over watered under watered? I dont think its either, but dont know?

DirtyDiana

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I watered my girls Saturday the 29th of january and fed flowering nutes. They are now 10 days into flowering. So, Saturday the 29th I watered. Watered Monday the 31st with azamax. Watered Thursday and fed 7 ml veg nutes and 1 tsp bloom nutes. Friday night I noticed one plant had drooping leaves. I watered again yesterday, Saturday and the leaves are still drooping when I checked yesterday and today. So what is the problem?
sat watered fed nutes
Monday watered with azamax
Thursday watered with nutes
friday drooping
watered satruday, still drooping
Today is Sunday still drooping
Thank you
 
DirtyDiana

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I used the water meter and the plant showed very dry Friday, which is why I watered again Saturday. I was told and read that white widows use a lot of water.

I guess I should add, I am using 1 400 wat hps, 1 68 cfl, 1 40 wat cfl, 1 23 wat cfl, and 24" t5 with 4 24 watt. cfls close to plants, hps about 14" above plants. Using fox farm soil. RO water. Soil is 6.8 ph
 
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screaminsemen said:
Whats up DirtyD! I'd love to help but...I'm having the same problem lol.
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Hey there Semen, how are yA? I just saw your post too. I have been reading and reading and looking for info but I really dont get any answers. I really do not think is over water or under. Im kinda stuck. Im keeping an eye on your thread incase you get an answer before me! I will probably not water her for a few more days, then water again, see what happens. I did water Thursday and then again on Saturday, but because they were drooping and the meter said they were dry, but no change, so ugggggghhhh, Regardless of what anyone tells me I will really just have to listen to my plant and try a few days of no water, then water after really dry to see if that helps, if not then maybe water more. My only concern is if it isnt the watering at all, if it is a whole other issue. That is why I am looking for advice. GOOD LUCK!!!!!!!!
 
jawbrodt

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What did you PH your fert mix to? I don't think it's over/underwatering, either, I'm thinking they got some acidic food, and didn't like it.(starving) Are you sure you didn't give them too much fert? That mix sounded a little strong, but I'm just guessing.They also look a little hungry, a little light in color. Try giving them a 1/2 strength foliar feed with your veg fert, and they might perk right up. Make sure to spray them thoroughly, especially the undersides of the leaves. Let it soak/dry for about 1/2 hour, then do it again. If they're hungry, that'll perk them up nicely. At any rate, something is wrong with your medium, or it's waaaay too hot in there, which I doubt. Right now would be a good time to flush them til your runoff PH is coming out the same as your pouring in(about 6.5), then a 1/2 strength feeding. Even if it doesn't fix your problem, flushing is a good thing, giving you a nice clean medium to start with. Eliminates alot of possibile culprits, too.
 
DirtyDiana

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jawbrodt said:
What did you PH your fert mix to? I don't think it's over/underwatering, either, I'm thinking they got some acidic food, and didn't like it.(starving) Are you sure you didn't give them too much fert? That mix sounded a little strong, but I'm just guessing.They also look a little hungry, a little light in color. Try giving them a 1/2 strength foliar feed with your veg fert, and they might perk right up. Make sure to spray them thoroughly, especially the undersides of the leaves. Let it soak/dry for about 1/2 hour, then do it again. If they're hungry, that'll perk them up nicely. At any rate, something is wrong with your medium, or it's waaaay too hot in there, which I doubt. Right now would be a good time to flush them til your runoff PH is coming out the same as your pouring in(about 6.5), then a 1/2 strength feeding. Even if it doesn't fix your problem, flushing is a good thing, giving you a nice clean medium to start with. Eliminates alot of possibile culprits, too.
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The ph of the fert mix was about 6.7. I am not sure if I gave too much fert, I was having issues with brown spots on the leaves and was told for the first stretch in flowering to give a little of the veg nutes to help with that, the N would help. It could be from that, 2 days later is when they started drooping. I have still not watered the plants since I first posted this, well have not watered since Saturday, and when I went to check on them this evening, the other plants are now drooping. So I do not know if the other plants are drooping now because they need water or if they are now having the same issue as the one plant. The room is in the basement so there is no issue with heat, possibly being too cold, but the section of the room where the plants are is actually warmer than the rest of the room. I have the room devided in half, then the back half flowering room I sectioned about half of that room off with mylar to try to contain the light and warmth because it is so cold down there. But still the room at most gets to about 72 degrees F.

I will water the plants tomorrow and see what happens. I have never done a foliar feed. Do I just mix a tiny bit of veg fert in a spray bottle and spray? Should I add some dawn so the water doesnt bead up and burn the leaves? Also, when I water tomorrow it is supposed to be feeding time, should I feed them? Or should I wait?
 
jawbrodt

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Hmm....well, if the ground is cold, maybe you are overwatering, because unless your pots are really small, I doubt they're drying out that fast. Do your pots feel light, when you lift them, before you water/feed?


Also,...yes, you should add a drop or two, of Dawn(I use that, myself), which'll break the surface tension of the water, and prevent beading. I always raise my lights til my plants are dry, as well, as a precaution, even though I doubt the droplets will burn my plants. Yes, it can happen, but only under rare circumstances.

Anyway,... put a few layers of cardboard under your pots, or set them on upside-down buckets, or something, to get them up off the ground, if you think your root temps are much below 65*. Too cold, and it'll slow things down, and may be your main issue.

P.S. Mix your foliar feed at 1/2 strength, of what you normally use to feed them, then alternate a fresh water misting, every other foliar feeding, which'll keep things clean, and the stomata from clogging.
 
DirtyDiana

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jawbrodt said:
Hmm....well, if the ground is cold, maybe you are overwatering, because unless your pots are really small, I doubt they're drying out that fast. Do your pots feel light, when you lift them, before you water/feed?


Also,...yes, you should add a drop or two, of Dawn(I use that, myself), which'll break the surface tension of the water, and prevent beading. I always raise my lights til my plants are dry, as well, as a precaution, even though I doubt the droplets will burn my plants. Yes, it can happen, but only under rare circumstances.

Anyway,... put a few layers of cardboard under your pots, or set them on upside-down buckets, or something, to get them up off the ground, if you think your root temps are much below 65*. Too cold, and it'll slow things down, and may be your main issue.

P.S. Mix your foliar feed at 1/2 strength, of what you normally use to feed them, then alternate a fresh water misting, every other foliar feeding, which'll keep things clean, and the stomata from clogging.
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Thanks jaw, you have seen my other post about these new mites i am seeing. COULD this drooping be from the mites? I put a table back in the room today to get the plants off of the cold ground. Will this foliar spray help get rid of these mites? How often is the foliar feeding? I am going to try whatever for the mites, but for the foliar feediing every how many days would I spray, I see 1/2 strength then fresh water, every other feeding, but every how many days, like day 1 foliar feed, wait 2 days, on 3rd day fresh water feed, wait 2 days, 3rd day....and ect?

I know for a fact the temps at night get way below 65, so maybe the pots on the cold concrete WERE what was making them limp? If this is the case, would them being off of the cold concrete bring them back? I guess I will find out in a few days after today, but some reassurance would be nice ;-)
 
jawbrodt

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^Definietly, cold roots will make them droop. It'll also make the whole plant light in color, as well. Aside from the mites, it might just be your entire problem, because otherwise, it sounds like you have everything in check.
 
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I guess it was at my other thread, but you mentioned foliar feeding and I had questions on it. But I looked at your journal again, and I see how you mixed it, and you did it in 2 sessions 1/2 hour apart. So that I am assuming will answer my question on how often and how long. Thanks again jawbrodt!!!!! Hopefully them being higher up will help them with some issues, get the mites under control, and I guess next is to do the foliar feeding and see if that helps with the brown ugly crusty spots. Ciao
 
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