Vegan Organics Aka Veganics With Matt Rize

coolupdscene said:
dude, canna will make amazing plants but it is still bottled...and mined...so its not really part of the holy grail of TRUE organics. Most ppl wanna think that just cause it has the carbon lifeforms present that that is what makes organic...it does "scientifically" but not REALLY Im not trying to bash ur style bro but.
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dude, science is backed by real facts, but REALLY we should listen to you. ok. Nobody is bashing organics yet you come here in defense and bash veganics. Go on the hydro threads and bash them too why dont you. I practice veganic growing. Not veganic lifestyle. I eat chicken, steak, burgers, i just dont play with shit. We have heard you and many others come here and express their opinion and thats all it is, an opinion. Just because a nutrient in a bottle means, oh its not organic then tell me, How do these companies pass OMRI regulations if its not TRUE organics?? or is TRUE organics something regulated by YOU....
 
coolupdscene said:
dude, canna will make amazing plants but it is still bottled...and mined...so its not really part of the holy grail of TRUE organics. Most ppl wanna think that just cause it has the carbon lifeforms present that that is what makes organic...it does "scientifically" but not REALLY. Im not trying to bash ur style bro but I preach TRUE organics with compost teas and composted soil using sustainable nutrients and compost matter and NEVER bottled thus the plant is truly ur own brand, not the government brand, figuratively speaking. I personally dont care about "Vegan" organics cause all the best life comes from death neways. We need to start worrying about sustainability rather than the next non-"meat" product we can buy...its about the planet we breathe rather than trying to create our own little bubble of "health" even though the bubble still harms the environment so it wont make u live longer neway...
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True organics... this guy needs to be schooled very quickly. Organic means many things. The way I use it refers to OMRI and other organic certifications, which has less to do with carbon than it has to do with lack of synthetics. True soil gardening, what you are actually referencing, is great, but is lacking for the accelerated indoor environment. My intention is to create a simple "store bought" system that is safe for all patients, and is easily certifiable organic. Not everyone wants to, or has the ability, to mix soils and wait for them to "cook". Your attitude will fall on deaf ears here.

As for health, you couldn't be more wrong. Focusing on the environment is key, but that goes with health, not one or the other. If you actually read the thread you would see that I support a hybrid system of growing in a peat based media using compost teas and bottled nutes.

If you think Cannabis is not a neuroprotectant and an antioxidant and much more in terms of relief and healing... you are mistaken. This is about health and growing the best medicine possible. Vegan organics is a huge trend among growers, not because it's cool, but because the results are better.
 
True organics = do no harm, build humus, use omri listed amendments.
Basically organics is a stepping stone from chemical ag into something less benign. Using OMRI and certified organic ingredients will address the physical nutrition of the soil but nature has many more secrets. It is easy to go beyond organic and way beyond organic but that involves lots of digging (for the truth) and a major shift in our understanding of how nature truly works.
 
baldhead said:
True organics = do no harm, build humus, use omri listed amendments.
Basically organics is a stepping stone from chemical ag into something less benign. Using OMRI and certified organic ingredients will address the physical nutrition of the soil but nature has many more secrets. It is easy to go beyond organic and way beyond organic but that involves lots of digging (for the truth) and a major shift in our understanding of how nature truly works.
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You are preaching to the pastor. The secrets of nature and history reveal that "green manure" is superior to animal poop in terms of sustainability and building a long lasting society. The Incas built a society and guano, and are long gone. The Chinese have been using green manure for thousands of years, many do to this day. This isn't a direct correlation, but you know what I am saying. Passing vegetable matter through the gut of mammals is not efficient. You can ferment common wild or farmed plants and feed them directly to your plants.

Indoor growing is not the same as outdoor. For starters, we pay more to grow, and have to maximize our space. So we start using soilless organic media (peats, coco, and barks). This lets us take advantage of the accelerated wet/dry cycles of soilless organic media, which lets us push CO2, temps, and light levels. We leave true soil behind, and begin hybrid growing, a combo of soilless and soil techniques. This is usually peat or coco based media (fox farm, happy frog, roots ect). Peat is extremely good for hosting microbes, and contains nutrients. We also add nutrients via fertigation solutions.

Your attempt to define "organic" as "true soil organic" is more appropriate for subcool's subforum. Check him out, he is more your speed. Peace.
 
NightbirdX said:
Where in Michigan are they opening up a shop if you don't mind? I live in Michigan and would love to have a chat/visit with them, lol.
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got to talk with the shop guys today, I guess they opened the shop about a month ago in Monroe - that up uf alley ? it's a Hydrofarm shop, btw...
 
hey matt, i know you like the GO line ok, thats what im currently running. my question is the GO CaMg+ is calcium carbonate and magnesium carbonate it should raise my ph correct? do i need to put some dolomite lime on the surface of my soil of is it not needed as i think i have lockout due to an acid medium. i have been using lots of beneficial microbes via roots oregonism xl and bmo sped. im is roots organic potting mix. i have mag, cal and nit defs due to lockout i believe
 
durbanmistyman said:
hey matt, i know you like the GO line ok, thats what im currently running. my question is the GO CaMg+ is calcium carbonate and magnesium carbonate it should raise my ph correct? do i need to put some dolomite lime on the surface of my soil of is it not needed as i think i have lockout due to an acid medium. i have been using lots of beneficial microbes via roots oregonism xl and bmo sped. im is roots organic potting mix. i have mag, cal and nit defs due to lockout i believe
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those three, N/Ca/Mg are all related to pH, and each other. Kushman uses the GO calmag+, but I use calplex and huvega. If you think you have trouble with too low soil pH, adjust with higher pH solution. 3x what you need to correct for, for at least two waterings. Have you checked the soil pH? If you have distilled water and a pH pen it is fairly easy.
 
ill let morality,the soul of the plant and yield speak for themselves i guess...if u use something that someone else made to care for a life then then u can never really be procreative but just a deficiencey to the earth cause theres no real connection the life doesnt come from your own flesh and bones u just grow "the government brand" which supports all man santos, gmo's hybridization based on cheap productions with as little sustenance as possible aka "laziness" theu not a productive living person thus inneficient
 
beeznutz said:
got to talk with the shop guys today, I guess they opened the shop about a month ago in Monroe - that up uf alley ? it's a Hydrofarm shop, btw...
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Ahh ok, I thought it might be an actual Canna shop so that I can go yell at them some of them, actually I should probably go yell at Happy Frog and their soil that makes my life hell...
 
Matt Rize said:
those three, N/Ca/Mg are all related to pH, and each other. Kushman uses the GO calmag+, but I use calplex and huvega. If you think you have trouble with too low soil pH, adjust with higher pH solution. 3x what you need to correct for, for at least two waterings. Have you checked the soil pH? If you have distilled water and a pH pen it is fairly easy.
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got ph pen coming whats a safe organic way to raise solution ph without killing any microbes.
 
durbanmistyman said:
got ph pen coming whats a safe organic way to raise solution ph without killing any microbes.
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Earth Juice makes a "natural" pH up and down.

Safer makes a pH down that is OMRI listed.

Dolomite lime works as a great pH buffer in the soil. Will try and maintain a 7.0 pH. Could also be used to raise pH if it starts dropping below 7 too far.

Citric acid can help lower pH. Apple Cider or vinegar would also work.
 
RPsmoke420 said:
Earth Juice makes a "natural" pH up and down.

Safer makes a pH down that is OMRI listed.

Dolomite lime works as a great pH buffer in the soil. Will try and maintain a 7.0 pH. Could also be used to raise pH if it starts dropping below 7 too far.

Citric acid can help lower pH. Apple Cider or vinegar would also work.
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would it be a wise idea to top dress my plants with crushed dolomite lime? and how much if so?
 
durbanmistyman said:
would it be a wise idea to top dress my plants with crushed dolomite lime? and how much if so?
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I have found the best method is to remove the first inch or so of soil, taking care not to damage any roots. Then sprinkle the lime into the pot, nice and evenly at a rate of 1 teaspoon (5 ml) of lime per gallon of soil. Then replace the soil you removed earlier, and saturate the soil good to wash in the lime.

They also make a quick release dolomite lime. This might work better for a top dress. Otherwise I'd think it's better to mix it in some. Also adds some Ca and Mg.
 
Matt, awesome thread man. Read, the whole thing and can't understand these haters. This is one mans take on a cleaner, healthier, and better tasting cannabis. I have to admit, the first few pages seemed sketchy, but you actually inspired me to try some of these practices this year. I am sub'd bro!!
 
XDGreenson80 said:
Matt, awesome thread man. Read, the whole thing and can't understand these haters. This is one mans take on a cleaner, healthier, and better tasting cannabis. I have to admit, the first few pages seemed sketchy, but you actually inspired me to try some of these practices this year. I am sub'd bro!!
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Thanks man, I started this thread as soon as I started vegan organic gardening, and was not ready for all the haters.

I'll try to update this thread more often, but am super busy because I have been hired by medicalmarijuana.com to move my operations there.

Peace to all.
 
RPsmoke420 said:
I have found the best method is to remove the first inch or so of soil, taking care not to damage any roots. Then sprinkle the lime into the pot, nice and evenly at a rate of 1 teaspoon (5 ml) of lime per gallon of soil. Then replace the soil you removed earlier, and saturate the soil good to wash in the lime.

They also make a quick release dolomite lime. This might work better for a top dress. Otherwise I'd think it's better to mix it in some. Also adds some Ca and Mg.
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Thanks RP! Spot on!
 
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