Barney's Farm Tangerine Dream Ebb & Flow MicroGarden Grow T5 New Wave Lights

weedlingsprout

weedlingsprout

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Serapis said:
Glad to hear you are having some success. I've decided to give the seeds another go. one had a exposed tap that was turning brown, so it got trashed. I can't really call the others DOA yet, because apparantly it can take some time for troubled seeds to germinate.

Weedlingsprout, you are more than welcome to rep attitude here or in any other thread if that is how you feel. I felt that way once about Attitude myself, until I found other vendors that will replace a lost shipment without some crazy "guarantee" fee. My last purchase was 20 seeds, regs, free shipping. AND they came shipped VERY stealthy at no extra cost. All of the seeds were big and mature with spots, no pales or small BF TD shit. My TD seeds were tiny. They came spilling out of the BF pack quite easily. they were pale in color and I was suspicious of them from the get go. I hope you never have a reason to change your opinion of the Tude.
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My BF TD's were also small and pale, i just thought that was norm from this breeder of seeds as the Vanilla Kush was also small and pale. The White Widow Big Bud was smaill but nice and brown but they popped the day after the BF seeds.
 
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faithfulmastiff

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Hiya Serapis, sorry to hear of ya pain with the germinating, i been keeping up with post, cos i was awaiting my TD babies, got a buddy of mine in the netherlands to mail them to me, got the TD & Utopia Haze, was gonna grow them 2 of each side by side, my babies arived today, fukkin yayyyyyyyy, so exited, pray for me dude, i been prayin for yours to crack, oh i been told to soak my rockwool cubes in a 5.3 PH solution, you had mentioned you used a 7 PH, the 3.3 is needed to disolve the reidue lime from production, thats fron grodans website, hope it helps, off i go to soak my babbies... fingers crossed

Peace
 
Serapis

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weedlingsprout said:
My BF TD's were also small and pale, i just thought that was norm from this breeder of seeds as the Vanilla Kush was also small and pale. The White Widow Big Bud was smaill but nice and brown but they popped the day after the BF seeds.
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I just popped open a pack of Vanilla Kush from BF this last Monday and they were anything but small and pale. They were big and had the proper looking spotting. I had seeds cracking open in just a few hours in water so I know those seeds are viable. I'd be wary of any small BF VK seeds....

faithfulmastiff said:
Hiya Serapis, sorry to hear of ya pain with the germinating, i been keeping up with post, cos i was awaiting my TD babies, got a buddy of mine in the netherlands to mail them to me, got the TD & Utopia Haze, was gonna grow them 2 of each side by side, my babies arived today, fukkin yayyyyyyyy, so exited, pray for me dude, i been prayin for yours to crack, oh i been told to soak my rockwool cubes in a 5.3 PH solution, you had mentioned you used a 7 PH, the 3.3 is needed to disolve the reidue lime from production, thats fron grodans website, hope it helps, off i go to soak my babbies... fingers crossed

Peace
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I'll keep my fingers crossed for ya!! Good job!

As for the PH, 7.0 is my goal for seeds in an inert medium. I draw water up from the rockwool using a pipette and I read the PH that way. My actual PH'ing to obtain 7.0 drawn through the cube might be 4.5 or 5.0. I didn't want to state earlier that I use PH of 4.5 water, because then someone else would have questioned that and I would have to explain myself then, like I'm doing now.... Since an obvious explanation is in order, let me give you a quick run down of how I PH water for Rockwool cubes. I start with water at a PH of 5.5 and soak the cubes. I draw water from a cube using a pipette or syringe, depending on whats clean and right in front of me. I then eject that water into a jigger and take a PH reading. Usually it will be too high and I'll drop the solution a bit again, and squeeze all of the wet cubes so the water will mix and they can soak up the lower PH.

When I stated I used PH of 7.0, I was referring to soaking seeds in an attempt to germinate.

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guess im not buying those, well I noticed bc GOD BUD is back in stock woot!!
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I've actually heard that the second/third batch of seeds released are fresher and more viable. However, I'm still seeing some weird looking plants. This strain is far from refined and I see why they won't sell regular seeds of it yet. Some of the plants I've seen look mutant, including the one that was posted up here yesterday by another reader. I love oranges and was excited to read the description on this strain. It's more hype than fact so far.
 
Sr. Verde

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My tangerine dreams are going sloooow in their party cups.

They seem to be over the stress of topping now, and working on 2 tops each :).

Putting them in 3.5 gals with FFOF today
 

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Serapis

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Hold off on transplanting those man, they look to be in awful stress... :( You have any superThrive there?

Sr. Verde said:
My tangerine dreams are going sloooow in their party cups.

They seem to be over the stress of topping now, and working on 2 tops each :).

Putting them in 3.5 gals with FFOF today
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Sr. Verde

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Serapis said:
Hold off on transplanting those man, they look to be in awful stress... :( You have any superThrive there?
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The pics were from yesterday, less than 24 hours after the topping ;)

I HAVE superthrive, but I'm not using it... I've never used it, so don't know how to use properly (at what times, how much, issues with too much etc.) So I figured i'd do fine without it this grow.. figure it's more for hydroponics


I'll go check on them now... I know it seems early to transplant.. but they aren't going to do much else in that 20oz...
 
Serapis

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I was more concerned about the plant undergoing more stress so soon. If it were me, I'd add 2-3 drops of superthrive to about a qt of water along with a few drops of Shultz PLant food and lightly water. ST has B1 and hormones. It is Excellent for relieving plants of stress. I use it every time I transplant. I also use it when the plants look rough. You'll be amazed....
 
Sr. Verde

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Serapis said:
I was more concerned about the plant undergoing more stress so soon. If it were me, I'd add 2-3 drops of superthrive to about a qt of water along with a few drops of Shultz PLant food and lightly water. ST has B1 and hormones. It is Excellent for relieving plants of stress. I use it every time I transplant. I also use it when the plants look rough. You'll be amazed....
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Hmm. Ok, I think I will try it..

Only problem is they are all good and watered now, most of them take 2-3 days to drink all their water.. where the good one takes about a day and a half..

Would it be a good idea to water with superthrive RIGHT before I transfer them? I like to water my plants soil before transplant, so everything holds together, and pops out easy.


Also I can transplant in about 4-5 hours.. HALF way into their light schedule... or I can transplant tomorrow, closer to when the lights turn on.. what do you think serapis? Any other suggestions also taken :-P

I know they look sort of like shit, but notice the new tops coming in, look at those. I think that's just the first set of leaves coming this long & looking so shitty... also thinking they are beginning to curl downwards from the small pot.

The fan leaves and second set of leaves looked VERY normal on all of them but - I was topping for two tops so had to remove that growth


LOL @ the one in the back, the first set had 3 leaves :?
 

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Serapis

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They'll live, but hold off on transplant, please trust me on that. The roots have plenty of room to grow atm. There are drain holes on bottom of those containers? You say they take 2-3 days to drink their water? they aren't sagging from container size, I can promise that. It looks to be more a drainage or too much water issue. I'd make sure bottoms are draining well, then water again with ST and let them drain out a bit and then make sure they are not in standing water, but a dry tray, and don't water for 4-5 days.

I promise they'll look a lot better
 
Sr. Verde

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Serapis said:
They'll live, but hold off on transplant, please trust me on that. The roots have plenty of room to grow atm. There are drain holes on bottom of those containers? You say they take 2-3 days to drink their water? they aren't sagging from container size, I can promise that. It looks to be more a drainage or too much water issue. I'd make sure bottoms are draining well, then water again with ST and let them drain out a bit and then make sure they are not in standing water, but a dry tray, and don't water for 4-5 days.

I promise they'll look a lot better
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Oh yeah no doubt... They were a little to wet at the start, which is why they were dropping. They were all growing at different rates, and my primary plant drinks twice as fast, so that kind of messed the watering up a bit.

They chill in that dry trey, there are drain holes, quite a few... the mix is 20% perlite, 80% ffof.

I know they are sagging a bit, but I'm not too worried about that. Notice the one in the back with the weird pheno? That one is starting to sit back up as they should all be doing. I haven't watered in 3 days on the little guys, I just watered the prime one the other day... The soil was dried out..
 
Sr. Verde

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This is more of what I consider them running out of space.. if you notice the soil is just beginning to dry out... So this guy hasn't been completely saturated or anything... Just curling like that, and the others are beginning to curl at the tips downwards





It's this Barneys Farms :lol: weird ass genetics, smells fantastic though so I got no problem fiddling a bit more :)




edit: I've blazed and since relaxed


I'll meet you half way serapis... I'll give them another day for recovery and then transplant to 3.5 gals tomorrow afternoon. Sound good? :D

They should be fine, personally I think they'd be cool if I did them today.. But I feel where your coming from, and will go with you a little on this one.. I think they should have zero issues tomorrow

I think I am just going to water with Root 66 (kelp additive) and a couple drops of SuperThrive /L of h2o before/after transplant (to saturate new soil)
 

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kidgraphix

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I think Serapis is right on this one Verde TechnaFlora recommends a 24 hr presoak with B1 green ThriveAlive prior to transplanting If it were me i would go with either formula but also add a night in a humidity dome that will relieve stress of the roots and leaves and they will firm up nice the root66 after transplant is also a good move maybe add humic acid or bonemeal Jobe's jump start is great and like 5 bucks for 4lb bag also has Hychs and biozome formula forr root structure it only takes like 1/2 tsp for 3gal pot bag has mixing directions
 
Sr. Verde

Sr. Verde

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kidgraphix said:
I think Serapis is right on this one Verde TechnaFlora recommends a 24 hr presoak with B1 green ThriveAlive prior to transplanting If it were me i would go with either formula but also add a night in a humidity dome that will relieve stress of the roots and leaves and they will firm up nice the root66 after transplant is also a good move maybe add humic acid or bonemeal Jobe's jump start is great and like 5 bucks for 4lb bag also has Hychs and biozome formula forr root structure it only takes like 1/2 tsp for 3gal pot bag has mixing directions
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That's some good info.. However I've never had issues with transplanting... mind you in soil..

They just droop for a half day/day and come back up strong as ever.

Adding the Root66 alone is a step towards something new for ME... But the root 66 makes sense because of all those good kelp hormones to promote cell division and plain old root growth when watered right into the soil.. Or so I have been reading in some old RIU kelp threads :) Will find out myself


Good info on the pre-soak though.
 
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faithfulmastiff

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TD babies still floating in my shot glass, 3 hours & it's like they sitting on the surface of the water, the Utopia Haze sank like a brick, distilled water with few drops of B1 green, ebb n flo patiently waiting ....lol
 
eyecandi

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I'm with Serapis, wait. those cups can hold plants up to @ 8-12" tall before really needing a transplant. wait until the rootball is a little more established, it will ease any shock and allow the plant to explode in growth once transplanted. transplanting at this stage will slow down growth a bit (roots are still delicate and small, transplanting disturbs and breaks them) and may cause additional issues.

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