stonedmetalhead1
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That's not really saying much and is not what this discussion is about. This thread is solely about Dr. Greenthumb trying to pass off a hybrid as pure G13.
Dr Greenthumbs G13
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Dr Gruber
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You sure its not about Acapulco Gold or EX Cheese?
Why not go ask your pal Double D. He was the one who claimed he had kept G13 alive all these years. Doc didn't hybridize it he S1'd it. If anyone mislead the community it was double D. Another thing. If there's no pure G13 then how can there be an Airborne "Cut" and a Pacific "Cut", now that is dishonest by your own standard
wyteberrywidow
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sorry buddy but you are way off on this statement....you need to do research buddy becausde iit shows you do not know what the hell you talking about!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
wyteberrywidow
Global
You disrgard what was psted first huh...You have no proof you even know what you are growing...But yet you CLAIM you know dr gt has what he says he has...DID YOU EVER HAD THE CLONE ONLY STRAINS?
IF SO WHERE IS YOUR PROOF?
consumer reports
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Damn this thread has legs and here I am posting again,lol.
FYI Sandy Weinstien got the G13 from a member of the "Holy Dog Ranch" a hippie commune in New Mexico according to Rob Clark. Uof Miss was a total bullshit story to sell the cuts for a grip of cash.
Brick Top
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I have said it before, if the strain is quality and people are happy, that part of it is GREAT as far as I am concerned. All I dislike is the obvious misrepresentation involved. It's bound to be a hybrid. Maybe Doc was fooled or convinced otherwise and believed, and still believes it is pure. If that is the case then it would be a case of unintentional misrepresentation and then Dr. would not be guilty as I have said he is.
But there is no way his G13 is; "pure G13" as he has advertised it as being and even if unintentionally misrepresenting it he is still pricing it like it is real and people will be purchasing it believing it is real, and while then not a case of intentional fraud, it will still be a shame.
So maybe it is a guiltless crime. People will overpay, Dr. will earn a profit that is unequal to what is being sold, people will not receive what they believe they will receive ... so it might be guiltless but it is not victimless.
cleverpiggy
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Damn I was just over at THsee farm and you will be banned for even mentioning Dr. Greenthumb in DD's thread. I didn't read this thread too far today so don't cuss me out, but DD's is retiring on June 1st.
Pipe Dream
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bricktop how come I can't pm u? Did you change your settings orsomething? I wanted to chat...hit me up.
stonedmetalhead1
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Why is DD my pal? I've stated 3 times in the last 2 pages that I think he doesn't have pure G13 either. Airborne's cut is an original F1 from Shanti and Nevil and is G13/NL and Pacifics cut was found to not even G13 at all and was admitted by Pacific himself.
stonedmetalhead1
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The only problem I have with that is that he has been around for a long time and I'm sure he knows the history of these strains.
SCARHOLE
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I pretty much agree, but the price he sets is prolly due to -Supply an demand, its super yield potential an the price he paid to aquire it.
Not because its Nevills or because its a "heritage strain" g13 from the early 70s / "santa bud" lol.
If he delivers plants that produce the weight an potency he describes, than I say its no fraud an worth every cent to the right grower.
I dont believe anyone has ever had the g13 from miss.
Is that reason to call all invovled liars, an cheats.
I try and treat all people (an breeders) with respect, as my parents taught me.
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Dr Gruber
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That might explain why it didnt say DD's cut or Neviles cut when it first appeared on his site at the same price.Think you just trumped that argument.
Brick Top
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I have no idea of his supply capabilities but you have to realize that if it were advertised as a hybrid, even say Neville's G13 x NL, like it likely is, the demand, while still high, would not be as high as it would be for; "pure G13" and it could not command as high of a price.
Maybe but I think what people are after are the promise of huge yields and the potential for crosses to have huge yields and that looks like it will be borne out; the plants are monsters; so sales are going to be brisk regardless. I have had many dealings with the man I just don't think Doc would deliberately misslead people. He took the Double D tag off of it because DD asked him to and it was the right thing to do. DD claimed it was from Neville and so Doc said OK, it's not yours, you got it from Neville so it's Neville's and re-labeled it as such. It was DD who claimed it was the original G13 and that he held it all those years. I think what has to happen is for Double D to come out and tell us the truth. He has an account here. I have few doubts if DD comes here and tells us it is a cross, Doc will change the assignation. If that happens Bricktop we will all owe you a vote of thanks
SCARHOLE
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"if it were advertised as a hybrid, even say Neville's G13 x NL, like it likely is, the demand, while still high, would not be as high as it would be for; "pure G13" and it could not command as high of a price. "
Hmmm.
True
But it would be bad buisness to tell the public that all g13 seeds that came from Neville are probaly a cross, an that G13 probaly never existed.
Especialy if your selling one of Nevels cuts of it.
I believe hes just sayn its one of Nevils Pure G13 Hybrids when he says its pure?
Hmmm.
True
But it would be bad buisness to tell the public that all g13 seeds that came from Neville are probaly a cross, an that G13 probaly never existed.
Especialy if your selling one of Nevels cuts of it.
I believe hes just sayn its one of Nevils Pure G13 Hybrids when he says its pure?
Brick Top
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One would naturally believe that too be likely but do you really believe that ever breeder knows precisely what everyone else, professional breeder or not, always has in their stable and if for sure what they know is there is exactly as they believe it to be or if someone knew they were likely to or going to lose a plant that they made a hybrid first?
That is all part of the sort of thing I was saying before this turned into the Hatfields versus the McCoys feud. There are so many questions about G13, right down to the actual true origin of the 'G' strain and the various different numbered plants and who actually had what and in what form at what time and how long it survived and what all was done with it by various people that I doubt there is anyone, and I mean anyone, who can with absolute certainty and complete accuracy tell the story from origin until today.
Just as a side not to all this, earlier I was researching the University of Mississippi marijuana research program to see if I could find anything out about the original G13 that might be helpful in this discussion. I ran across a video with the man who runs the research center, Mahmoud El-Sohly, director of the University of Mississippi Marijuana Project, and he seems to have a vested interest in marijuana remaining illegal.
He did speak of many possible medicinal uses, including a suppository they created but he said never had caught on because American' are not fond of suppositories, but he also spoke about how if made legal anyone could grow it and then anyone could supply research centers with as cannabis that is as high grade as they produce and there would be no need for the program and it would be shut down. He tossed in that it should not be made legal because it has been proven to be an addictive drug. Unless he only meant psychologically addictive and not physically addictive, though he did seem to at least be inferring physically addictive, he appears willing to lie to protect his position and government grant so the University of Mississippi can remain the only legal supplier of cannabis for research, both there and at other research centers.
The video showed large cardboard drums with what appeared to be large plastic bags in them filled with harvested pot that looked like it had all been put through a grinder, it was very fine, and they are kept in what looked like a somewhat small bank vault. They also showed tall cans that were filled with pre-rolled joints that would be sent for medical testing and to other research facilities.
It was fairly interesting to see some of the place, even though the video was only about 3 or 5 minutes long, but what else was interesting was while he said they grow very high grade herb, all males are removed, they receive samples from busts and some of it is very high grade, close to or equal to what they produce.
Another somewhat interesting thing he mentioned, and I suppose more or less fits with the breeders who have already created some low THC high CBD strains, and others like Shantibaba and Nevil who are also working on higher CBD strains with lower levels of THC, that to get all you need for medicinal purposes is 8% THC. The rest of the medicinal properties are found elsewhere.
Shantibaba and Nevil and Howard Marks, the CBD Team as they are calling themselves on their latest project, are working to create strains that are equal in THC and CBD, both in the same percentages. That would still leave them well over 8%, but it would increase CBD levels considerably. What they come up with might not be as medicinal in nature as most medicinal use researchers would like, but it could fit that middle of the road medicinal user who still wants a little fun with their medication.
One high CBD strain that has been created is about 6% to 7% in THC and averages 10% CBD but one test, that was verified by another lab, found 13.9% CBD. One stain is only 1.2% in THC and 9.7% in CBD. So the true medicinal breeders, plus 'The CBD Team,' are at work creating high CBD and low THC strains and leaving the Mr. Toad's Wild Ride strains to the breeders we know about.
Before long the dispensaries will likely have wider selections of high CBD low THC strains than the other way around since, medicinally speaking, it will be of much greater benefit to far more medicinal users.
wyteberrywidow
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????????????????????????????????where is your proof liar liar!
Brick Top
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That is possible too, but then that would be more of a case of intentional misrepresentation knowing it is a hybrid and not mentioning it is a hybrid and calling it; "pure G13."
By it's description and the description for Nevil's G13 x NL if I had to place a bet, that is what I would bet it is .. and calling it pure could still be a case of telling the truth, but only a half truth.
It is not uncommon for a breeder to use another breeder's work and not credit them in any way. Sometimes I suppose it could be an ego thing and when a cross is made it might be to try to protect the '11 secret herbs and spices' making it more difficult for someone else to copy.
This being an S1 I would think it had to be a case of either not wanting to share any degree of credit with Nevil, if it is his G13 x NL, or wanting people to believe it is not an S1 of a G13 cross and that it is; "pure g13."
If it is a hybrid, which is highly likely, I would prefer to think it is a case of ego, of not wanting to share any credit for the quality with Nevil, rather than believe it is a case of intentional misrepresentation. After my Acapulco Gold experience I could not say that I would put it past Dr. to misrepresent his G13, but I would hope that he learned that didn't work in the past and if he tried it with this G13 that it could bite him on his butt really bad so he wouldn't be trying it again. I would like to think the leopard did change his spots.
hornedfrog2000
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