Cultivating marijuana would no longer be a mandatory felony in California bill

[Ernst]

Ernst, your ideas and visions are probably shared by most on this site. Of course we would like to grow as much plants as possible without repercussions. But sadly, after 70+ years of prohibition, most people have a negative view of cannabis. It has bean burned in their brains that cannabis is bad. No amount of documentaries or studies will change their perspective. And if any of us want SOME form of legalization then we need a proposition that will get votes.

That being said, prop 19, a conservative legalization prop, failed. Maybe a liberal prop would do better? I don't know. Get the 99 plant proposition on the ballot and we will see if you are right...

I believe prop 19 failed because it sought to do too much too fast.
If we cannot pass a simple initiative that legalizes for the people then we cannot pass anything.

What do you think of that statement?

 

[Ernst]

You are so far off base that I don't know how to answer. I don't make money from pounds or seeds or any of that homie, and I won't in the future. You are tripping.

Wrong again.

You have just wrote several posts that clearly defines your point of view. It's not one of freedom for the people that is clear.

 

[Matt Rize]

I believe prop 19 failed because it sought to do too much too fast.
If we cannot pass a simple initiative that legalizes for the people then we cannot pass anything.

What do you think of that statement?

Your beliefs are not based on reality. Let's hear what you KNOW as beliefs (ie religion) mean nothing in reality.
Your statement is also incorrect. WE, the people of CA, will vote for a prop that gets them tax money for that state and limits cannabis to "not scary" size gardens.

 

[Matt Rize]

Wrong again.

You have just wrote several posts that clearly defines your point of view. It's not one of freedom for the people that is clear.

Wrong about you tripping. Correct about the rest. Don't tell me where my money comes from dude...

Freedom for the people... your idealism falls short in my realistic world view. We are not free and will never be. Our true freedom comes from ourselves when we stop caring. "none but ourselves can free our minds"

Don't confuse politics with creating a fair or just society, they are not related. Politics runs on special interest groups and money period

 

[Ernst]

Wrong about you tripping. Correct about the rest. Don't tell me where my money comes from dude...

Freedom for the people... your idealism falls short in my realistic world view. We are not free and will never be. Our true freedom comes from ourselves when we stop caring. "none but ourselves can free our minds"

Don't confuse politics with creating a fair or just society, they are not related. Politics runs on special interest groups and money period

To use programming parlance what I see as your style is symbol overload. By that I mean instead of simplifying meaning for a unambiguous message the message depends on it's context.

Look Matt there is a poll and you are free to vote no and post as to why we must avoid legalizing for the people as a safe first step.
I do not intend to dog you over our conversation.

What I believe is this simple for the people legalization first can unite the Yes and No cannabis votes. It is the simple right to canna-horticulture and that offers a balance between commercial and private forces.
I was telling that local Farmer I mentioned before that all the anti-cannabis folks can do to impact the future is embrace individual cannabis freedom now. He got it and was very shocked. It's true. The only thing that will make a difference in shaping the Canna-future for California now is to support letting the people grow all they want and that can keep industry in check.
I suggest the language allow unlimited plant counts but should implement a permit system so that the State of California can generate revenue.
All acts of violation should be civil and subject to fines rather than jail.

Anyway Simple baby step to open the door. A Cannabis policy rooted in individual freedom.

I'm betting that we can persuade the No people to vote yes in the name of a long historic right that people grow their own food, medicine, fibre and in this case safe intoxicant.

So go vote Matt.. Post a nice well thought out no vote post and encourage others to follow your lead.
Simply exposing our human condition on-line has little honour nor accomplishes anything of importance in the name of Cannabis-Freedom.

 

[DelSlow]

To use programming parlance what I see as your style is symbol overload. By that I mean instead of simplifying meaning for a unambiguous message the message depends on it's context.

Look Matt there is a poll and you are free to vote no and post as to why we must avoid legalizing for the people as a safe first step.
I do not intend to dog you over our conversation.

What I believe is this simple for the people legalization first can unite the Yes and No cannabis votes. It is the simple right to canna-horticulture and that offers a balance between commercial and private forces.
I was telling that local Farmer I mentioned before that all the anti-cannabis folks can do to impact the future is embrace individual cannabis freedom now. He got it and was very shocked. It's true. The only thing that will make a difference in shaping the Canna-future for California now is to support letting the people grow all they want and that can keep industry in check.
I suggest the language allow unlimited plant counts but should implement a permit system so that the State of California can generate revenue.
All acts of violation should be civil and subject to fines rather than jail.

Anyway Simple baby step to open the door. A Cannabis policy rooted in individual freedom.

I'm betting that we can persuade the No people to vote yes in the name of a long historic right that people grow their own food, medicine, fibre and in this case safe intoxicant.

So go vote Matt.. Post a nice well thought out no vote post and encourage others to follow your lead.
Simply exposing our human condition on-line has little honour nor accomplishes anything of importance in the name of Cannabis-Freedom.

So the idea here is people will be allowed to grow cannabis as long as they have a permit? I think that would get more support from the pro cannabis side. But for the anti cannabis side, the price for the permits would have to be right. I don't think $10 permits for unlimited plants would fly. Maybe something like $100 per 10 plants? And even that is a stretch. Permits would have to be renewed each year.

Of course, this is just talk. It really means nothing unless we have the $$$.

 

[Ernst]

Permits are a suggestion. I like permits better than 5x5..
We all know the State will expect a cut and Taxes on home grown is nearly impossible to collect or unjust as with Rancho Cordova.

Maybe we would add that private gardens are exempt from taxation? That the permits are the source of income for the state and that we would be smart to avoid fines by having a permit.

I'm all about ideas so if this movement becomes popular then we will have to work with our brighter minds to draft the proper words.

On the Anti-Cannabis side the message we need them to understand is that the only thing they can accomplish now is to reduce the dominance of industry. Thus changing the nature of cannabis society for the future.
I'm not sure the best thing for California is to have the people forbidden to grow all they want while some drug company charges an arm and a leg for ganji. Sounds like slavery to me.

What if our California cannabis future looks like the alcohol industry. Billboards and ads that promote usage as a consumable product when growing it yourself is a crime. Is that the canna-Freedom we want?
The Anti-cannabis needs to understand the choice now isn't if but how..
I'm okay with cannabis stores and free choice to grow or buy. Hell if it is affordable and the selection good I may buy new kinds to try regularly even though I can grow all I want or my neighbour can share his with me.

 

[Matt Rize]

So go vote Matt.. Post a nice well thought out no vote post and encourage others to follow your lead.
Simply exposing our human condition on-line has little honour nor accomplishes anything of importance in the name of Cannabis-Freedom.

vote for what? there is no ballot? what the heck are you talking about? some poll... huh?

 

[Matt Rize]

So the idea here is people will be allowed to grow cannabis as long as they have a permit? I think that would get more support from the pro cannabis side. But for the anti cannabis side, the price for the permits would have to be right. I don't think $10 permits for unlimited plants would fly. Maybe something like $100 per 10 plants? And even that is a stretch. Permits would have to be renewed each year.

Of course, this is just talk. It really means nothing unless we have the $$$.

agreed 100%

 

[Matt Rize]

I'm not sure the best thing for California is to have the people forbidden to grow all they want while some drug company charges an arm and a leg for ganji. Sounds like slavery to me.

there are real slaves in the world today, people who are owned like dogs and beaten/raped to death. for shame ernst. your statement here makes us all look bad. knock the lofty BS rhetoric off and come down to earth for a minute.

 

[Matt Rize]

What if our California cannabis future looks like the alcohol industry. Billboards and ads that promote usage as a consumable product when growing it yourself is a crime. Is that the canna-Freedom we want?

have you ever been to home brewing stores? you do know that brewing your own is LEGAL.

 

[Ernst]

have you ever been to home brewing stores? you do know that brewing your own is LEGAL.

The goal of that post was to point out it is possible we will have freedom to buy but not to produce.
Ads for cannabis may encourage consumption and thus encourage abuse in the name of profits while at the same time people will go to jail for producing cannabis.

 

[Matt Rize]

The goal of that post was to point out it is possible we will have freedom to buy but not to produce.
Ads for cannabis may encourage consumption and thus encourage abuse in the name of profits while at the same time people will go to jail for producing cannabis.

I too fear "legalization" will only include commercial production and sales. Do we not currently have the canna right to grow as medical patients? And is that right in danger because of recreational legalization? Let's face it, we as a society are sick and cannabis heals us. We are all patients.

Isn't less people going to jail better than nothing changing at all?

 

[Ernst]

I too fear "legalization" will only include commercial production and sales. Do we not currently have the canna right to grow as medical patients? And is that right in danger because of recreational legalization? Let's face it, we as a society are sick and cannabis heals us. We are all patients.

I thought to talk about corporate over-seers.
Probability states that if it is a possibility sooner or later it will happen:

 

[Matt Rize]

I thought to talk about corporate over-seers.
Probability states that if it is a possibility sooner or later it will happen:

I think somebody is SKY HIGH!!! What's Ernst smoke? I take you for an OG smoker...

What does that first part mean?

 

[Ernst]

I think somebody is SKY HIGH!!! What's Ernst smoke? I take you for an OG smoker...

What does that first part mean?

Define first part. Pls.

 

[redivider]

keep up the 'rights to the people' talk....

i wonder how many first-time offenders got arrested for possesion of marijuana this week in cali....

 

[Matt Rize]

Define first part. Pls.

"I thought to talk about corporate over-seers." What are you saying here?

 

[Chad Sexington]

So the real question is, who the fuck is someone to decide what I put in my own body? All it seems to me Ernst, is people scared of doing a little bit of labour, and you know, healthy compitition.

 

[Ernst]

"I thought to talk about corporate over-seers." What are you saying here?

Corporations have the status of Citizen. They are immortal and have super-human abilities that flesh and blood citizens have.
So Immortal, powerful and active in our political realm.

They become Overseers of the progression of the human race.

No longer do people alone decide the fate or the human race.