20,000 Watt Medical Grow Op Construction

collective gardener

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Grow Op Update:

Ok, for those that have been following I have an update on what we've been doing the past few days. Construction is finally slowing down. I need to duct in outside air to feed the air cooled lights (currently drawing from room), put the carbon filtered exhaust fans on a speed controller, purchase and hook up another portable air conditioner, purchase and install a 150 gallon RO water storage tank, purchase and install another dehumidifier, plumb de humidifier water discharge into ne RO water tank, and purchase and install a 2500CFM 12" exhaust fan from Grainger to exhaust the air in the main warehouse. That, I hope, should do it for the major settup.

Basically, right now wer're cooling with a massive movement of air through the rooms. There are 2 - 750 CFM inline exhaust fans on carbon filters, and 3 - 750 CFM inline fans exhausting the lights. We're moving so much air that the air conditioners aren't too effective. The air moves through too fast to get cooled. By feeding the light hoods with warehouse air, we remove 2250 CFM of air movement from the rooms. Then, we can crank up the AC's and see what happens. We'll just play with adding AC's and adjusting the exhaust fan speed to find that sweet spot.

All of our exhaust goes into the warehouse. There are 2 - 12" exhaust fans in the roof. While they are pretty powerful, I feel we need more movement outside the grow and inside the warehouse. Grainger sells this bad boy 12" fan that moves around 2500 CFM. It's around $400, but should do what we need. If not, we'll get 2 of em. We need massive flow in the warehouse because the entire heat load ends up there. Fortunately, we have 14' ceilings. By drawing air from down low, and exhausting high, we can pull in cool air while the exhaust fans get the super hot air out of the warehouse.

So far, I've avoided having to go onto the roof and make any modifications that may call attention to our little secret...like installing the ductless split AC system that I had originally planned on. If three portable 10,000btu AC's can't keep us cool, I'll get the split system, but mount the compressor on the roof of the grow room, but inside the warehouse. The exhaust fans will get rid of the heat it generates. There is just no way that I'm going to mount that thing on the roof and draw attention.

Now that we have some room in the veg room, we're able to really treat our veg plants right. Before they were too crowded. Now, the LST plants have the wires moved out every 2-3 days. This keeps them really short. The Lavanders we're not topping or training. By having room, we're able to space them far apart and move them around often. We're getting nice even bushy growth all the way into the middle of the lower plant. These plants will be too large for overhead lighting by the time that there is room in the bloom room, so it will be time for some free hanging bare bulbs. I'm envisioning the bloom room having three sections of 4 - 1000 watt lights each. The first is 4 lights in air cooled reflectors about 4 ' high. The second is 4 lights in air cooled reflectors about 6' high. The last would be 4 bare hanging bulbs for plants too tall for the other light sets. This gives me alot of leeway as to when plants move into bloom. If we can accomodate any size plant, I can keep the bloom room full at all times. This is the plan, anyways.

Ultimately, we'll identify the most productive plant size/spacing/training method, and slowly modify towards that ideal. Right now, it's pretty much the brute force method. It wouldn't suprise me if a year from now we were doubling our yield.

Helper D is taking the weekend off. That DICK. So there will be no new pics until Monday. I'm going to have hard enough time watering AND taking pictures. I'm exhausted just thinking about it.
 

TheLastWood

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Yeah he probably wants the weekend off to recover from the sunburns on his back and neck, bendin under those 1000 watters all day lol. Are the bubbas far enough along to "sample" yet?
 

collective gardener

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damn thing missed cali and hit japan
You can see from my posts that I avoid negativity at all costs. That being said, please go fuck yourself. Take that shit someplace else. Your 5th post and that's the best thing you can come up with? This thing is a horrible event wherever it may have occured. And, it did happen some in California. Have you seen Crescent City and Santa Cruz harbors? Crescent City Harbor is totally destroyed. There is a fleet of fishing vessels there that have been destroyed or damaged as well. There is no money to rebuild it. The fishermen who depend on that harbor and their vessels are now out of work. Does this make you happy, you sick fuck?
 

collective gardener

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Yeah he probably wants the weekend off to recover from the sunburns on his back and neck, bendin under those 1000 watters all day lol. Are the bubbas far enough along to "sample" yet?
Yeah...he's probably rubbing Aloa on his light burned plumbers crack. When he gets back and sees this guys comment below, he's going to have a heart attack. Helper D is native Cali and doesn't really tolerate shit like this. Since Helper D bench presses 350+lbs, it's good that they're not in the same room together.

The Bubba's are still a few weeks away. I will not sample until it's totally done and dried proper. I can't believe the density of the buds here at 5 weeks into bloom. Even the buds 12" or more down the branches are rock hard. I will probably harvest the top 50% of the plant and then let the rest cook for a few days before harvest. It's time for us to start constructing a drying shed. We're going to dry and cure offsite. We're currently taking temp and humidity readings at the drying site to determine what equipment we will need to install in order to get the atmosphere right.
 

newstrainnewrules

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hey man some people are just haters no matter what, but with that being said mad props on all your/collective work man its really an awesome thing to watch
 

TheLastWood

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Yeah I kno what u mean, my jacks are starting week 7 n I haven't tasted em yet. Still got another 2 or 3 weeks, maybe a little more.

There's been so much controversy lately on the subject gardener but do u do a pre harvest flush? I have but recently read an article on here that seems to disprove it and makes really good points with research backing it.
 

collective gardener

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Yeah I kno what u mean, my jacks are starting week 7 n I haven't tasted em yet. Still got another 2 or 3 weeks, maybe a little more.

There's been so much controversy lately on the subject gardener but do u do a pre harvest flush? I have but recently read an article on here that seems to disprove it and makes really good points with research backing it.

I do. I start backing my PPM's off week 5. We're like 800 right now. I'll drop to 600 week 6 and look at the plants. If they are still totally green, I'll back off to 400. I'll feed at 200 week 7, and clear water week 8. I just want to see some yellowing on the larger fan leaves. Not too much. Just enough to show me the plant is not storing and nutes and is beginning to use reserves. I like to taper down.
 

collective gardener

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nice thread found a place that has some serious fans

http://www.canadianblower.com/blowers/index.html
Holy shit. 300,000 CFM. That would suck the doors off my op! I think Grainger has everything I need. I use their catelog and then go to my local HVAC store to buy the fans. The owner is a big medicator...really big. Once he deduced what we were doing, he wouldn't let us pay for anything. LOL. I do need to go see him after the first harvest. We owe the dude big time.
 

puffntuff

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i used one of those attic fans before. it worked like a dream it was like a an ac unit it prolly cleared the air every 2 min. fresh air=happy plants happy plants =happy grower. happy growers come from med states!!! hahhaha a little take on the california milk commercials
 

TheLastWood

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Thanks gardener, I was thinkin bout the same thing, tapering then clear water for a few days. I like to not water at all the last 2 days, kinda makes drying times quicker.

I read (here on riu) the plants can actually produce an excess of natural nitrates from a N deficiency
 

collective gardener

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i used one of those attic fans before. it worked like a dream it was like a an ac unit it prolly cleared the air every 2 min. fresh air=happy plants happy plants =happy grower. happy growers come from med states!!! hahhaha a little take on the california milk commercials
Yeah, Grainger has these bad boys that run about $500, but they're soooooo worth it. The regular Home Depot attic fans are nice, but the industrial ones maintain rated CFM despite back pressure/vacuum. If the grow room isn't sealed, I like a good strong vaccum. That way, when you open the door, air rushes in, rather than that dank smell rushing out. While I like sealed rooms, I've never had a powdery mildew problem moving 2500 cfm through the grow. It seems like at a given humidity, the sealed room is more prone to the powdery mildew than the "wind tunnel" room. Of course, this only works in an area where the outside air is close to the desirable temp and humidity. Living by the beach helps a bunch.
 

collective gardener

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Nice setup it will be interesting to see how much you guys pull. If it's not what you want and you're in socal hit me up: )
I don't have super high hopes for a major yield on these first few crops. We spent too much time finishing the grow op and not enough time creating a good canopy.

I am in So Cal. What do you mean "hit me up"?
 

spivak420

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I don't have super high hopes for a major yield on these first few crops. We spent too much time finishing the grow op and not enough time creating a good canopy.

I am in So Cal. What do you mean "hit me up"?
Have you looked into Kyle Kushmans Veganics method?
Heres a link to Kyle's partner, Matt "Veganics" Rize's, multiple threads on the subject:

The first (and way to big) thread detailing his goals: https://www.rollitup.org/organics/364864-vegan-organics-aka-veganics-matt.html
The second thread, detailing Matt's Green Crack grow, using "Veganics": https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/398242-vegan-organic-green-crack-vegan.html <-------- {this being the much more informative one, as
Matt details the Vegan nutrient regimen in the first post}
 

collective gardener

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Have you looked into Kyle Kushmans Veganics method?
Heres a link to Kyle's partner, Matt "Veganics" Rize's, multiple threads on the subject:

The first (and way to big) thread detailing his goals: https://www.rollitup.org/organics/364864-vegan-organics-aka-veganics-matt.html
The second thread, detailing Matt's Green Crack grow, using "Veganics": https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/398242-vegan-organic-green-crack-vegan.html <-------- {this being the much more informative one, as
Matt details the Vegan nutrient regimen in the first post}
Yeah, I read Matt's stuff a couple months back. Honestly, it's not for us. The absolute last thing I want to start here is the never ending organic/hydro debate. As I mentioned before, that one has no end. It's a classic example of sometimes the need to agree to disagree.

I grow a few organic pants sometimes for head stash and the couple members who insist on organic. On this op, we're growing 6 organic plants/cycle for my wife's organic edibles collective. Other than that, this is, and will remain, a soiless grow op. If anything, we're leaning the other way, trying a few more plants every couple days in the DWC buckets. Godzilla (the first DWC Bubba) is a fine example of the benefits of hydro. I'll have to post another pick of her tomorrow. It's under 2' tall, yet has a 3/4" stock. The shear density of the veg growth is amazing. Of course, it's not just the DWC. The atmosphere is perfect, and the plant is directly under a 1000 watt Daylight Blue MH. I'm going to veg her to about 2.5' and then throw her into the bloom room. Depending on how it turns out (both quantity ans quality) will determine what percentage of our crop will be DWC.
 
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