Dr Greenthumbs G13

[bajafox]

Greenthumb claimed he got it through Ortega and the selling point is that Ortega's cut is Nevils, or DD's or Shantis right? Nevil and Shanti are saying it doesn't exist, so now that they cleared that up, WHERE did Dr. Greenthumbs come from then?

It doesn't matter who has it or how many people claim to have it, Dr. Greenthumb is a liar who's changed his story more than once, yet his followers are still blind to the obvious evidence.

The history shows that Nevil has/had the original so yes, if he says it doesn't exist anymore than I believe it.

 

[stonedmetalhead1]

Does Nevil and Shanti think they're GOD? You do realize many people other than Nevil had the same G13 cut? Who do you think Nevil got it from?

Nevil said he bought the G13 cut in Oregon for $500, so that tells me there were many growers in Oregon and God only knows where else, that had exactly what Nevil purchased.

There may have been hundreds, maybe thousands, of G13 cuts passed around back when Nevil bought it.

Bottom line, Nevil wasn't the "ONLY" guy in town with that cut, LMFAO!!!!!!!!!

Same with Northern Lights, Nevil got it from SOMEONE ELSE!!!!

What made Nevil famous is he traveled the world and got seed and clones from "OTHER" people, then he bred his strains.

You're missing the point and confusing the facts. Nevil said he got it from Sandy Weinstien and he also said Sandy didn't give it to anyone else before he passed. Also Greenthumb is claiming he got the cut from someone claiming to have gotten it from Nevil so it doesn't even matter if anyone else did have it because the story is that it came from a source that said it no longer exists.

 

[Brick Top]

Does Nevil and Shanti think they're GOD? You do realize many people other than Nevil had the same G13 cut? Who do you think Nevil got it from?

Nevil said he bought the G13 cut in Oregon for $500, so that tells me there were many growers in Oregon and God only knows where else, that had exactly what Nevil purchased.

There may have been hundreds, maybe thousands, of G13 cuts passed around back when Nevil bought it.

Bottom line, Nevil wasn't the "ONLY" guy in town with that cut, LMFAO!!!!!!!!!

Same with Northern Lights, Nevil got it from SOMEONE ELSE!!!!

What made Nevil famous is he traveled the world and got seed and clones from "OTHER" people, then he bred his strains.

The reason it is so unlikely to still exist is not that Nevil was the only person or one of only just a few people to ever possess the strain but instead because it was known to lose vigor and die. I would have to go through a long thread similar to this on MNS forum to find the message from Shantibaba again but he mentioned another breeder or two who got a cut of G13 from Nevil, and theirs, just like Nev's, lost vigor and died over time. I could of course be wrong but I find it almost impossible to believe that if professional breeders were unable to keep the strain alive until today that anyone else did.

Claims have been made that the strain did not just lose vigor and die and instead it was a virus, a plant disease, but since it hit multiple plants in multiple different locations it would either had to have come with the original cutting or caught the virus/disease not all that long after and then been passed with each cutting shared or sold because the odds would make it a virtual impossibility that different plants in different locations would all develop the same virus/disease and die from it.

G13, as in the true pure G13, to growers is like Santa Claus is to a kid whose reached the age where they find it really hard to believe Santa Claus exists but they want him to exist so much that for one more year they try to fool themselves into believing and act as if they do believe, even though deep inside they know he doesn't.

Growers/tokers want to believe G13 still exists. They want to grow and smoke 'the legend' so when someone claims to have "pure G13" like the kid and Santa Claus they do their best to make believe that they believe it is real only because they so desperately want it to be real and to be able to say 'I have it, I'm growing it, I'm smoking the legend!'

Accept the truth kids .... Santa G13 does not exist.

 

[OGMan]

Greenthumb claimed he got it through Ortega and the selling point is that Ortega's cut is Nevils, or DD's or Shantis right? Nevil and Shanti are saying it doesn't exist, so now that they cleared that up, WHERE did Dr. Greenthumbs come from then?

It doesn't matter who has it or how many people claim to have it, Dr. Greenthumb is a liar who's changed his story more than once, yet his followers are still blind to the obvious evidence.

The history shows that Nevil has/had the original so yes, if he says it doesn't exist anymore than I believe it.

Actually Greenthumb said he got it from Double D and has never said otherwise to my knowledge, so if you want to piss on someone get your lips off double D's ass and piss on Double D for lying about it IF it's a lie .

 

[stonedmetalhead1]

Actually Greenthumb said he got it from Double D and has never said otherwise to my knowledge, so if you want to piss on someone get your lips off double D's ass and piss on Double D for lying about it IF it's a lie .

No one is kissing DD's ass. You're just trying to take the attention off of the issue. Whether or not he got it from DD, Dogless, or anyone else it's not pure G13 so either way he's lying. If he represented as his version of G13 then there probably wouldn't be a problem because F1 G13 hybrids are known to exist but he's not, he's trying to pass it off as Nevil's original breeding parent which it is definitely not.

 

[fletchman]

You're missing the point and confusing the facts. Nevil said he got it from Sandy Weinstien and he also said Sandy didn't give it to anyone else before he passed. Also Greenthumb is claiming he got the cut from someone claiming to have gotten it from Nevil so it doesn't even matter if anyone else did have it because the story is that it came from a source that said it no longer exists.

Show us this proof,

Because I seen a post from Nevil saying he bought it in Oregon for $500, and I dont recall anything that you just said.

 

[OGMan]

No one is kissing DD's ass. You're just trying to take the attention off of the issue. Whether or not he got it from DD, Dogless, or anyone else it's not pure G13 so either way he's lying.

Then go ask Double D if it's G13 or not punk. Doc made seeds from what Double D claimed was pure G13. If he was mislead, he was mislead, that don't make him a liar, that makes Double D a liar and we ALL know what a scumbag Double D is kiss-ass

 

[stonedmetalhead1]

Then go ask Double D if it's G13 or not punk. Doc made seeds from what Double D claimed was pure G13. If he was mislead, he was mislead, that don't make him a liar, that makes Double D a liar kiss-ass

I know it's not G13 and so does Dr. Greenthumb. That's what makes his marketing strategy so unethical. I love how the statement from Dogless isn't working out so you're trying to revert back to the DD theory which has already been disproved and wouldn't change the fact that it's not Pure G13 because DD's isn't pure G13 either.

 

[fletchman]

The reason it is so unlikely to still exist is not that Nevil was the only person or one of only just a few people to ever possess the strain but instead because it was known to lose vigor and die. I would have to go through a long thread similar to this on MNS forum to find the message from Shantibaba again but he mentioned another breeder or two who got a cut of G13 from Nevil, and theirs, just like Nev's, lost vigor and died over time. I could of course be wrong but I find it almost impossible to believe that if professional breeders were unable to keep the strain alive until today that anyone else did.

Claims have been made that the strain did not just lose vigor and die and instead it was a virus, a plant disease, but since it hit multiple plants in multiple different locations it would either had to have come with the original cutting or caught the virus/disease not all that long after and then been passed with each cutting shared or sold because the odds would make it a virtual impossibility that different plants in different locations would all develop the same virus/disease and die from it.

G13, as in the true pure G13, to growers is like Santa Claus is to a kid whose reached the age where they find it really hard to believe Santa Claus exists but they want him to exist so much that for one more year they try to fool themselves into believing and act as if they do believe, even though deep inside they know he doesn't.

Growers/tokers want to believe G13 still exists. They want to grow and smoke 'the legend' so when someone claims to have "pure G13" like the kid and Santa Claus they do their best to make believe that they believe it is real only because they so desperately want it to be real and to be able to say 'I have it, I'm growing it, I'm smoking the legend!'

Accept the truth kids .... Santa G13 does not exist.

Well DoubleD is saying he has kept Nevil's G13 cut alive since 1986, and DoubleD was a newbie grower back then, and should give much credit to Heath Robinson and others for being the grower he is today.

So if DD can keep a plant alive for 25 years, there are others that could too.

Who knows what is out there is some old stoner hippies basement? Some of the best growers in the world probably dont even have internet

 

[stonedmetalhead1]

Well DoubleD is saying he has kept Nevil's G13 cut alive since 1986, and DoubleD was a newbie grower back then, and should give much credit to Heath Robinson and others for being the grower he is today.

So if DD can keep a plant alive for 25 years, there are others that could too.

Who knows what is out there is some old stoner hippies basement? Some of the best growers in the world probably dont even have internet

lol, you're just repeating things that have been covered. Shanit and Nevil's cut lost vigor and died. Yes a plant can be maintained for a long time but if a plant lost vigor over 20 years ago it means it already had some age on it. This is so easily dis-proven and yet you all still try and stand up for Dr. Grteenthumb and his shady business tactics.

 

[fletchman]

lol, you're just repeating things that have been covered. Shanit and Nevil's cut lost vigor and died. Yes a plant can be maintained for a long time but if a plant lost vigor over 20 years ago it means it already had some age on it. This is so easily dis-proven and yet you all still try and stand up for Dr. Grteenthumb and his shady business tactics.

It seems I would be standing up for DD not Doc?

So DD can keep the vigor in a plant that Nevil gave him 25 years ago, and Shanti fucked it up, Hmmmm? Maybe Mr. Nice should hire DoubleD to help Shanti out?

 

[stonedmetalhead1]

It seems I would be standing up for DD not Doc?

So DD can keep the vigor in a plant that Nevil gave him 25 years ago, and Shanti fucked it up, Hmmmm? Maybe Mr. Nice should hire DoubleD to help Shanti out?

Maybe DD is just as full of it as Dr. Greenthumb.

 

[fletchman]

Maybe DD is just as full of it as Dr. Greenthumb.

Maybe? Maybe all of them smoked way the fuck to much weed over the years and they cant remember shit, and are delusional?

 

[OGMan]

lol, you're just repeating things that have been covered. Shanit and Nevil's cut lost vigor and died. Yes a plant can be maintained for a long time but if a plant lost vigor over 20 years ago it means it already had some age on it. This is so easily dis-proven and yet you all still try and stand up for Dr. Grteenthumb and his shady business tactics.

There have plenty of people come on here and say how much they liked Greenthumb's gear, and he's been in business since you were shittin' yellow, so he's not shady IMO. Now your old buddy Double D is a different story

 

[stonedmetalhead1]

There have plenty of people come on here and say how much they liked Greenthumb's gear, and he's been in business since you were shittin' yellow, so he's not shady IMO. Now your old buddy Double D is a different story

He's selling a strain he knows isn't G13 and is trying to pass it off as if it is G13. That's pretty shady in my book. This wasn't ever a question of if people like his stuff or not, there are many people who aren't privy to certain genetics and wouldn't know any better. This is about pure misrepresentation and fraud. Plain and simple no matter how he wants to put it or how confusing he wants to make his explanation, he doesn't have pure G13.

 

[fletchman]

Im thinkin DoubleD owes BrickTop and Stonedmentalcase a boatload of free seed, they deserve it for the work they been puttin in.

"Anti-Dr.Greenthumb Spammers Incorporated" Im just wonderin who the CEO should be

 

[stonedmetalhead1]

I've got more genetics than I'll ever need and I know there accurate lineage. I hope both of them get busted out for being frauds.

 

[Brick Top]

Well DoubleD is saying he has kept Nevil's G13 cut alive since 1986, and DoubleD was a newbie grower back then, and should give much credit to Heath Robinson and others for being the grower he is today.

So if DD can keep a plant alive for 25 years, there are others that could too.

Who knows what is out there is some old stoner hippies basement? Some of the best growers in the world probably dont even have internet

The key words in what you wrote were; "is saying." I am not saying DoubleD is lying, but you do realize that anyone can say anything. Given that professional breeders were unable to keep the plant alive because, according to Shantibaba and Nevil, the strain lost vigor, it would be a heck of a feat for a, as you called him; "a newbie grower" to manage to keep the same cutting alive when everyone else's was dying and to continue to do so for 25 years.

And regardless of if he did or didn't, what Dr. Greenthumb allegedly has did not come from DoubleD, at least not according to DoubleD and Dr. Greenthumb and Jim Ortega.

Hello my Brothers,

I am here to back a real bro for not disclosing me as his source in obtaining his G13 strain. It is a great pleasure knowing this person for being true to his word.

Dr. Greenthumb has been taking alot of crap for the nickname D/D that I labled some clones that I sold him. It has caused a shit storm at a couple of forums.

I owe Dr. Greenthumb a huge apology for the stress he is probably going thru.

I am apologizing to Dr. Greenthumb here since I have quite a few friends here that know a little about my history growing mj. As most of you who know me can vouch that I have had the G13 strain since the mid 80's. Nevil can also verify that.

And also that I had sold the strain for $25g's to a "canadian breeder" a while back. Btw, the 25g's were distributed to our group who had previously agreed to keep the strain locked down. Had the economy not gone to shit it would have never been sold.

Dr. Greenthumb bought the strain and not just the clone. He decided to make it available to the public in pure form and is basically selling the strain at around 1% of what he paid for it, which is quite a deal.

I would also like to extend my apology to Double D a moderator at another forum for stress he must have for the confusion about my labeling methods.

I also want all my bro's who have sent me pm's that I am answering each and everyone within the next couple of days. The Skunk that you all are after will be available as soon as Nevil decides what he wants to do with the strain as I am leaving it up to him.

Take care my brothers!
Jim

So that means Jim Ortega would also have had to have managed to keep alive a strain that lost vigor and died ages back, according to Shantibaba and Nevil.

He said that Nevil could vouch for him having the strain since the mid 80's. Well if it was still in it's pure form and if it was as good as it allegedly was, and Nev and Shanti knew someone who had vigorous plants that healthy cuttings could be gotten from that they would not have managed to find some way to convince Jim to sell them cuttings or give them cuttings or trade some cuttings or something? If it was real and true and pure don't you think that Nev and Shanti would have wanted to add it back into their breeding stables and found a way to do it if they knew someone who had it?

The dots of the various stories and claims and what people are; "saying" just do not connect and create a picture. It only creates scribbling and nothing that is at all clear. There are just too many versions of what people are; "saying" and some are evolving as time passes. Two and two are simply not adding up to four.

 

[Brick Top]

There have plenty of people come on here and say how much they liked Greenthumb's gear,

Dr. Greenthumb's bound to have some gear people loved. Heck, some people even love some Green House Seeds strains. But the topic is not other Dr. Greenthumb gear and if it is then you have to factor in his selling fake Acapulco Gold seeds in the past, and likely his whole heritage line were fakes. That would explain it not lasting long, because people like me got burned and knew they were fakes and he was getting bad reviews written by people, who like me, knew the real deal and knew what they were sold was not the real deal.

If you want to attempt to rely on his other strains to say anything about his current fake G13 you have to use all the strains he has had, and that means including the ones that let people down, that disappointed them, the ones that were fakes, and not just the ones you say plenty of people liked or like.

This isn't Burger King, you can't just have it your way. You cannot only point to the good strains, which I am not denying he has had some of, without also pointing to the bad strains, which I can speak from personal experience and say he has had and that the grow/smoke reports I posted said he had.

 

[fletchman]

The key words in what you wrote were; "is saying." I am not saying DoubleD is lying, but you do realize that anyone can say anything. Given that professional breeders were unable to keep the plant alive because, according to Shantibaba and Nevil, the strain lost vigor, it would be a heck of a feat for a, as you called him; "a newbie grower" to manage to keep the same cutting alive when everyone else's was dying and to continue to do so for 25 years.

And regardless of if he did or didn't, what Dr. Greenthumb allegedly has did not come from DoubleD, at least not according to DoubleD and Dr. Greenthumb and Jim Ortega.



So that means Jim Ortega would also have had to have managed to keep alive a strain that lost vigor and died ages back, according to Shantibaba and Nevil.

He said that Nevil could vouch for him having the strain since the mid 80's. Well if it was still in it's pure form and if it was as good as it allegedly was, and Nev and Shanti knew someone who had vigorous plants that healthy cuttings could be gotten from that they would not have managed to find some way to convince Jim to sell them cuttings or give them cuttings or trade some cuttings or something? If it was real and true and pure don't you think that Nev and Shanti would have wanted to add it back into their breeding stables and found a way to do it if they knew someone who had it?

The dots of the various stories and claims and what people are; "saying" just do not connect and create a picture. It only creates scribbling and nothing that is at all clear. There are just too many versions of what people are; "saying" and some are evolving as time passes. Two and two are simply not adding up to four.

I agree, nothing adds up on this G13 mystery, we may never know the real truth.


Im happy with the "G13" and Endless Sky seed I purchased from Doc, great germ rate, and excellent vigor. I can see myself buying more of his gear in the future.

And Im saying that as a happy "Paying" customer, not a freebie test grower.