Well Here Goes Again

Danielsgb

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I saw a quote in my book for class today I wanted to share.
Old Roman quote is the best manure is the footprint of the master.
So I guess UB and RiddleMe are Roman.
Daniels
 

Danielsgb

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I topped my Tangerine Dream today. I did #1 above the 3rd node, & #2 above the 2nd. I got a spicy, skunk scent from #1 when I went to toss it's top. #1 is going to have a branch from under it's cotyledon. I got the top of #2 cloned so it's TD #2-A. I think I'm gonna give them some Fish Poop next.

Daniels

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kingofqueen

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Damn , got your hands on some TD ? Awesome It just sounds yummy ! Funny too I'm just at my 6th node on Plush Berry and am doing the same exact thing tomorrow . So I have Plush Berry and Cheese Quake on the same schedule as you . How many weeks from topping are you gonna veg?
 

Danielsgb

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Damn , got your hands on some TD ? Awesome It just sounds yummy ! Funny too I'm just at my 6th node on Plush Berry and am doing the same exact thing tomorrow . So I have Plush Berry and Cheese Quake on the same schedule as you . How many weeks from topping are you gonna veg?
I'm gonna flip them in 15 days. I'm in the Club Speedy Growers Cup, where 14 of us started the same day, and will flower same. Plush Berry sound good. Which breeder is that?:leaf:

Here's SS #1 & #4. I sure hope they finish soon. I need the space. I keep expecting #4 to be bent over bad when I check them. It is fox-tailing like I have never seen. I think it's fox-tails are getting their own fox-tails.

#1 has a crazy Cola.

The clone SS #2-B I took from 2-A is dampening off and I think it will show it's ready to up-can into a 4" sq. pot soon. I may go into a 1 gallon instead.
Daniels

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Danielsgb

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Senate panel passes medical marijuana overhaul that repeals current law

Dylan Brown Independent Record Bill Gallagher, representing the Public Service Commission, speaks second in a line full of opponents Friday during a public hearing on SB423, which is a bill that will generally revise current medical marijuana law.

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The Senate Judiciary Committee on Friday approved a bill that will repeal Montana’s current medical marijuana law and replace it with a much stricter regulatory system designed to drastically reduce the number of cardholders and squeeze the profits out of the industry.
Senate Bill 423, by Sen. Jeff Essmann, R-Billings, cleared the committee by a 10-2 vote after some major amendments, including the repeal language, and will be heard by the full Senate on Monday. The current law would be repealed July 1, with the bill setting up a transition schedule.
The 49-page bill, written in less than a week by a three-member subcommittee, is on the legislative fast track, at least in the Senate. It received mixed reviews in a hearing earlier Friday.
Sen. Greg Hinkle, R-Thompson Falls, who voted against the bill, said, “I think we’ve gone way too fast on this thing.”
Also opposing the bill was Sen. Larry Jent, D-Bozeman, who favors a repeal.
But Sen. Anders Blewett, D-Great Falls, said, “I think this bill moves us in the right direction. The number of cardholders is going to diminish dramatically. We need to do something about medical marijuana. The people of Montana want us to regulate it.”
He said he fears if this bill fails to pass, voters will repeal the 2004 voter-passed law, depriving those people who need medical marijuana of access to the product.
Critics say the industry has reeled out of control since the fall of 2009, with thousands of people, including many in their 20s, and needs to be reined in.
Defenders of the law have criticized lawmakers for repealing a law that 62 percent of the voters passed in 2004. Some people have testified that medical marijuana has helped treat a variety of maladies far better than narcotics prescribed by doctors and without the side effects.
From the start of the subcommittee work, Essmann made it clear his goal is to reduce the number of people with cards authorizing them to use medical marijuana from the current 28,300 people to no more than 2,000 by making it harder for people to get cards for severe and chronic pain. Some legislators believe that is where the current law is being abused the most.
To obtain a card for severe and chronic pain, patients would be required to have an established professional relationship with a primary care physician that includes at least four visits in six months. A doctor who is a pain management specialist would have to review the patients’ records and concur.
It would ban storefront medical marijuana dispensaries and any forms of advertising or promotions for the product. It also seeks to squeeze any profits out of the system by requiring those growing the marijuana to sell it for what amounts to a cost basis or nonprofit basis only.
People authorized could grow their own restricted supply of marijuana or use a volunteer assistant. For those living in apartments, nursing homes or hospices who are forbidden to grow their own medical pot, they could obtain it from a nonprofit grower and have it delivered by a licensed courier, who would have to notify law enforcement officials prior to making deliveries.
It would make the Montana Public Service Commission the licensing agency under HB423.
However, PSC Chairman Bill Gallagher, R-Helena, testified earlier in the day that the commission, which regulates utilities and transportation companies, voted 5-0 to oppose being assigned as the licensing and regulatory agency for medical marijuana. The PSC already has “a full plate of important utility cases,” he said.
“This is not a job anyone wants to take on,” Essmann said.
If HB423 passes the Senate, it could face a serious challenge in the House, where Speaker Mike Milburn, R-Cascade, favors repeal, not regulation.
At the hearing earlier in the day, Essmann told the committee, “The overarching goal of this bill is to repeal a system that is obviously broken, cleanse the system out and then restore the laws of the state of Montana in a fashion that will recognize the intent of Montana voters in 2004, while removing the air of legitimacy that the dispensaries intended to invoke.”
His bill would excise the term “medical marijuana” from state laws and replace it with “therapeutic marijuana.”
At the hearing, representatives of Attorney General Steve Bullock and associations representing county attorneys, sheriffs, police chiefs, Mothers Against Drunk Drivers, physicians and businesses generally endorsed the bill, or in some cases wanted some changes.
Among the qualified supporters was Tom Daubert, an author of the 2004 initiative, who called it flawed and hastily written but added, “If it will allow just a handful of patients to live better than otherwise, it will have my support.”
Opponents included representatives of Safe Community, Safe Kids, a statewide group based in Billings that favors repealing the law altogether.
“We cannot support a middle ground,” said the group’s Susan Smith of Billings. “We are for repeal.”
Other opponents included medical marijuana patients like Barb Trego.
“I’m afraid this bill would cause the black market to flourish,” she said. “It would double the price and bring organized crime back in.”
She added that this bill is nothing but “50 pages of wasted ink and wasted paper.”
In other news Friday, the House Human Services Committee tabled House Bill 429, by Rep. Tom Berry, R-Roundup. At one time, it was thought to be a major tool for the Legislature to use to crack down on medical marijuana.
 

Danielsgb

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Meanwhile, the Senate this coming week will debate (and most likely will pass) SB 423, a bill designed not to make the law work well for patients and law enforcement while also eliminating opportunities for abuse of the law… but rather to shrink the program in arbitrary and capricious ways, to the detriment of many medically legitimate patients. The bill will make it much harder for many medically legitimate pain patients to obtain physician recommendations; will ban any person on probation from eligibility, without regard to urgent life/death circumstances some patients face; and – it appears to us – may make reliable access to good cannabis nearly impossible for a great many remaining patients (by bankrupting most existing caregivers, banning future profits, and creating a ridiculously cumbersome, almost Soviet-Russia-styled “system” for creating and distributing medicinal supply for patients).

The most glaring example of SB 423’s non-functionality is that it would assign regulatory oversight responsibilities to the Public Service Commission (PSC), a state agency known for its slowness and poor functionality to begin with – and which opposed this aspect of the bill because it’s already over-burdened with major ongoing rate-making processes concerning electricity and other subjects. Those of us who have been involved with PSC workings in the past find it impossible to believe that the agency could ever fulfill the duties SB 423 assigns it in as timely a fashion as the bill attempts to require. And even if it could, we don’t believe the system SB 423 creates will meet patient needs.
Patients & Families United

How You Can Help – Contact Senators Today!

The full Senate may debate and vote on SB 423 as early as Monday afternoon (tomorrow), but certainly by Tuesday. Here is a link where you can write/send your personal email to all members of the Senate:

http://montanadrugpolicy.org/alert/34

Suggested points to make:

· Whether you support or oppose SB 423, say so – but please also ask them to help improve SB 423 so that it will help patients, not hurt them, in the process of making the law work as needed for law enforcement and local governments.

· It is possible to “fix” Montana’s law, to end all abuses, without “arbitrary and capricious” provisions that are not intended to help patients or to allow the system to actually work as voters intended.

· Rather than ensure medical legitimacy to all physician recommendations, SB 423 singles out pain patients and subjects them to an arbitrary and unprecedented procedure that doesn’t fit well with current healthcare delivery and payment practices in Montana. This grossly ignores the 2005 Montana Legislature’s own action, in creating the “Montana Pain Initiative,” in which the Legislature itself recognized that Montana alone contains approximately 160,000 people who suffer genuine chronic pain problems! (The 2005 resolution, SJR 28, acknowledged that the U.S. as a whole contains 50 million sufferers of chronic pain – which would estimate 160,000 such people in Montana. Interestingly, a March 4, 2011 special feature in Time Magazine pegs Montana’s pain patient population at a whopping 270,000 people – 26% of our population!)

· SB 423 bans anyone on probation – regardless of medical need and necessity – from being a legal patient. Probationers facing life/death situations should be allowed access to cannabis under close supervision, so long as they honor all probation requirements!

· SB 423 seems to intend to make the entire program dysfunctional. The Public Service Commission opposed the bill and is ill-equipped for the regulatory job the bill assigns – and it is completely unrealistic to expect the PSC to adopt new rules and be ready to begin licensing growers beginning July 1.

· Banning profit-making by growers/processors/dispensers will eliminate all the beneficial effects of competition – such as steadily improved quality of products; experimentation and innovation in new infused product development; genetic experimentation to increase non-psychotropic cannabinoid content. Only a highly regulated and monitored program that allows profit-making can ensure reliable patient access to medical-grade and ever-superior cannabis choices.

· As written, banning any profit, SB 423 would plunge many hundreds if not thousands of good, honorable Montanans into bankruptcy and unemployment, merely for having sought to fulfill Montana’s current law in strictly legal ways. The negative impacts on Montana’s already struggling economy are being ignored! (What’s more, they are wholly avoidable.)

· Again, there are ways to “fix” our law, close loopholes and end abuses, provide for rigorous and effective regulation, oversight and control – without hurting patients and all current caregivers. SB 423 takes a broken law and breaks it again, more so, creating a host of negative consequences for our state and many thousands of people who don’t deserve the pain it will cause.
 

Danielsgb

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Here are my letters to the entire House & Senate.

Dear Legislators,
I have some questions about SB 423 to regulate Cannabis.
What will this cost? Where is the Fiscal Note? How do the Health Insurance companies feel about this? How much is this going to cost Medicare/Medicaid in the first year? Is this any way to have fiscal discipline? If Medicaid will cost $80 million for the next two years, what will these tests add? What will happen to thousands of the newly un-employed? Will these business owners be able to afford mortgages? Where will the several million in grow equipment go? Can law enforcement afford to lose focus on the Meth. epidemic which is a true danger to our youth?

My yearly MRI for my MS is $4,000. How can a chronic pain patient and their insurance pay for that just so they can avoid opiate based pills? What is the deductible for a CT scan? How about a specialist with expertise in the disease process that is causing the pain and an X-ray? What will the financial impact add to a patients health insurance?

This is restricting a doctors ability to practice medicine. Can you get a Dr. appointment every 45 days? Is this anyway to treat these 21,000 Montanans? Currently, only 353 physicians in Montana are associated with patients presently enrolled in Montana’s medical marijuana program. How do they feel about this? If each can only have 25 patients, how will the medical community cope? The ability to prescribe dangerous narcotic pills isn't questioned. How can the ability to recommend a substance with no overdose be this curtailed? 2 ounces and 4 plants is unfair. How can the legislators determine what a patient needs? That is the job of the medical community. With my MS I go through well over that in three weeks. How can cities and counties regulate medical care?

When this bill was written was the Senate Joint Resolution 28 from 2005 Montana Pain Initiative's finding taken into account? Was the findings of the Montana Pain and Symptom Management Task Force (MPSMTF) also analyzed? The American Pain Foundation has 76 million Americans or 26% have chronic pain.
In 2007 there was a MONTANA PAIN AND SYMPTOM MANAGEMENT TASK FORCE. Was one of these experts called to give medical information? I see Senator Squires is on this list, so was she involved? I recognize many of those signatures from 2005.

Can the PSC handle this added bureaucracy? Who will handle the deliveries and transport? Will the elderly ignore the potential income loss for programs that help them come election time? Senator Lewis had a workable regulation for law enforcement and patients.
Can the Legislators answer any of these questions from the week this has been put together?
If you can only answer one, above all who will end up paying for this? So many questions remain un-answered.


Dear Legislators,
When this bill was written was Senate Joint Resolution 28 2005 Montana Pain Initiative's finding taken into account? Was the findings of the Montana Pain and Symptom Management Task Force (MPSMTF) also analyzed? The American Pain Foundation has 76 million Americans or 26% have chronic pain.
Was one of these experts called to give medical information?
2007 MONTANA PAIN AND SYMPTOM MANAGEMENT TASK FORCE LIST

  1. Michael Bergkamp, ND Montana Association of Naturopathic Physicians Helena
  2. Betty Beverly Montana Senior Citizens Association Helena
  3. Starla Blank, PharmD Montana Board of Pharmacy Helena
  4. Kathryn Borgenicht, MD Montana Medical Association and American Association of Hospice and Palliative Care Bozeman
  5. Lee Ann Bradley, PharmD, BCPS Montana Pharmacy Association and University of Montana School of Pharmacy Missoula
  6. Deanna Brame, MSN, RN, C, CHPN Bozeman Deaconess Hospital Palliative Care Consultants Bozeman
  7. Jeannine Brant, RN, MS, AOCN St. Vincent Hospital Billings
  8. Gayla Brown, BSN, RN, LNHA Mountain-Pacific Quality Health Foundation Helena
  9. Roger Citron, R.Ph. Department of Public Health and Human ServicesHelena
  10. Kristina Davis, RN American Cancer Society – Volunteer Great Falls
  11. Becky Deschamps, R.Ph. Kalispell Regional Hospital Kalispell
  12. Joan Eliel Montana Department of Justice Attorney General’s Office Office of Consumer Protection and Victim Services Helena
  13. Jean Forseth, MN, RN, CHPN Big Sky Hospice Yellowstone City-County Health Department Billings
  14. Scott Hansing, DC Montana Chiropractic Association Helena
  15. Teresa Henry, MS, RN Montana Nurses Association Missoula
  16. Jan Jahner St. Peter’s Hospital Helena
  17. Linda Fike-Looser, PT, CLT-LANA, CES Montana Physical Therapy Association Hamilton
  18. Mary McCue Montana Dental Association Helena
  19. Sue Miller, RN, BSN Department of Public Health and Human ServicesHelena
  20. Liz Rantz, MD State Department of Corrections Missoula
  21. Randale Sechrest, MD Montana Spine and Pain Center Missoula
  22. Robert Shepard, MD New West Clancy
  23. Carolyn Squires Montana State Senate Missoula
  24. Dwight Thompson, PA Montana Board of Medical Examiners Harlowton
  25. Linda Torma, MSN, APRN, BC Montana State University-College of Nursing Carroll College Parish Nurse Center Missoula
  26. Deric Weiss, MD, FACP Hospital Palliative Care Programs Billings
  27. Staff Kristin Nei American Cancer Society Montana Government Relations Missoula
  28. Connie Sage Missoula
I see Senator Squires is on this list so was she involved? So many questions remain un-answered.

So I'm fighting all I can. I don't want to lose 26,000 fellow warriors in this battle. They are getting an earful from me to be sure. I haven't even went into the Americans with Disabilities Act yet. They are a very powerful group.
Feel free to make up an address for Billings MT 59105 and leave comments to http://montanadrugpolicy.org/alert/34
Daniels:weed:
 

bekindbud

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Sup Daniels, how many nodes down do you go from the top, 4? Just curious cause I was thinking about trying it out. Does the plant need to have at least 6-8 nodes total before doing it? Your plants look great and as always clones are perfect.

Peace

BKB
 

Danielsgb

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Sup Daniels, how many nodes down do you go from the top, 4? Just curious cause I was thinking about trying it out. Does the plant need to have at least 6-8 nodes total before doing it? Your plants look great and as always clones are perfect.

Peace

BKB
Here's UB's guide on topping. You count from the soil up to pick the nodes to leave. So 2nd node up. I've seen UB mentions it can be done earlier, but he doesn't recommend it. They need a root system in place. I love UB's technique.
https://www.rollitup.org/advanced-marijuana-cultivation/151706-uncle-bens-topping-technique-get-180.html#post5519184
Daniels:weed:
 
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