Matt Rize
Hashmaster
It's called medicalmarijuana. People who want to smoke it and grow it in private can spend 100$ and get their "permit (rec)". Limits are actually large. 99 plants. Plenty for anyone with any kind of skill and patience.
Cultivating marijuana would no longer be a mandatory felony in California bill
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DelSlow
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I wonder if permits for residential growing would be enough for the non smokers? I think if you sell bud, in a dispensary or anything retail, I think sales tax would be enough. Are sales at dispensaries already taxed?
I really wouldn't want to see a huge cannabis tax like cigs but I think that might be inevitable.
I really wouldn't want to see a huge cannabis tax like cigs but I think that might be inevitable.
Matt Rize
Hashmaster
Like cigs AND alcohol. And probably prostitution where it is legal, but that is just a guess.
Sales at dispensary are taxed on the counter end. For the vendors it is not, and you are supposed to report that income at the end of the year. No tax forms or any of that to be a vendor. Anonym ous id numb er.
Matt Rize
Hashmaster
well DUH!!!
I'm in favor of that too. Who isn't? It already occurs pretty much unfettered. But while we are at it; I'm in favor of taxing every pound that every single one of you grows, i get an 1/8. We can call it the matt tax. synthetically grown isn't taxed lol.
DelSlow
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Damn, they must be making some big $$$ huh.
Ernst
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It will be easier to collect fees for a permit on home grown rather then taxing it.well DUH!!!
I'm in favor of that too. Who isn't? It already occurs pretty much unfettered. But while we are at it; I'm in favor of taxing every pound that every single one of you grows, i get an 1/8. We can call it the matt tax. synthetically grown isn't taxed lol.
Matt Rize
Hashmaster
the gov't is known for having it's cake and eating it too. they get ya coming and going. how many more timeless sayings should I post? and what about my 1/8s?! don't think i'm slipping! don't make me go wayne brady up in here. (i'm too high, lol) HASH!
Matt Rize
Hashmaster
Who is that?
The vendors? Yes, the "good vendors" are the ones with solid relationships, they can pull in about 7K every two weeks from my experience. That's all year. Not a bad haul after expenses considering they don't pay taxes
The dispensaries? Not really. They aren't managed well lol...
Ernst
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Well society has the obligation to provide public safety so those rules like no smoking in public are very constitutional.
I hope we can uphold that private property is a safe place to have a garden.
So Again I say why can we not legalize for the people in 2012 as a safe step on the road for complete USA legalization?
If we try and promote a complex initiative again aimed at doing things the voter cannot understand then it will fail in 2012 or 2014 on.
We should look at prop 215 and follow the only successful legalization example.
I hope we can uphold that private property is a safe place to have a garden.
So Again I say why can we not legalize for the people in 2012 as a safe step on the road for complete USA legalization?
If we try and promote a complex initiative again aimed at doing things the voter cannot understand then it will fail in 2012 or 2014 on.
We should look at prop 215 and follow the only successful legalization example.
Matt Rize
Hashmaster
So I hate big farms, HATE them. Pretty much hate any big business. I belong to a CSA and I only shop at the co-op and the farmer's market. And at both there are still items/vendors that I won't give my money to. I'm pretty hardcore in some ways. But I know that if we want enough voters to bite on a "legalization" initiative or prop, then we have to deal with commercial growing by any/all corporations. I hate that so much! But I know it's part of the path. We can't rationally keep them out, no matter how many hours we have spent in the past trying to on these forums.
Ernst: honest question about the future of public consumption of cannabis. What is your vision? Bars? Anywhere folks can smoke cigs? Backyards? Patios? ect...
DelSlow
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I thought vendors were dispensaries? Or are vendors the guys who sell to dispensaries? Confused...being somewhat high doesn't help either
Matt Rize
Hashmaster
vendor is the term often used to describe folks who sell to dispensaries.I thought vendors were dispensaries? Or are vendors the guys who sell to dispensaries? Confused...being somewhat high doesn't help either
Ernst
Well-Known Member
Well the day I can smoke a joint in a coffee shop in Turlock is the day all-right.
I think the prop 19 folks had that correct in a way. They made exceptions for local areas to do their own thing since there about 600 jurisdictions in the state of California I am sure ordnances will vary so it is hugely important that we have equality under the law so folks dealing with our not so informed citizenry have some legal defence when being harassed with loss of their job or other discrimination over their cannabis.
I believe that after the Prop-19 that most everyone is ready for the speeding ticket approach we have now and now there is a bill to make getting caught growing just local jail time and not the state prison.
Also introduced is a bill to protect workers although it is basically toothless since "safety sensitive" means whatever the business wants it to including selective firings.
So we will be struggling with cultural changes over cannabis for the rest of my life however if we stand with legal rights that makes living a life with cannabis easier to defend.
Oh and a Hemp farming bill was introduced.
Look think about Organic foods.. Sure some will buy cheep commercial cannabis especially where growing is impossible but if we all have rights to grow all the cannabis we can then we as a people can keep the variety and standards high especially if we are growing for commercial sales and a brand name is involved.
What I am worried about is in 50 years will there be diverse genetics or will it be USDA controlled.. Put it in the hands of the people! Make sure I can pass the genetics I have tended all my life to the next generation.
That loss of genetics is so obvious.. I mean where is some strain from two years ago? Gone because it doesn't make money. Private collection offer us Seed savers and heirloom variety growers.
You and I know that the most profitable tomato is a thick skinned green thing because it stands up to transit and the pressure of weight while not rotting fast.
It isn't the best eating tomato just the most profitable.
Our cannabis may go the way of the green tomato.
I have the Five things Idea on california2012.. It's simple.. Requires a separate vote to set the age for cannabis but is a guide for legalizing.
So if we can possibly delink profits from cannabis we can see that it is just a plant that is very useful. cannabis is made political and profitable by it's being illegal.
It was made illegal through a propaganda campaign we can call refer madness but the non-drug version Hemp was included because it competed with cotton and petroleum.
It was a bad move and it is a green industry. http://www.google.com/search?q=referman+++youtube&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
So Clubs here in Stanislaus county? I'll believe it when I see it..
But already stepping out for a smoke isn't a big deal in many places.. In fact people who smoke as they drink are less likely to get mean when they get drunk.
So is it possible that the best move is to put the rights to grow all we want in the legal hands of the people or stick with decrim where business calls the shots?
I'm open to suggestions.. We are actually re-legalizing.
Is it better that cannabis be regulated external to the people or is cannabis better regulated in the hands of the people?
Matt Rize
Hashmaster
I think the voters may trust external regulation more than cannabis growers.
Ernst
Well-Known Member
That local anti-cannabis man was shocked when he realized all the anti folks can do now to shape the future is support full legalization for the people. He thought for a minute and then realized I was correct.
The worst thing anti-cannabis types can do for their cause now is to stick to their "Not in my neighbourhood" approach.
The other thing he realized was that by supporting the 5x5 concept we are voting against horticulture.
There is hope of common ground with the Anti's but it comes as a rebellion against canna-business along cultural grounds.
Oh and the third thing he was shocked by when he realized the truth is to find cannabis one must ask a teenager. I asked him if you had to find some cannabis what would you do? I then commented ask a teenager they know where or who to ask. I said if we open a cannabis store here we could make people show ID's but dealers don't care about ID's so by not supporting Cannabis they are actually Supporting Black Market. On that I could tell he was back to not in my neighbourhood.
The worst thing anti-cannabis types can do for their cause now is to stick to their "Not in my neighbourhood" approach.
The other thing he realized was that by supporting the 5x5 concept we are voting against horticulture.
There is hope of common ground with the Anti's but it comes as a rebellion against canna-business along cultural grounds.
Oh and the third thing he was shocked by when he realized the truth is to find cannabis one must ask a teenager. I asked him if you had to find some cannabis what would you do? I then commented ask a teenager they know where or who to ask. I said if we open a cannabis store here we could make people show ID's but dealers don't care about ID's so by not supporting Cannabis they are actually Supporting Black Market. On that I could tell he was back to not in my neighbourhood.