cloning off the clones.

[taint]

He was agreeing with you and degrading me ya tard.
Lemme show you this part of the xact c&p I figured ya show.
Clones and clones from clones retain their potency. Single lines have been reproduced asexually by cloning for more than 20 years with no loss of potency or odor/taste
I have seen tremendous diff between clones grown by diff growers in diff gardens but never have I seen any type of mutation or drift within the same setup.
Now show me some goddamn plants that are doing what you claim,I showed mine.

 

[wiseguy316]

Why would I have pictures of jacked up plants? I do not clone forever & ever it isn't a good practice. I like to try new strains. I provided you with what you asked for. Just cause you haven't seen it doesn't mean eventually it won't happen.

 

[phyzix]

Here is something I posted awhile ago that's somewhat relevent

Here is a bit of information from University of California, Berkeley and Towson University:

"Asexual reproduction can be advantageous and/or disadvatageous. One positive aspect is that it can create individuals rapidly and in large quantities. Secondly, bypassing the sexual process can help a plant in times of dryness since motile sperm require water to fertilize the egg. Another advantage lies in the fact that plants with the desired characteristics can be cloned for economic reasons (agriculture). However, if something goes wrong, such as as the occurance of a fatal mutation, the whole society of clones can be terminated. For this reason, farmers are careful in determining how to propagate their vegetation. In conclusion, the asexual process of reproduction is an important one to plants."

Source: http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/glossary/gloss6/asexual.html

"The concept of Muller's Ratchet is really quite simple. Asexual lineages will accumulate mutations independently of each other. Some lineages will have few, if any, mutations, while others will carry a greater number of deleterious mutants. Given that mutation is a pervasive phenomenon, the relative frequency of lineages with no mutations will decrease over time. Furthermore, in a finite population there is a high probability that the mutant-free class will be lost. Given that a succession of "backward" mutations is unlikely, the frequency of deleterious mutations within and among lineages will increase. As a result, using the analogy of a ratchet (a mechanical device that only allows forward movement), the population of asexual lineages will carry a steadily increasing load of deleterious mutations."

Source: http://pages.towson.edu/scully/sex.html

 

[wiseguy316]

He was agreeing with you and degrading me ya tard.
Lemme show you this part of the xact c&p I figured ya show.
Clones and clones from clones retain their potency. Single lines have been reproduced asexually by cloning for more than 20 years with no loss of potency or odor/taste
I have seen tremendous diff between clones grown by diff growers in diff gardens but never have I seen any type of mutation or drift within the same setup.
Now show me some goddamn plants that are doing what you claim,I showed mine.

My original post stated this would take a really long time, and it has been proven that problems will occur eventually. Since you are so smart, you should read up on etiquette. Clueless and tard are great examples.

 

[hoagtech]

No the more generations you clone the more your plants have a tendency to herm. I cant prove it. but ive experieneced it personally. After 4 generations of g-13 They all started faggin the place up. This could be because I didnt change my lights out like I normally do every year. Or it could've been the new reservoir we installed getting high temps, but I am damn well convinced it was because we took clones off our veg stage for 4 years instead of growing a mother.

 

[canndo]

I wonder if there isn't some sort of adaptation. I can understand sucessive generations being true to type when in nature. But if you have a cutting from a plant that was started from seed in 1988 then effectively that cutting and the plant it grows from is 23 years old, in other words cells have reproduced far far longer than the genetics of the plant were adapted for. Now suppose that plant and it's sucession of cuttings have always been in hydro and always been under artificial light, would the plant never adapt to those conditions or finally show evidence of some sort of fatigue?

 

[taint]

I have seen zero change in either plant other than going from the seedling stage through full maturity when first started.
I have seen zero loss of anything,if anything it got better as it got dialed in.
I attribute that to improving garden conditions and not the genetic makeup of the plant.
You guys can c&p all ya want and it does have a place in the quest for knowledge.
When you use it to argue a point with someone who has actual experience while you yerself do not............let's just say I understand the nearly utter lack of experienced growers on this forum.
Theories and opinions are awesome but they remain just theory opinion until put through the realities of..................well,reality.
Good luck on yer theoretical quest for a sustainable line of quality genetics.

 

[Cheech Bong]

Taint,

Let me ask you a few questions. I agree with both sides because it is logical and easy to see that both can happen.

Question #1: How do you test your potency?
Question #2: Why would you argue opinion?
Question #3: Why would you argue something that you know the opposition can and will not prove?

I read your other post and you keep saying that you are not a "know it all" but for some reason every post in here I get the vibe that you think your stuff don't stink. I just think it is funny that you are ripping into someone that is giving their "opinion" and then you give yours and for some strange reason your OPINON is right!

The original OP got his question answered /thread

 

[DaGrapeApe]

I skipped a lot of bickering.

The fact that gentic mutations CAN happen, does not mean it is the norm or will happen.

 

[Alex Kelly]

No the more generations you clone the more your plants have a tendency to herm. I cant prove it. but ive experieneced it personally. After 4 generations of g-13 They all started faggin the place up. This could be because I didnt change my lights out like I normally do every year. Or it could've been the new reservoir we installed getting high temps, but I am damn well convinced it was because we took clones off our veg stage for 4 years instead of growing a mother.

OR your plants aquired a fatal genetic mutation, which caused your plants to hermie. Something determined genetically made them fag the place up.

 

[Alex Kelly]

Here is something I posted awhile ago that's somewhat relevent

Even with all the terribly juvenile arguing going on, (Why do you feel the NEED to make other people think how or what you think? If you think that you know better that is all that should matter. Not weather the other guy thinks the same thing as you or not.?) this is a great thread. I have researched this topic alot and had always come to the conclusion that there would not be any degredation or change from "generation" to generation of cannabis plant. I have to admit that now, I think that this change from clone to clone may be a possibility (most likely would eventually occur how long I do not know). That being said, I have still not seen any evidence to convince me that this is a relevent problem to any cannabis grower. It seems that it would just take too long for these mutations to occur and/or be present. In other words I wouldnt worry about this problem effecting any of us.

 

[Alex Kelly]

There's another thread going on about this right now. Please do not go in there and stir shit up.

https://www.rollitup.org/advanced-marijuana-cultivation/331397-any-existing-evidence-clones-upon.html

 

[taint]

Taint,

Let me ask you a few questions. I agree with both sides because it is logical and easy to see that both can happen.

Question #1: How do you test your potency?
Question #2: Why would you argue opinion?
Question #3: Why would you argue something that you know the opposition can and will not prove?

I read your other post and you keep saying that you are not a "know it all" but for some reason every post in here I get the vibe that you think your stuff don't stink. I just think it is funny that you are ripping into someone that is giving their "opinion" and then you give yours and for some strange reason your OPINON is right!

The original OP got his question answered /thread

#1 I smoke it.
#2 I enjoy doing it and occasionally I learn something.
#3 See #2.
I am not a hippy so that's prolly why the whole vibe things skewed,I guess I am more used to a blunter posting style instead of"dude yer plants look great" when they look like shit or "I read somewhere" or "my boyz say" when alls someone wants is a straight,simple answer.
There's always the ignore option,then it's a non issue regards my vibe.......................dude.