spacecake13
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Thanks dude. I'm not advanced enough to use that that sort of equipment yet. Maybe in a couple of years with the right situation. Interesting to know though. Thanks +Rep
Can Somebody Please Tell Me If Trimming Some Fan Leaves Would be a Good Idea Here?
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spacecake13
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I know what u mean Flo Grow. Ive removed a lot of foliage in the last couple of days. It didn't look like a lot to take but it fills up the bag pretty quickly. If there are some resinous buds below the scrog line that aren't getting any decent light, will i still take them off also?
spacecake13
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Thanks Yak. A digital Ph reader goes a long way and really made things so much easier. My only other two harvests ever turned out to be all hermies so i'm really excited this year. Fem'd seeds are a terrible risk, i learnt the hard way. I wish you the best of luck with your own crop m8! +Rep
spacecake13
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I'm not gonna touch the top canopy anymore as you suggested. I'm gonna give them a fews days rest now as i have been giving them too much attention over the last few days, and could probably do with a little quiet time alone without me poking round them with a stanley knife ^^ Peace out dude, happy 4/20
Flo Grow
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Today is Veg Day 29 (from seed).
Thick ass canopy after alot of trimming, which also made secondary branches reach more for the light and are now at the net.
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Underneath, with still a lot of foliage of course. These will end up in the net and above come bloom and the stretch.
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Dried and still moist leaves from the last week of trimming as needed.
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Thick ass canopy after alot of trimming, which also made secondary branches reach more for the light and are now at the net.
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Underneath, with still a lot of foliage of course. These will end up in the net and above come bloom and the stretch.
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Dried and still moist leaves from the last week of trimming as needed.
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spacecake13
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Those are some nice and tight inter nodes. Do you control the nighttime temps a lot to keep them like that or do you have a special nutrient additive for it? Is your reservoir temperature controlled also or do the insulated walls keep the water cooler than average?
Flo Grow
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Thanks SC !
My lights on/off temps never swing more than 6 degrees.
Usually in the 4 to 5 degree range, and that is what always does it for me.
No, no additives.
Just GH Flora Micro, Bloom, FloraNectar and powder KoolBloom( 3 - 4 hits in bloom only) also PBP Cal/Mag, Silicon Blast and Liquid Karma.
My coolers and insulated styrofoam lids are the main reason for my stable rez temps.....plus a 1/2gal frozen water bottle added daily.
wiseguy316
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nothing like stealing from yourself, do not clip fan leaves until they are dead.
Ferredoxin
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Yes, trim them. Plants almost ALWAYS have loads of excess carbohydrates, so trimming leaves will not hurt your girls. Obviously, if you go ape shit and start stripping branches that is a bad thing, but usually I only remove leaves when they are blocking buds. That light that would have been hitting the leaf is now hitting the bud, which is good for several reasons:
1. If your buds are GREEN, they contain chlorophyll, which means they are photosynthesizing and producing energy for the plant.
2. Photosynthate is going to be used closer to the site of generation first. Of course, some will always be transported throughout the plant, but a large amount is used close to home. Would you drive across town for McDonalds if there was one right next door? Basically, direct light on as many bud sites as possible is going to make them bigger (and more colorful closer to harvest - anthocyanins (pigments) in plants are synthesized most effectively in a high light, low temperature environment).
3. Removing leaves (even excessively) very close to harvest is going to make the plant think that death is near. Remember, a plant's ONLY goal in life is to reproduce. If a plant senses that death is imminent, it is going to pump every last little bit of energy into its reproductive organs to ensure maximum survivability of the offspring. I observe this theory on winegrapes every year, only we make them think they are dying by holding back water. We also remove more than 50% of the growing shoots during the season, and leaves get dropped at different times also. Yes, vines are perennials, and our plants are annuals, but plant physiology is, for the most part, plant physiology.
1. If your buds are GREEN, they contain chlorophyll, which means they are photosynthesizing and producing energy for the plant.
2. Photosynthate is going to be used closer to the site of generation first. Of course, some will always be transported throughout the plant, but a large amount is used close to home. Would you drive across town for McDonalds if there was one right next door? Basically, direct light on as many bud sites as possible is going to make them bigger (and more colorful closer to harvest - anthocyanins (pigments) in plants are synthesized most effectively in a high light, low temperature environment).
3. Removing leaves (even excessively) very close to harvest is going to make the plant think that death is near. Remember, a plant's ONLY goal in life is to reproduce. If a plant senses that death is imminent, it is going to pump every last little bit of energy into its reproductive organs to ensure maximum survivability of the offspring. I observe this theory on winegrapes every year, only we make them think they are dying by holding back water. We also remove more than 50% of the growing shoots during the season, and leaves get dropped at different times also. Yes, vines are perennials, and our plants are annuals, but plant physiology is, for the most part, plant physiology.
spacecake13
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Wow, 3 very good points. One question though? Would plant physiology of the grape "vine" not differ from the cannabis plant is it is a "weed" and have different characteristics? Either way i'm impressed with scientific POV on the topic. It seems everybody is giving me a different answer. lol. I think i'll just bonsai some of the top leaves at a later date on some plants and just keep tucking fan leaves under buds at the moment. One question though, would moving tricome covered leaves affect hormone levels in the plants? Or am i just thinking way too much? Oh by the way +Rep for the very informative answer's. Cheers
spacecake13
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If they are dead don't they just fall off? Or do you mean if they are on the way out?
spacecake13
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How do you keep the roots from groping the freezing cold bottle once a large system is in place and getting shocked? Is there a custom partition between the bottle and the roots? Is Silicon Blast good for flowering? I didn't like the sound of it when i read it first as the cannabis where i'm currently from is being sprayed with silicone to make it look resinous and skunky, and therefore sold for a higher price. Hence, me being forced to grow my own for fear of my immediate health, while most of my friends just don't care. It's a real nightmare seeing people are still buying this crap 7 years after its introduction.
The ash goes hard and turns oily if left overnight or for 4+ hours sometimes less depending on the recipe of crap they spray it with. Lungs are totally closed up the morning after, and your body functions grind to a halt while you are smoking it. Guess how much genuine weed goes for over here? 25EURO per gramme ATM with all this sprayed stuff circulating! Madness 
spacecake13
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Flo Grow
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You must be referring to the waste of a growers time and money (nutes) on all those POPCORN buds they/you end up with every harvest and why they resort to making medibles and butter with them !
Because they ain't worth a smoke !
My dry weight NEVER includes popcorn buds, just straight BUDS !
While you're robbing yourself and your plants (time and energy again) with those wasteful buds and leaves.
My yields speak for themselves, what about yours along with the waste of popcorn included ?!
Flo Grow
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Speak on it Ferredoxin !
+REP
Ferredoxin
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Yes, some of the physiology differs between annuals and perennials, but a good chunk of the difference has to do with how carbohydrates are partitioned. Perennials have to store energy for the following season, whereas an annual does not. But the hormones involved in regulating various plant processes mostly all have the same effect. It's kinda like comparing humans to rabbits. Our biology as far as circulatory system, reproduction, etc... are all basically the same.
spacecake13
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Does removing the future popcorn buds increase new growth at the top? Or does it just make the existing buds at the top chunkier?
