Tons of brown junk in my res

[hellraizer30]

Im going to say it and I know im going to get fraged for it but I had that same shit and there was only one thing that killed it and
it was bleach plain old uncented clorox bleach at 7 drops per gal and problem solved. I tryed great white and all the zymes shit
and a $5 bottle of bleach was way better than $100s

 

[Serapis]

And as an added bonus, I love the taste of bleach. ;p

that sounds like a good plan HR! Thanks!!

 

[sexbobomb]

Yeah I would venture to say that my res is very oxygenated, but maybe the water temp is too high, I will check it when I buy a thermometer.

I've read all about bleach, but aren't you not supposed to use that in organic systems? I'm using fox farm.

I just don't understand why all this popped up overnight, immediately after I started using hygrozyme. Before that, the res was always clean. Then 24 hours after adding hygrozyme, it's a war-zone in my tank. And micmart saying he had this same thing and produced fantastic buds. Very confused.

 

[Dee Welch]

Yeah I would venture to say that my res is very oxygenated, but maybe the water temp is too high, I will check it when I buy a thermometer.

I've read all about bleach, but aren't you not supposed to use that in organic systems? I'm using fox farm.

I just don't understand why all this popped up overnight, immediately after I started using hygrozyme. Before that, the res was always clean. Then 24 hours after adding hygrozyme, it's a war-zone in my tank. And micmart saying he had this same thing and produced fantastic buds. Very confused.

Yes, organics + sterilizing agents are a no-no and would be completely counter-productive. Organics NEED micobes to break the organics down into the basic chemicals that you find in traditional "chemical" nutrients.

And from what I understand hygrozyme is a mixture of enzymes that beneficial bacterial would produce, but doesn't actually contain any bennies (which is why it can be used in organic OR inorganic systems). So (really dumbed down version) it breaks down organic material into "food" but doesn't provide any organisms to "eat" it so instead the algae gets a buffet. Heisenberg explains it well in his thread, and is a real helpful dude if you want to ask him questions. ((https://www.rollitup.org/dwc-bubbleponics/361430-how-breed-your-own-beneficial.html)) The knowledge I gained convinced me organics in hydro were too much work for no real benefit.

 

[Heisenberg]

Yeah I would venture to say that my res is very oxygenated, but maybe the water temp is too high, I will check it when I buy a thermometer.

I've read all about bleach, but aren't you not supposed to use that in organic systems? I'm using fox farm.

I just don't understand why all this popped up overnight, immediately after I started using hygrozyme. Before that, the res was always clean. Then 24 hours after adding hygrozyme, it's a war-zone in my tank. And micmart saying he had this same thing and produced fantastic buds. Very confused.

You simply need to cultivate a microbe population in your water, drop the hygrozyme, switch to synthetic nutes, and your problem will go away. You may be okay staying with your nutes+microbes but organics in a DWC can be a lot of work.

 

[sexbobomb]

I should have mentioned in the beginning that I am using a flood & drain system, not dwc.

I spent about $250 on these fox farm nutrients, I bought 2.5L of each solution, so I'd love it if that wasn't a waste. Can I just stop using hygrozyme, but keep using fox farm? And should I still make the microbe tea, Heisenberg, even though I'm in a flood & drain system? Thanks a lot.

 

[Serapis]

Fox Farms is NOT an organic nutrient line. I own the 3 part and the solubles and they are far from organic. They do contain some organic byproducts, but those are processed for their nutrients in the manufacturing process. There is nothing in Fox Farms nutes that will go bad or rot if left to sit, except in the Big Bloom liquid... This comes From Fox Farms site.....

"[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]We do offer some fertilizers with mineral-based, time-release ingredients that are not classified as organic. [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]These include American Pride® and Marine Cuisine® fertilizers, Tiger Bloom® and Grow Big® liquids, and our soluble products like Cha Ching®, Beastie Bloomz®, and Open Sesame®. "
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[Serapis]

You can use your big bloom for seedlings, clones, etc.... Just keep it out of your res if you want to use bleach or H2O2.

 

[Heisenberg]

I should have mentioned in the beginning that I am using a flood & drain system, not dwc.

I spent about $250 on these fox farm nutrients, I bought 2.5L of each solution, so I'd love it if that wasn't a waste. Can I just stop using hygrozyme, but keep using fox farm? And should I still make the microbe tea, Heisenberg, even though I'm in a flood & drain system? Thanks a lot.

If your nutes are not organic then keep using them. Drop the hygrozyme and maintain proper res maintenance and the gunk should clear up. If it doesn't, microbes are worth a try.

 

[hellraizer30]

I had the same shit and microbes didnt help with nothing just let it get worse waiting to see a change and my PH was off the charts there was
no way to stablize it. now with the way I manage my res its 5.8 never changes not even by a point

 

[micmart3000]

I dont think this has anything to due with your nutrient brand. Most likely it is just a reaction between the ingredients. Rather than start changing stuff right away this could be a good issue to take the wait and see approach on. After all if your plants are not showing any signs of stress then they are happy regardless of the stench. The good thing about running flood systems is that the res and roots can be flushed instantly if you suspect an issue. That is the conclusion I came to with this same issue last time. Do I want to run off and buy every magic cure they sell or wait and see theeffect the supposed problem is having on my crop. Im glad I waited.
You have already changed out your res so you know that whatever is causing it is in the ingredients and not latent in the reserviore. So have a bowl sit back and watch what happens, then adjust accordingly!

 

[hellraizer30]

I dont think this has anything to due with your nutrient brand. Most likely it is just a reaction between the ingredients. Rather than start changing stuff right away this could be a good issue to take the wait and see approach on. After all if your plants are not showing any signs of stress then they are happy regardless of the stench. The good thing about running flood systems is that the res and roots can be flushed instantly if you suspect an issue. That is the conclusion I came to with this same issue last time. Do I want to run off and buy every magic cure they sell or wait and see theeffect the supposed problem is having on my crop. Im glad I waited.
You have already changed out your res so you know that whatever is causing it is in the ingredients and not latent in the reserviore. So have a bowl sit back and watch what happens, then adjust accordingly!

I would advise against taking the wait to see!! reason for this is the PH swings with that bateria growing in there I saw my PH swing from 5.8 to 7.0 over night
so good luck with that, I dont want to seem harsh but I fear a nute lock up. just use the bleach at 6 to 7 drops per gal every three days, when all signs are gone
move to a H202 29% 7ML per gal every three days as pro active. or just wait and see what will happen.

 

[micmart3000]

I would advise against taking the wait to see!! reason for this is the PH swings with that bateria growing in there I saw my PH swing from 5.8 to 7.0 over night
so good luck with that, I dont want to seem harsh but I fear a nute lock up. just use the bleach at 6 to 7 drops per gal every three days, when all signs are gone
move to a H202 29% 7ML per gal every three days as pro active. or just wait and see what will happen.

By wait and see I merely mean to not run out and buy the first thing people recommend. In my initial post I recommended H202 but others recommended trying different products. I have been down that road and spent a lot of dough just because I got scared. Often the best solution is the cheapest and probably available in your house. He did a res change but did not report back about the Ph level stability. I am totally in agreement with you that the best way to manage it is H202 / Bleach.

 

[hellraizer30]

By wait and see I merely mean to not run out and buy the first thing people recommend. In my initial post I recommended H202 but others recommended trying different products. I have been down that road and spent a lot of dough just because I got scared. Often the best solution is the cheapest and probably available in your house. He did a res change but did not report back about the Ph level stability. I am totally in agreement with you that the best way to manage it is H202 / Bleach.

just a mis under standing sinse we are on the same page hopefully he makes the right choise and doesnt go spend a shit load of $

 

[Dee Welch]

By wait and see I merely mean to not run out and buy the first thing people recommend. In my initial post I recommended H202 but others recommended trying different products. I have been down that road and spent a lot of dough just because I got scared. Often the best solution is the cheapest and probably available in your house. He did a res change but did not report back about the Ph level stability. I am totally in agreement with you that the best way to manage it is H202 / Bleach.

First off I agree 100% about not running out and giving the hydro stores more money on products that don't even list their ingredients. There are a million products out there looking to cash in on dumb stoners. And everyone knows somebody that had a buddy that used some magic shit that made them yield pounds of potent buds off a single plant. Whatever.

The problem is that he will have to omit one part of the Fox Farm three part system (the Big Bloom) or switch nutrient lines in order to use H2O2 or bleach. And he just dropped a grip of cash on the trio, so he's trying to find a way to continue using them. I feel his pain as I did the same thing myself. I was determined to use the trio since I had spent so much money on it. Then once I looked into how much it cost to manage pathogens organically (not to mention the hassle), I realized it was cheaper to suck it up and buy new nutes so I could run H2O2. My soil growing buddy was happy to take the Fox Farm off my hands, my reservoir is stable, and my roots look great.

Either way, I'd love to get an update. I hope he figured something out.

 

[hellraizer30]

well If he went ahead and used the three part fox farm nutes and used the H202 then the only thing he loses
is the bennys right? well if he switchs to a inorganic brand x or whatever and uses H202 he is still losing any
bennys there to so, use the ff and h202 and when you run out change up nute brands. seems simple
enough maybe im rong?

 

[Dee Welch]

well If he went ahead and used the three part fox farm nutes and used the H202 then the only thing he loses
is the bennys right? well if he switchs to a inorganic brand x or whatever and uses H202 he is still losing any
bennys there to so, use the ff and h202 and when you run out change up nute brands. seems simple
enough maybe im rong?

From my research (and I can't stress enough that I'm not an expert), H2O2 is completely incompatible with organic nutes. H2O2 destroys all organic nutrient matter AND the beneficial bacteria required to break them down into usable chemicals. So basically if he puts in H2O2 (or bleach) in his system as is, the organic nutrients will be rendered useless giving him potential nute deficiencies, plus the H2O2 (which has a short half life as pointed out before) will break down as it "attacks" the organic nutrients and won't have a chance to fight the pathogens causing the "funk" in the first place.

 

[hellraizer30]

From my research (and I can't stress enough that I'm not an expert), H2O2 is completely incompatible with organic nutes. H2O2 destroys all organic nutrient matter AND the beneficial bacteria required to break them down into usable chemicals. So basically if he puts in H2O2 (or bleach) in his system as is, the organic nutrients will be rendered useless giving him potential nute deficiencies, plus the H2O2 (which has a short half life as pointed out before) will break down as it "attacks" the organic nutrients and won't have a chance to fight the pathogens causing the "funk" in the first place.

gotcha, now not sure if it was in this thread or another somewhone said FF isnt a true organic in fact its a inorganic and the only part that is one of the three part system,
maybe the grow big either way he could stop useing that and get a substatute and that would be cheaper! im not a expert on FF, why I use advanced nutes. I do know
this without bleach and H202 his issue will not go away till he breaks the system down and cleans it 100% with bleach/h202.

 

[Dee Welch]

gotcha, now not sure if it was in this thread or another somewhone said FF isnt a true organic in fact its a inorganic and the only part that is one of the three part system,
maybe the grow big either way he could stop useing that and get a substatute and that would be cheaper! im not a expert on FF, why I use advanced nutes. I do know
this without bleach and H202 his issue will not go away till he breaks the system down and cleans it 100% with bleach/h202.

It's the Big Bloom that's the problem. From their site

"[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica]This odorless, liquid fertilizer is a live culture of vitamins, amino acids, natural growth hormones, enzymes, and beneficial organic microbes. Our special, micro-brewed formula incorporates earthworm castings, bat guano and other high test organic ingredients that offer a full, balanced range of nutrients."

Although, now that I'm reading the Tiger Bloom it says

"[/FONT]In addition to containing critical trace minerals, we brew our liquid fertilizer with earthworm castings and kelp meal for a biologically active formula[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica]."

So while the Tiger Bloom may not be "organic" it is "biologically active" which I think means that the H2O2 will react with it as well.

So, the Grow Big seems the be the only part of the Fox Farm trio that you can use H2O2 with, and at 3-2-6 it won't support flowering on it's own. (The Tiger Bloom is 2-8-4) http://www.foxfarmfertilizer.com/products_liqfert2.html

Like I said, I scrapped the Fox Farm so I could run H2O2. But I had only invested $50 on them. This guy has a few hundred tied up in them.


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[hellraizer30]

well the only thing I can think of is to lower the temp bellow where this bactira can live, try useing 1 litre bottles frozen and rotate evey day from rez
to freezer.