Dr Greenthumbs G13

[Brick Top]

Originally Posted by SCARHOLE
Dude I been sayn that forever.
The ony other way There could be more pure G13 would be.
If they mixed G13xhp x G13xHaze together enuff to get a " G13-99"

That's the only thing that anyone had been arguing is that it wasn't pure g13 or Nevil's original breeding parent.

Exactly ... that is ALL that I have been arguing all along, that; "it wasn't pure g13 or Nevil's original breeding parent."

The description of Dr. Greenthumb's G13 fits the G13 x NL description almost perfectly. I would not begin to argue that it could not be or is not G13 x NL, only that it is not; "pure G13 or Nevil's original breeding parent" or a cutting from it.

Plant shape/growth pattern, yield, fruity flavor ... it's all there just like G13 x NL.

 

[WoodyHaze]

well it was stated here that the ex cheese had 'double serrated' leaves . soooooooo, doc's ex cheeses has double serrated leaves. hm, good enough 4 me

 

[Brick Top]

well it was stated here that the ex cheese had 'double serrated' leaves . soooooooo, doc's ex cheeses has double serrated leaves. hm, good enough 4 me

Did you bother to read message # 824? It only lists a handful of strains with leaves with serrated edges. It is not such an uncommon thing that it is proof positive of anything. I would say it does say enough to say it is fairly likely it is as claimed to be, but I would not go so far as to say it is clear and sound enough proof that it wipes away all possible doubt.

But what the heck .. if he has a strain with double serrated edges, regardless of how many other strains have the same, if it's good enough for you ... that is all that matters ...... to you.

 

[stonedmetalhead1]

well it was stated here that the ex cheese had 'double serrated' leaves . soooooooo, doc's ex cheeses has double serrated leaves. hm, good enough 4 me

lol. That's like saying "the plants green, good enough for me".

 

[fletchman]

Exactly ... that is ALL that I have been arguing all along, that; "it wasn't pure g13 or Nevil's original breeding parent."

The description of Dr. Greenthumb's G13 fits the G13 x NL description almost perfectly. I would not begin to argue that it could not be or is not G13 x NL, only that it is not; "pure G13 or Nevil's original breeding parent" or a cutting from it.

Plant shape/growth pattern, yield, fruity flavor ... it's all there just like G13 x NL.

So Brick, are you saying that DoubleD is a liar and never received Nevil's pure G13 cut? How bout Jim Ortega? Cause It wont be long and DD will be selling S1's of his "G13". Are you gonna give him the same treatment you're giving Doc?

DD's plants are BIG&Fruity

 

[stonedmetalhead1]

DD's plants are BIG&Fruity

And no one believes his is pure G13 either.

 

[fletchman]

And no one believes his is pure G13 either.

Except for him

 

[SCARHOLE]

Ive always thought all the liberation of the G13 from Miss. was bullshit.

But Shanti/ Neville know there bud, what ever they took back to Amsterdam an breed with was a special plant regardless of name or proof.

I feel the same with Dr Greenthumb an DDs G13, they know bud an what ever its heritage it looks insane.
And I believe booth have a good chane of being real G13s from Neville, but they were crosses.

But Drgt has to mean his "pure G13" is one of nevills pure G13s just not crossed with his gear like it had only been available previously.
Thats why he calls it Nevels cut an called it cut DDs (tell DD found out lol).



Folks I learned along time ago, be nice to the oldtimers especialy at work, cause if your not they wont teach you shit. An you get to learn it all the hard way.

 

[stonedmetalhead1]

Ive always thought all the liberation of the G13 from Miss. was bullshit.

Agreed and the plant we are talking about is the plant that Nevil bread with known as G13 and is where G13 gained it's fame regardless of the story behind it.

I feel the same with Dr Greenthumb an DDs G13, they know bud an what ever its heritage it look insane.

So are you in agreement that is not Nevil's original breeding stock/pure g13? That is the only argument I had which was Greenthumb was misrepresenting what the strain actually was.

 

[WoodyHaze]

Did you bother to read message # 824? It only lists a handful of strains with leaves with serrated edges. It is not such an uncommon thing that it is proof positive of anything. I would say it does say enough to say it is fairly likely it is as claimed to be, but I would not go so far as to say it is clear and sound enough proof that it wipes away all possible doubt.

But what the heck .. if he has a strain with double serrated edges, regardless of how many other strains have the same, if it's good enough for you ... that is all that matters ...... to you.

did you read tip top tokers post about ex cheese having double serrated leaves? and that was 'his' way of knowing if it was ex cheese or not? well now you posted the pics, you tell me if it has 'double serrated 'leaves or not. hmmmmmmm? and supposedly, tip top toker has grown ex cheese, but you are the expert, you tell me how ex cheese should look. lmao...........i guess you want scratch and sniff pictures?

 

[Brick Top]

Originally Posted by Brick Top


Exactly ... that is ALL that I have been arguing all along, that; "it wasn't pure g13 or Nevil's original breeding parent."

The description of Dr. Greenthumb's G13 fits the G13 x NL description almost perfectly. I would not begin to argue that it could not be or is not G13 x NL, only that it is not; "pure G13 or Nevil's original breeding parent" or a cutting from it.

Plant shape/growth pattern, yield, fruity flavor ... it's all there just like G13 x NL.

So Brick, are you saying that DoubleD is a liar and never received Nevil's pure G13 cut? How bout Jim Ortega? Cause It wont be long and DD will be selling S1's of his "G13". Are you gonna give him the same treatment you're giving Doc?

DD's plants are BIG&Fruity

I have no idea what DoubleD may or may not have had at what time in the past or where/who it came from. Regardless of what that might or might not have been if he begins to sell seeds that produce thick bushy heavy producing plants with a fruity flavor smoke and claims it to be true pure original G13, then I will say that particular strain is not true pure original G13.

As some of the information I posted earlier in the thread stated, information if I remember correctly came from Shantibaba, it said that the original eventually lost vigor and died out. Some have claimed it was a virus and that some plants in the hands of some were saved, but I do not believe that for one second. I fully believe that all that has survived from those days that have G13 in them are the heartiest of crosses, and nothing else or nothing more.

If anyone advertises a G13 strain as being the true pure original G13 rather than some type of cross and it's a thick heavy yielding fruity flavored strain I will say it is not the true pure original G13.

You may have missed it earlier in this thread but Reeferman is one of my favorite breeders, I love most all of his true sativas, but he sells a G13 that he calls RM G13 and I said in this thread that it isn't the real true pure G13. If I will say that about one of my favorite breeders I will say it about any breeder. But he does advertise his RMG13 as being G13 x White Widow, at least he does on Hemp Depot. http://hempdepot.ca/seeds/reeferman/RMG13.htm Even if he calls it RM G13 as long as in the description he mentions it is really G13 x White Widow, then I have no problem with it. Now I do somewhat question if there isn't something else in the mix that is not mentioned though. As Shantibaba said it, about a decade after Nevil had the true original pure G13 Soma and Reeferman purchased some old hybrid seeds from Nevil through third parties. They have hybrids, not the real deal. So if Reeferman's RM G13 was a hybrid to begin with then his G13 x White Widow has to have something else in it ... but at least he does not use the words; "pure G13" about his strain like Dr. Greenthumb does on his site.

The original was nothing at all like any strains offered today that are claimed to be G13. The descriptions of each of them are as different as night and day. They are all hybrids or pure fakes.

 

[WoodyHaze]

And no one believes his is pure G13 either.

then why harp on it? since 'noone believes his is real g13', i guess no one will buy it

 

[SCARHOLE]

Agreed and the plant we are talking about is the plant that Nevil bread with known as G13 and is where G13 gained it's fame regardless of the story behind it.



So are you in agreement that is not Nevil's original breeding stock/pure g13? That is the only argument I had which was Greenthumb was misrepresenting what the strain actually was.

I agree its not some scraggly early 70s sativa dom G13 that would have been grown at the univeristy of miss, an that its not Nevils origonal fem clones he used to make his g13 crosses.

I think DrGTs pure g13 simply means he hasnt crossed it with any of his stains. As it was only available in crosses from him previously.

I think even Jim ortega had a cross of some sort. But there is no way to prove anything.

 

[WoodyHaze]

I have no idea what DoubleD may or may not have had at what time in the past or where/who it came from. Regardless of what that might or might not have been if he begins to sell seeds that produce thick bushy heavy producing plants with a fruity flavor smoke and claims it to be true pure original G13, then I will say that particular strain is not true pure original G13.

As some of the information I posted earlier in the thread stated, information if I remember correctly came from Shantibaba, it said that the original eventually lost vigor and died out. Some have claimed it was a virus and that some plants in the hands of some were saved, but I do not believe that for one second. I fully believe that all that has survived from those days that have G13 in them are the heartiest of crosses, and nothing else or nothing more.

If anyone advertises a G13 strain as being the true pure original G13 rather than some type of cross and it's a thick heavy yielding fruity flavored strain I will say it is not the true pure original G13.

You may have missed it earlier in this thread but Reeferman is one of my favorite breeders, I love most all of his true sativas, but he sells a G13 that he calls RM G13 and I said in this thread that it isn't the real true pure G13. If I will say that about one of my favorite breeders I will say it about any breeder. But he does advertise his RMG13 as being G13 x White Widow, at least he does on Hemp Depot. http://hempdepot.ca/seeds/reeferman/RMG13.htm Even if he calls it RM G13 as long as in the description he mentions it is really G13 x White Widow, then I have no problem with it. Now I do somewhat question if there isn't something else in the mix that is not mentioned though. As Shantibaba said it, about a decade after Nevil had the true original pure G13 Soma and Reeferman purchased some old hybrid seeds from Nevil through third parties. They have hybrids, not the real deal. So if Reeferman's RM G13 was a hybrid to begin with then his G13 x White Widow has to have something else in it ... but at least he does not use the words; "pure G13" about his strain like Dr. Greenthumb does on his site.

The original was nothing at all like any strains offered today that are claimed to be G13. The descriptions of each of them are as different as night and day. They are all hybrids or pure fakes.

 

[stonedmetalhead1]

I agree its not Nevils origonal fem clones he used to make his g13 crosses.

Thank you

I think DrGTs pure g13 simply means he hasnt crossed it with any of his stains. As it was only available in crosses from him previously.

I think even Jim ortega had a cross of some sort. But there is no way to prove anything.

You know that's not what he's trying to say. His description says Nevil's pure G13, pure being the important word. If he was saying it was a hybrid he wouldn't have labeled it like that and wouldn't be trying to sell a hybrid for $100 a seed. That was his whole appeal is that he was trying to say he had a legendary plant that everyone would want.

 

[Brick Top]

Originally Posted by Brick Top
Did you bother to read message # 824? It only lists a handful of strains with leaves with serrated edges. It is not such an uncommon thing that it is proof positive of anything. I would say it does say enough to say it is fairly likely it is as claimed to be, but I would not go so far as to say it is clear and sound enough proof that it wipes away all possible doubt.

But what the heck .. if he has a strain with double serrated edges, regardless of how many other strains have the same, if it's good enough for you ... that is all that matters ...... to you.

did you read tip top tokers post about ex cheese having double serrated leaves? and that was 'his' way of knowing if it was ex cheese or not? well now you posted the pics, you tell me if it has 'double serrated 'leaves or not. hmmmmmmm? and supposedly, tip top toker has grown ex cheese, but you are the expert, you tell me how ex cheese should look. lmao...........i guess you want scratch and sniff pictures?

I am not claiming to be an expert on the Exodus Cheese cut. I merely pointed out that double serrated leaf edges alone are not positive proof that a strain that is called or claimed to be Cheese is the Exodus cut just because it has double serrated leaf edges. I only gave a short list of other strains that have double serrated leaf edges, but the list could have been made much longer, and it is always possible that someone, and I am NOT saying Dr. Greenthumb did this, but someone could take one of those strains and cross it with some other Cheese and if the right plants were chosen and enough crosses were made they could come up with 'a' Cheese with double serrated leaf edges and it would not be the Exodus cut.

did you read tip top tokers post about ex cheese having double serrated leaves? and that was 'his' way of knowing if it was ex cheese or not?

"His" way or not, double serrated leaf edges are not anywhere near as uncommon as some evidently believe them to be, so having a plant with them is not in and of itself proof positive that it is Exodus Cheese even if it is 'a' Cheese of some sort.

But I did say it is fairly likely that Dr. Greenthumb's IS the real deal, but that it having double serrated leaf edges is not proof positive that it is.

well now you posted the pics, you tell me if it has 'double serrated 'leaves or not.

The pictures I posted were of plants with double serrated edges that are NOT the Exodus Cheese cut, and not even Cheese varieties and instead different strains. I did not post the picture the leaf that was allegedly true Exodus Cheese. That was posted by Dr. Gruber and was only in my message due to my having quoted his message that the picture was in.

Scratch and sniff pictures would be nice ... if they were of say ... Keira Knightly or Natalie Portman or the Olsen Twins or someone like that. Do you happen to have any? If so, how 'bout posting them?

 

[doc111]

nobody can prove if its real or fake, all we can do is think for ourselves. i think g13 is not real, from the stories i read, everything is based on hearsay. not enough proof for me. real or not, like i said before, $100 per seed is nuts. the way i see it, its just like when a breeder calls his strain white widow, or blueberry....its all about marketing.

I think this post pretty much sums this entire thread up. Nobody even knows if this strain is for real or not and even if it is, there's not a person alive who can prove it is real or if what they are claiming they have is the "real deal" G13. This thread stopped being about Dr.GT or his G13 a long time ago. It's turned into nothing but a flamefest and nothing productive can ever come of it. Why not just let this thread die a quiet, peaceful death?

 

[a dog named chico]

Edit: Let it die!!

 

[steampick]

Killed by death? Killed by death!

 

[doc111]

Killed by death? Killed by death!

Could somebody please drive a wooden stake through its heart....................just to be on the safe side.