The Dan Kone Thread of Legalizing For Us All.

[jesus of Cannabis]

 

[Dan Kone]

Hopefully demand will support retail but it's the retail that the No voters are against here.

See, that's odd because you claim people are against retail sales of cannabis, but where are they? I don't hear anyone objecting to what I proposed.

What people are against is the mass production and monopolization of cannabis, not retail sales. If retail sales are limited to small businesses operating as a collective where anyone can go in and sell their products on consignment, I don't think you'll find anyone objects to that.

So go ahead and find people who object to all retail cannabis sales. I don't think they exist here. That's not what people are against. They are against megacorps taking over, not small businesses that service the community.

 

[HarryCarey]

I don't think cannabis retail in a legal world should be classified as non profit only, for medical thats fine but people should be allowed to operate there business as they themselves see fit, sink or swim, not by the whims of some legislators far away with lobbyists to please....whats so bad about for profit business, it usually brings a higher quality product to the market because of competition and desire to make the most profit and maintain that profit through there brands reputation....Am I way off here? I want freedom from the prying hands of the gov., not regulations out the ass like in a Non-Profit business

 

[mccumcumber]

Well the coop idea would just be option for a smaller downpayment. It would be ideal if 20 growers in a neighborhood had their own grows and coop as well to try new things. They could also sell cannabis that they grew themselves out of the coop, but the money would be subject to the same regulations... less incentive imo.

 

[Dan Kone]

Anywho back on topic. I liked your ideas about legalization, I've been thinking about adding in coops somehow, here's my idea:

Cannabis Coops and Collectives: 1/5 the cost of a corporate start-up fee, and same space limitations. A coop or collective can occupy a plot or building in residential or commercial zoning. There is no limit to the number of plants or growers that can fit inside the regulated space. Weed can be sold at the coops/collectives at the digression of the members of the coop/collective. However, the coops or collectives must be run as a non profit organization.
Ideal wages (wages are to be determined by the coop, but no more %50 of the money may go the individual growers, and at least 10% of the money needs to be donated) will follow certain criteria such as, 5% of the weed money will go to maintenance, 25% electricity/water bills, 20% will go to grow mediums and nutrients, 35% will go to the members and growers in the collective as compensation for their work, and the remaining 15% will go to a local charity or funding for a local public school, chosen by vote of the members of the coop/collective.

If they choose to sell in bulk to stores there is opportunity for profit, a typical 5 lb pack of chronic (If you have about 19 other growers helping you out you better be able to grow chronic) in the future will have a drop in price, but not too dramatically. I'm assuming the price will linger somewhere around $10,000.
-$500 dollars to maintain their place.
-$2500 to pay for the water/electricity.
-$2000 to pay for the mediums and nutes.
-$3500 to be split amongst members.
-$1500 to be spent on a charity.
Note that this is for only one deal. Most clubs today buy 5lb packs of one strain once a month! Most clubs also offer around 25+ strains on average, with the more popular ones carrying around 40+ strains. With a perpetual grow and a high enough demand (legalization will probably raise demand, I don't see how it could lower demand), coops with this structure could have well payed employees and make enough money to support continual growing. As well as donate a considerable amount of money to a charity. The non profit and charity angles give the coop members a chance to say that they're giving more back to the community than anti mj right wing republicans. Win win imo.

I really like the intent of what you're saying. But I think that opens a lot of door for the cops to fuck with people. The stricter the regulations, the easier it is for someone to fuck up. If cops know that, they'll definitely try and get people like like. All it would take is an accounting error and then the cops claim "it's illegal drug dealing posing as a legitimate business!". That's exactly what's happening now with the dispensaries in Santa Clara county. The cops are investigating their non-profit status.

That's also why I put in the 99 plant limit. That's to stop the fed's from treating Cali as their own little playground.

I just have seen how much the cops like to exploit the non-profit aspect of medical. I know of one club who got shut down because instead of paying himself a salary at the end of the year, he wanted to carry over the money to buy stuff for the club at the beginning of the next year. But the second you carry over any amount of money in a surplus, you've violated your status as a non-profit.

So yeah, for profit collectives aren't ideal, but they do provide extra protection from meddling cops that non-profits do not have.

 

[Dan Kone]

I don't think cannabis retail in a legal world should be classified as non profit only, for medical thats fine but people should be allowed to operate there business as they themselves see fit, sink or swim, not by the whims of some legislators far away with lobbyists to please....whats so bad about for profit business, it usually brings a higher quality product to the market because of competition and desire to make the most profit and maintain that profit through there brands reputation....Am I way off here? I want freedom from the prying hands of the gov., not regulations out the ass like in a Non-Profit business

Everyone can ignore my last post. You just said it way better.

 

[Dan Kone]

Well the coop idea would just be option for a smaller downpayment. It would be ideal if 20 growers in a neighborhood had their own grows and coop as well to try new things. They could also sell cannabis that they grew themselves out of the coop, but the money would be subject to the same regulations... less incentive imo.

Ahhh. I think I understand now. You mean have that as an option people have. In that case, I like it a lot.

 

[mccumcumber]

Yes exactly, it's just an option.
I do see where you're getting at with cops being dicks... it's the typical nature of the cop.

 

[HarryCarey]

Ya I dig where your coming from as well, just a second option for easier start up, yeah that sounds good. I just wouldnt want to hinder the small business economics by making it too complicated

 

[Michael Sparks]

Well these are all great aspects of this delema we face, I am curious how to gain head ground for other states, since this issue of decriminalization effects the u.s. as a whole I and i'm certain others would be interested on how such a proposal would be spread to even the most close minded parts of this nation, basically I'd figure we need to get the doubt out of peoples minds that this is attainable and feasible with everyone's best interests kept in mind.

 

[growone]

Well these are all great aspects of this delema we face, I am curious how to gain head ground for other states, since this issue of decriminalization effects the u.s. as a whole I and i'm certain others would be interested on how such a proposal would be spread to even the most close minded parts of this nation, basically I'd figure we need to get the doubt out of peoples minds that this is attainable and feasible with everyone's best interests kept in mind.

i much like this sentiment, hoping for good things in 2012
the new MMJ states are creating such strict setups(most have disaster all over them), if anything, they are setting a very negative MJ tone
until California makes the move, i doubt much significant forward motion

 

[Ernst]

I'd think we all have common ground. We are arguing on what Green means tho..

We are in favor of the Green but we are arguing on what Green means to us.

So lets get out the green.. IF you are willing to share your Green with your neighbour on request or as a festive spirit then I am in for your kind of green if you cannot share all Green but you can share the grown in the soil Green I still consider you a wealthy and generous man.
Be it tomatoes or cannabis..

Edit

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When I salvaged the roaches and toked I wrote the above then this song came to me after.
Go figure

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[Michael Sparks]

Ernst, you crack me up man.. true word though sharing is caring. lest we forget we are but human.

 

[Ernst]

Ernst, you crack me up man.. true word though sharing is caring. lest we forget we are but human.

Then you will probably like this Tiki-jo Sweet too..

 

[Michael Sparks]

caught me a bit off guard, Tiki-jo ? Ernst is that you in your avitar ?

 

[Ernst]

Cannabis. Me yeah I came out of the cannabis closet a while back.

Do you like cannabis?

 

[Ernst]

Where is Dan?

 

[Michael Sparks]

i would say i have a passion for cultivating and cannabis is a beautiful and wonder plant. so yes i do like cannabis (if that questions was directed toward me)

 

[Ernst]

i would say i have a passion for cultivating and cannabis is a beautiful and wonder plant. so yes i do like cannabis (if that questions was directed toward me)

I ask when I am unsure of the context.
Had a conversation with an anti-cannabis person in email only to find out a dozen exchanges later they were anti-cannabis. I ask if I am unsure.

Hey do you remember the political correctness of using cannabis over marijuana?
What do you think of Horticulture over Cultivation.

I say Horticulture since it's the actual science of it and cultivation is more slang for tilling the soil.

 

[Michael Sparks]

Horticulture is actually the small scale reliance of domesticated crops (growing for yourself) not relying on mechanized technology, cultivation is intensive agriculture which involves the repeated use of the same land and requires mechanized technology such as irrigation (large scale) more industrial purposes. I say cannabis because it sounds more formal.