Bonzi Lighthouse
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Yeah that JH looks almost done.
What ever the problem was looks like you fixed it.
I'm about 2 weeks behind you:
What ever the problem was looks like you fixed it.
I'm about 2 weeks behind you:
First Grow! Sealed/Closed Room, 2400 watts, CO2, Mini-Split AC, SmartPots, Dehum!
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xivex
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Yeah I've done loads of research on THC/CBD/CBN and other cannabinoids and the interaction between such compounds...I find it fascinating quite frankly..science is just beginning to understand this. Totally agree about the THC and CBN....plus my humboldt bud said "Amber?!? NO!" When I asked him about harvest windows...he said really its best if you know the strain and know the days it needs, but other than that, milky is the way to go, not amber, at least not a lot, a tiny tiny bit, sure...as you said!I like mostly cloudy with a hint of amber then I chop...the amber IMHHO is thc degradation and I want all my thc...not cbn
Sure are looking awesome my friend... very impressed by your job well done...
Now the hard part is beginning...
Namaste'
Not the best job, but wtf right it was my first attempt. And I made lots of mistakes.. no surprise (I am a stoner after all.. lol). Thanks for the compliments my friend. I certainly wouldn't have made it this far without the help of wonderful RIU'ers like you, Bonzi, and LF..
Yeah honestly it could be burn or deficiency I'm no expert and at this point I could fucking care less!
I just want me buds to finish up! Your plants are getting some super wooliness to them Bonzi! Very hairy like an old Russian..
NIIIIICCCEE! Thanks guys,
X
legallyflying
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DUDE! Turn that shit OFF or at least below 600!! High concentrations of co2 can reduce potency in the last two weeks. It's also likely that it's a big reason for late maturity. Co2 inhibits the production of ethylene, which is a big factor in fruit ripening.
You know the saying one bad apple spoils the whole bunch? The rotting apple is giving off shit loads of ethylene
Illumination
New Member
HELLO RIU!
Update! Day 50 Flowering, Day 110 Total...
So today is day 50 of flowering my LSDs and my sole Jock Horror. Everything is going okay, I believe the "burn" I saw was actually most likely a Phosphorous (P) Deficiency as the purplish/reddish spots that originally looked like a cal-mag deficiency now have crisped many leaves up and purpled stems and I believe it was probably due to UNDER FEEDING, NOT BURN. Live and learn, next cycle will be better!
Anyhow, my Jock Horror is VERY VERY CLOSE to being done and getting the chop!
3 pics of my Jock Horror..how long till chop? She's supposed to be 55-60 days, and today is day 50...
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Random Pics of Misc. LSD Buds and Colas...still not near ready.. Calyxes have begun to swell, hairs still white....
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Group Shots of the room now...see the "burn" ? I think it was most likely a deficiency as I haven't fed anything over 900 ppm yet....so hard to believe its burn..
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THOUGHTS? COMMENTS? IDEAS?
Thanks RIU!
X
Do you have any short bushey LSD? I see they are much stronger than the sativa type as far as feedings,ect.
Illumination
New Member
Cool Im curious what the short bushey Mazar pheno does on yield, I have two of them.
I have two of those, did you finish that one out yet?
xivex
Active Member
Update! Day 51 Flowering, Day 111 Total...
So today following LF and Lumi's great advice (Thanks guys!), I lowered the temps a few degrees so the night time temps will be around 71-72F (will have to see what the Sentinel CHHC-4 reports in a day or two)....and set the CO2 ppm down to 400 ppm (slightly above ambient).
I flushed the Jock Horror (3 gal smart pot) with 9 gallons of RO water with only 15 mL of CLEAREX, pH'd to 6.4pH. Everything went great with the flush. I scoped a nice looking sugar leaf from the main cola to see where the trichs are at...still mostly clear/cloudy, no amber really to speak of (maybe saw one amber trich)..so I think its got at least a few days left...thinking I'll check it Wednesday to see if Thursday AM harvest is good, or if not, give it one more plain watering and check for Saturday harvest. Plan on harvesting about 30 mins before "lights on". I won't be able to do the dark period with the Jock Horror as I still have 7 LSDs in the room that need the light, and getting it out of the room without chopping would just break all kinds of branches at this point...so whatev. Dark period for the LSDs, but not the Jock Horror...
Anyhow, I also noticed the the 10/14 light schedule and the lessened CO2 (had decreased it the last few days before dropping it to 400ppm today) DID IN FACT seem to help ripen the LSDs somewhat. Other than the 3 sativa phenos that are super tall and lanky and probably at least a week behind the other LSDs, the non-sativa phenos are looking closer! The calyxes are really swelling and the hairs are still white, but I'm starting to see HINTS of color in them and they are receeding slowly so I think we'll start to see the LSD hairs color up in the next week or so..
So things are going great! ONE LOVE TO YOU ALL! I'M SUPER HAPPY TODAY AND CAN'T WAIT TO HARVEST THE JOCK!
THOUGHTS? IDEAS? COMMENTS?
THANKS RIU!
X
So today following LF and Lumi's great advice (Thanks guys!), I lowered the temps a few degrees so the night time temps will be around 71-72F (will have to see what the Sentinel CHHC-4 reports in a day or two)....and set the CO2 ppm down to 400 ppm (slightly above ambient).
I flushed the Jock Horror (3 gal smart pot) with 9 gallons of RO water with only 15 mL of CLEAREX, pH'd to 6.4pH. Everything went great with the flush. I scoped a nice looking sugar leaf from the main cola to see where the trichs are at...still mostly clear/cloudy, no amber really to speak of (maybe saw one amber trich)..so I think its got at least a few days left...thinking I'll check it Wednesday to see if Thursday AM harvest is good, or if not, give it one more plain watering and check for Saturday harvest. Plan on harvesting about 30 mins before "lights on". I won't be able to do the dark period with the Jock Horror as I still have 7 LSDs in the room that need the light, and getting it out of the room without chopping would just break all kinds of branches at this point...so whatev. Dark period for the LSDs, but not the Jock Horror...
Anyhow, I also noticed the the 10/14 light schedule and the lessened CO2 (had decreased it the last few days before dropping it to 400ppm today) DID IN FACT seem to help ripen the LSDs somewhat. Other than the 3 sativa phenos that are super tall and lanky and probably at least a week behind the other LSDs, the non-sativa phenos are looking closer! The calyxes are really swelling and the hairs are still white, but I'm starting to see HINTS of color in them and they are receeding slowly so I think we'll start to see the LSD hairs color up in the next week or so..
So things are going great! ONE LOVE TO YOU ALL!
I'M SUPER HAPPY TODAY AND CAN'T WAIT TO HARVEST THE JOCK! THOUGHTS? IDEAS? COMMENTS?
THANKS RIU!
X
BrandonT
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The right time is cloudy, waiting for amber is to long unless you want a couchlock more sleepy stone, lots of people love this stone but if you want a more upper high with the highest thc content you should harvest
when you start to see cloudy its the peak thc levels, from now on the thc will start to degrade producing
cbn (CBN:
cannabinol - a degradation product of THC, produces a depressant effect, ‘fuzzy’ forehead)
and CBD
(CBD: cannabidiol - previously believed to be psychoactive, or to contribute to the high by interacting with other cannabinoids, conversely the most recent research indicates that CBD has negligible effect on the high, it is however a strong anti-inflammatory, and may take the edge off some THC effects, such as anxiety. CBD as a non-psychoactive cannabinoid appears to be helpful for many medical conditions. CBD biosynthesizes into cannabinol (CBN) & tetrahydrocannabinol (THC).
While you may be increasing the total THC level in the bud by allowing half of the glands to go opaque, the bud will also have a larger percentage of THC breakdown products such as CBN, which is why some people choose to harvest earlier while most of the secretory cavities are still clear.
the fact that you picked sativas makes me think you would like an upper high, more then a relaxing sleepy high
if your wife wanted one indica let that one amber, guessing as thats the sleepy high she wanted
for the sativas i reccomend harvesting if the high you want is a social, happy upper
when you start to see cloudy its the peak thc levels, from now on the thc will start to degrade producing
cbn (CBN:
cannabinol - a degradation product of THC, produces a depressant effect, ‘fuzzy’ forehead)
and CBD
(CBD: cannabidiol - previously believed to be psychoactive, or to contribute to the high by interacting with other cannabinoids, conversely the most recent research indicates that CBD has negligible effect on the high, it is however a strong anti-inflammatory, and may take the edge off some THC effects, such as anxiety. CBD as a non-psychoactive cannabinoid appears to be helpful for many medical conditions. CBD biosynthesizes into cannabinol (CBN) & tetrahydrocannabinol (THC).
While you may be increasing the total THC level in the bud by allowing half of the glands to go opaque, the bud will also have a larger percentage of THC breakdown products such as CBN, which is why some people choose to harvest earlier while most of the secretory cavities are still clear.
the fact that you picked sativas makes me think you would like an upper high, more then a relaxing sleepy high
if your wife wanted one indica let that one amber, guessing as thats the sleepy high she wanted
for the sativas i reccomend harvesting if the high you want is a social, happy upper
legallyflying
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Xivex, If you want some serious botanical knowledge about harvest and what the fuck is going on inside the plant. Grab a beer, a note book and navigate over to this link.
http://www.greenmanspage.com/guides/botany.html#Chapter 4 - Maturation and Harvesting of Cannabis
Then you can get high and talk about poly chained hydrocarbons and the cycle of hydroxyl group conversion to CBD and THC. I mean, if your stoner friends want to know if UV light will produce more THC then all you have to say is....
"Some work that Raphael Mechoulam has done centered around the role of ultraviolet light in the bio-synthesis of THC acids and minor cannabinoids. In the laboratory, Mechoulam has converted CBD acid to THC acids by exposing a solution of CBD acid in n-hexane to ultraviolet light of 235-285 nm. for up to 48 hours. This reaction uses atmospheric oxygen molecules (02) and is irreversible; however, the yield of the conversion is only about 15% THC acid, and some of the products formed in the laboratory experiment do not occur in living specimens. Four types of isomers or slight variations of THC acids (THCA) exist. Both Delta1-THCA and Delta6-THCA are naturally occurring isomers of THCA resulting from the positions of the double bond on carbon 1 or carbon 6 of the geraniol portion of the molecule They have approximately the same psychoactive effect; however, Delta1-THC acid is about four times more prevalent than Delta6-THC acid in most strains. Also Alpha and Beta forms of Delta1-THC acid and Delta6-THC acid exist as a result of the juxtaposition of the hydrogen (H) and the carboxyl (COOH) groups on the olivetolic acid portion of the molecule It is suspected that the psychoactivity of the a and ~ forms of the THC acid molecules probably does not vary, but this has not been proven. Subtle differences in psychoactivity not detected in animals by laboratory instruments, but often discussed by marijuana aficionados, could be attributed to additional synergistic effects of the four isomers of THC acid. Total psycho-activity is attributed to the ratios of the primary cannabinoids of CBC, CBD, THC and CBN; the ratios of methyl, propyl, and pentyl homologs of these cannabinoids; and the isomeric variations of each of these cannabinoids. Myriad subtle combinations are sure to exist. Also, terpenoid and other aromatic compounds might suppress or potentiate the effects of THCs."
Or conversely, you could just say "kind of, sort of"
http://www.greenmanspage.com/guides/botany.html#Chapter 4 - Maturation and Harvesting of Cannabis
Then you can get high and talk about poly chained hydrocarbons and the cycle of hydroxyl group conversion to CBD and THC. I mean, if your stoner friends want to know if UV light will produce more THC then all you have to say is....
"Some work that Raphael Mechoulam has done centered around the role of ultraviolet light in the bio-synthesis of THC acids and minor cannabinoids. In the laboratory, Mechoulam has converted CBD acid to THC acids by exposing a solution of CBD acid in n-hexane to ultraviolet light of 235-285 nm. for up to 48 hours. This reaction uses atmospheric oxygen molecules (02) and is irreversible; however, the yield of the conversion is only about 15% THC acid, and some of the products formed in the laboratory experiment do not occur in living specimens. Four types of isomers or slight variations of THC acids (THCA) exist. Both Delta1-THCA and Delta6-THCA are naturally occurring isomers of THCA resulting from the positions of the double bond on carbon 1 or carbon 6 of the geraniol portion of the molecule They have approximately the same psychoactive effect; however, Delta1-THC acid is about four times more prevalent than Delta6-THC acid in most strains. Also Alpha and Beta forms of Delta1-THC acid and Delta6-THC acid exist as a result of the juxtaposition of the hydrogen (H) and the carboxyl (COOH) groups on the olivetolic acid portion of the molecule It is suspected that the psychoactivity of the a and ~ forms of the THC acid molecules probably does not vary, but this has not been proven. Subtle differences in psychoactivity not detected in animals by laboratory instruments, but often discussed by marijuana aficionados, could be attributed to additional synergistic effects of the four isomers of THC acid. Total psycho-activity is attributed to the ratios of the primary cannabinoids of CBC, CBD, THC and CBN; the ratios of methyl, propyl, and pentyl homologs of these cannabinoids; and the isomeric variations of each of these cannabinoids. Myriad subtle combinations are sure to exist. Also, terpenoid and other aromatic compounds might suppress or potentiate the effects of THCs."
Or conversely, you could just say "kind of, sort of"
Illumination
New Member
Exactly...it does...kinda...well at least is seems to change the signature of the high...taking it to more of a trip and less of a down....so seems more potent because of the proportions of different acids cause it to feel more intense...but not actually increasing the content just the way it works and how it interacts with our cannabinoid receptors if you follow what I am lamely attempting to illustrate....science is da shit....but so is nature...oooh to be as good a scientist as nature...now that would be the shit
Namaste'
legallyflying
Well-Known Member
Illumination, have you ever run UV lights in your grow? Kept going back and forth and finally I said "Is outdoor bud that much more dank than indoor bud?" the answer..no its not so no need to fuck with UV lghts.
Illumination
New Member
But I feel that outdoors all the other uncontrollable factors inhibit its focusing solely on resin production for sunscreen... I run cmh and it is the non coated clear glass that does emit uvb in high enough quantities to influence things per a uvb meter and what I have found to be the uv levels of higher altitudes so I can't compare it on a personal grow level...but I know what I have smoked which received uv and those under hps only the high was more in league with what I like with the uv so therefore seems stronger to me...and have blindly identified the two forms through a colleague who is testing...he has already convinced himself and sold all his 1000 watters and replacing them 2 400 watt cmh per 1000....so 6....I cant prove or disprove but it is working for me
Namaste'
Danielsgb
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Good God is there a lot to this that is still unclear. I wonder if I skew some of my data since it's not like I have a bunch of others comparing with me. To say A is better than B is between me and a handful of others. To only do one test at a time is near impossible too. The effects of Cannabis are still unclear. 4 neural receptor sites and 1 is studied, 1 is toyed with, 2 are un-researched.
We're farther behind nature than we admit.
A simple book on botany hits some basic plant functions which are unknown. Sure is fun to read huh.
I love the CMH for it's spectrum, I also toyed with a 2.0 UV-B Cfl. Adding the UV-B was dangerous. I wasn't able to keep it far enough away, so I got a 'sun burn'. I agree it's probably not worth it. My guess would be a tiny +% in anything.
I know I would use 2 or 3 400W CMH over a 1000W anything. I can see him being sold on their benefits.
Lumi, & X, I know you've seen it. For anyone else there is a bunch of info on this in my FrigiDare 2 Indica's Infrared Spectrum Trial. I added a bunch of longer reading in my first grow journal [FONT="]https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/313042-well-here-goes.htm
I just stored long reading there on this stuff.
Hope it helps. It's mind numbing how much there is to learn.
Daniels
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