seemed more sativa type buds, long cola, side branches with big buds on, more resiny, cant remember the stone, lovely colours...........ive topped 2 this time just to see...

Sounds good to me, one fat cola little to no branching just what im after

 

[del66666]

You normally do that with ya bubblebombs or sometimes just let them go or would she get too big for the cab if ya let her. Shes looking real healthy mate and yes got fem bombs.

the last 3 ive left to go sraight up but i prefer to tie and level those buds , gains a bit of extra weight that way.......

 

[jimmygreenfingers]

how tall on average they get del those BB, whats the tallest 12/12 strain ya done ive got a limit of about 31 inches from totp in my main cab do the grapefruits exceed this

 

[del66666]

how tall on average they get del those BB, whats the tallest 12/12 strain ya done ive got a limit of about 31 inches from totp in my main cab do the grapefruits exceed this

ive probably had 2 that just went stupid so i cut them down, 1 was a haze............tallest grapefruit was 32 inches and my tallest bb is prob around 32 but i will measure and tell you tomorrow, i just tie the top over if i can be botherd and problem solved, i blame my self if they get to tall, its cause i try and do to many and they dont get the best treatment.

 

[jimmygreenfingers]

Yeah ive over done it on the nutes i think on a few, ive put it down to this or they were to close to the lamp not sure doesnt really add up so ive started some up in rockwool to compare them to the seedlings in coco, i will get to the bottom of this lol. Shes a big girl that BB, how many of them would ya fit in your cab

 

[del66666]

Yeah ive over done it on the nutes i think on a few, ive put it down to this or they were to close to the lamp not sure doesnt really add up so ive started some up in rockwool to compare them to the seedlings in coco, i will get to the bottom of this lol. Shes a big girl that BB, how many of them would ya fit in your cab

need to use cfls as long as poss......reckon i could only get 6 in that size ...could get more but the plants would be getting squashed and branches broken.....but 6 of those would do me......could probably pull 3 + each ..18 - 20 oz .

 

[jimmygreenfingers]

Yeah stuck them back under cfl few days ago think hps was a bit too close, aint burnt or nowt few just gone light green/yellow all over looks like n def but considering their only seedlings shouldnt be the case, we shall see. 18/20 oz i like the sound of that lol, you popped any of thos beans ya just got yet or too many on the go for now.

 

[richard rahl]

..ive topped 2 this time just to see...

how far along are you with the ones you topped? i just planted 2 lsd beans and i was thinking about topping them to see what i could do. the method i was thinking about was a method i read on here about a way to top it and get 4 main colas. i think that would b awesome with one of your bubble bombs, lol, but the method called for growing like 6 sets of leaves and topping back to like 2 sets. i figure with 12-12 it would be too late by then, but im a noob and dont know, so im askin i guess if that wouldnt work , and you had an extra box, you could veg long enuf to top per instructions and then flip. but i am curious as to how old yours are and how you topped them and what not........thanks

 

[del66666]

how far along are you with the ones you topped? i just planted 2 lsd beans and i was thinking about topping them to see what i could do. the method i was thinking about was a method i read on here about a way to top it and get 4 main colas. i think that would b awesome with one of your bubble bombs, lol, but the method called for growing like 6 sets of leaves and topping back to like 2 sets. i figure with 12-12 it would be too late by then, but im a noob and dont know, so im askin i guess if that wouldnt work , and you had an extra box, you could veg long enuf to top per instructions and then flip. but i am curious as to how old yours are and how you topped them and what not........thanks

the ones ive topped are in flower, will post pics tonight, dont rate it so far...........spect topping is better if going to veg but ive yet to decide if it actually improves weight, if you tie the top down the other buds will get big anyway...i mean will the new fake colas weigh more than the real cola?.......but never tried it so open to the theory that it might.

 

[Saerimmner]

the ones ive topped are in flower, will post pics tonight, dont rate it so far...........spect topping is better if going to veg but ive yet to decide if it actually improves weight, if you tie the top down the other buds will get big anyway...i mean will the new fake colas weigh more than the real cola?.......but never tried it so open to the theory that it might.

as far as i understad it topping works well if you give the plants a week or 2 vegging after youve topped it, if ya dont/cant then theres not a lot of point but hey i may be wrong lol

 

[jimmygreenfingers]

You can top as late as two weeks into the flip (strain dependant) if a plants had a veg period but from seed it might be a different story, never done it 12/12 so be interested to see how that goes lads.

 

[jimmygreenfingers]

few pics of where im at atm, in the coco the bigger ones are grapefruits then theres white widow skunk, brainstorm the same strains are also in rockwool. Ive included a usless pic of my nute cupboard after a good clear out lol,i musta chucked a load of gear out this morning some of it was well past its use by date.

 

[jimmygreenfingers]

COCO
I get the compressed bales of this stuff because its a 3rd of the price as canna and because its very easy to store being that it is compressed. But because it is the price it is then you have to do some work on it IMO. I ran into a few probs last week with a few seedlings and wonder if it was because the coco wasnt washed properly, as i need to repot a few girls up tomorrow i thought id document what im doing now to prepare this type of coco.
This is the coco after it has been rehydrated
I put what i need in a bucket
Fill it up with water and add some h2o2 to kill of any nastys
Let it soak for an hour
I then scoop up out the bucket and tip it into a sieve

 

[jimmygreenfingers]

Its the rinsed in warm water, sqaushed in my hands and put onto a tray to dry
This is what's left, this was only a little bit of coco and there alot of sand here
Now im not sure how this effects the PH or the nutes used as i havnt been using coco long enough but i doubt it does you any favours.
heres some washed and dried and its really good after its bath, it doesnt take long too do and worth it imo, im also gonna add some trichoderma from canna when im about to pot up.