I cut my shade leaves!!
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newworldicon
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Everybody should unsubscribe at this point, waste of server space now. Lesson learnt.
Wolverine97
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To be fair. I'm interested in severe defoliation as a means of inducing a plant to turn polyploid, but as a general rule I don't think it's a good idea.You'll be better than good.
Lots of folks remove leaves.
If you want to see some real "defoliation",, check my signature. I started comparing strain to style. Since has taken off in a new direction, but with the same style. May find it interesting?
Really, you're good.
Glad to see you're not afraid to try stuff on your own. Only way to learn and know for sure. Good luck with your grow.
Canon
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Only a tool in growing.
Not everyone needs to if they have the room, light, enviroment, money, etc.
But it does work. Not like you're burning a holy shrine or anything.
The guy that removed some in early flower has done what many others simply do as part of their grow routine.
Not like it killed his grow at all.
It's just the taboo idea,, that seems to be dished out to everyone (without knowing their conditions) that is poor info (IMHO).
Again,, only a tool to grow it the way you want. Much like LST, topping, etc.
I don't believe defoliating should be considered a "style" at all,, jus a ends to a means.
Wolverine97
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Well, when he first described it he said he removed all/most of his fan leaves. That's gonna affect yield for sure. I can understand some trimming to improve light penetration in certain setups (most, actually), but only moderate trimming and I believe you have to find a balance. To each their own.
Canon
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Know what you mean. I did a reply,, then thinking of the possible details / conditions etc. DELETE became utilized.
Second post I was more comfortable with.
Wolverine97
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And I know what you mean there.
Canon
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Danged! I forgot to ask about the polyploid.
Way I understand it,, cell structure gets larger,, could make for a larger plant. But from understanding, this would only show in back breeding???
If this happened to a plant being defoliated,, I'm even more confused. EVERY time I tried it stunted the plant. So "making it bigger" I don't know about.
My grow mentioned,, I would consider as extreme defoliation from about 16 days throughout. Got some weird looking leaves for a spell,, about it.
I must be misunderstanding the whole thing???
Wolverine97
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I really don't know, man. I've read it in a couple places and have just been interested. I can't verify any of it at all. The thing that I saw with yours though, was that you always left a fair amount of growth intact. The way I read it, you have to actually remove everything except the very newest growth tips. Continually. Eventually it's supposed to happen, that's all I know. It could be some old bush hippy bullshit, I have no idea.
makinthemagic
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the plants will "eat" the leaves to get food and energy for bud production. the leaves will yellow and dry up. eventually they will come off on their own. the fan leaves get caught in the sprouts and get pulled off. i ran my fingers through my plants to clear out dead fan leaves so the bud producing parts could have more light.
Canon
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Ha! We must travel in simular circles - LOL
Best I've come up with is something like, I heard a guy,, telling a friend,, that he heard that someone mentioned.....
May be right about the Bush Hippy Shit. I've had critters chomp my O.S. grows bare,, and all I got was some fair toothpicks & chewsticks from it at best.
derius johnson
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what is a polyploid??
derius johnson
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Also what is defoliation?? thanks
Canon
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altered genetics / cell structure. Most veggies are that way in varying degree. Corn, Tomatoes, mellons, blueberries, etc.
I think a good example is chickens. If you mix 2 different breeds, you may get a hybred. If you neuter a rooster it alters the genetics (growth hormones) and you create a capon (chicken the size of a goose). Capons are polypoid. But you cant breed the capon (no nuts) so theoreticly it's impossible to have capons as a hybred.
However not the same as a hybred, although a hybred can be polyploid.
Same chickens, 2 breeds, mate them, nueterize the roosters in the offspeing and you have a non-breedable hybred capon.
(Got it?
)At least that's how I understend it. I'm not all that up on it so could be off(?) a bit.
Canon
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crazy carl
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I remove any fan leaves that have p/m or drying or something like that this ends up to being 6 to 12 off the plant throughout a weeks time. I have 4 plants and have 3 in root pots and 1 in a 3 gal pot, my point is out of the 4 one is a experiment I think ill stop using the root pots until I get more experience with p/m.... I might try to chop one of the 4 to see what happens. Im in week 4 and all is good and Im learning a lot.
I like the idea of trimming the stem 1/2 way it makes sense Ive seen these things both cut short and mid way on my plants and it seems the one cut mid way heals in a day or so and stem dries out in a week and leaves a small round spot at the base. nice and clean....
I like the idea of trimming the stem 1/2 way it makes sense Ive seen these things both cut short and mid way on my plants and it seems the one cut mid way heals in a day or so and stem dries out in a week and leaves a small round spot at the base. nice and clean....
Wolverine97
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You're probably right on the circles thing... But no, one of the places I've seen this is in Mel Thomas's book "Cannabis Cultivation", He was very explicit about it. I know I've seen it elsewhere, but I couldn't tell you where.