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applepoop1984

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hey i wanted everyone to list the pros and cons of using urea based ferts. and go!

1. The most common impurity of synthetic urea is biuret, which impairs plant growth.
2.Urea is not compatible with other fertilizers.
3. Because of the high nitrogen concentration in urea, it can easily burn your plants
4. it is a salt which makes it hard to flush from soil.(bad taste)
 

applepoop1984

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thank you for not peeing. here is some more info and a chart of other viable sources of nitrogen other than urea (regarding my first post,the part about urea and compatibility, it means its lighter than other ferts so it wont mix in commercial use where they spread it (food crops, im liking the double parentheses)) N.jpg
 

Total Head

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i believe that within parentheses one should use brackets, but it is arguably a matter of personal style. nice table.
 

applepoop1984

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i believe that within parentheses one should use brackets, but it is arguably a matter of personal style. nice table.
thanx any experience with urea based fertilizers? and i got yelled at for using brackets within parentheses, except in math class, for absolute value
 

t0rn

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In the not so distant past, we didn't have the luxury of having a small room in the house where we could flush away our number ones and twos. But did you ever wonder how we managed before the water closet? Not that I want to get into the history of it, but let's just say that before the times of our current throw-away society, people thought of multiple uses for just about everything.Well maybe you didn't know that human urine is the fastest acting, most excellent source of Nitrogen, Phosphorous, Potassium and some trace elements. Not only that, but we all have a constant, year round supply of it - and it's free! There's not a lot of effort involved in creating this wonderful organic liquid fertilizer.
Some men I know are more than happy to oblige a tree, bush or lawn (out of view, of course).
Did you know that many toilets use between 50 and 100 litres of water a day to flush around 1.5 litres of pee? And the high levels of nutrients in our effluent systems leads to the growth of algae, which ultimately causes the death of plants and animals throughout our waterways.
What are the advantages of using urine as an organic liquid fertilizer?
If you're not flushing this valuable liquid down the loo, you are reducing your water consumption - good for the environment and your pocket

You'll be reducing the amount of sewerage runoff

There'll be less nutrients in our waterways

Urine as a liquid fertilizer is available in an ideal chemical form for plants to use

Gardening costs are less as your liquid fertilizer is free

It is readily available all year round and there are no transportation costs
Just so that you know, fresh human urine is sterile (unless there is a urinary tract infection - this urine should not be used) and so free from bacteria.
I recommend that you dilute urine to 10-15 parts water to 1 part urine for application on plants in the growth stage. Dilute to 30-50 parts water to 1 part urine for use on pot plants as they are much more sensitive to fertilizers of any kind.
Trees, shrubs and lawn should cope well without dilution. Withhold the use of urine liquid fertilizer on all food plants at least two weeks before harvesting. Apply under fruiting plants, not directly on foliage.
Don't use urine older than 24hours on your plants as the urea turns into ammonia and will burn your plants. If it's not fresh, add it to your compost heap. Adding undiluted human urine to your compost heap will help heat it up quickly as it is an excellent activator and will add to the final nutrient value.
As far as antibiotics, vitamin supplements and other medications go, yes they will end up in your urine, but in such minute quantities that I believe to be negligible - especially when it is diluted.
So put this excellent source of free liquid fertilizer to good use in your garden, rather than add to the burden that we as humans cause to our environment.

Taken from this source:
http://www.howtodothings.com/home-garden/how-to-use-urine-as-a-fertilizer
 

t0rn

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MONDAY, Oct. 8 (HealthDay News) -- Cash-strapped farmers shouldn't look far for a source of free fertilizer, according to a new study that finds human urine to be a great source of nitrogen and other minerals.
The "yuck" factor aside, scientists who used urine to help raise a bumper crop of cabbages said the practice may not be a bad idea.
"Urine is a valuable fertilizer which poor people could use to increase yields and not contaminate their environment. It is a resource, not a pollutant, if correctly managed," said Helvi Heinonen-Tanski, leader of a research group at the University of Kuopio's Department of Environmental Sciences in Finland.
They decided to look into how human urine could be used to help farmers and at the same time save water and reduce the contamination of water resources, added Surendra K. Pradhan, a research student at the university and the study's lead author.
"It is important to areas which are not connected with wastewater treatment systems," he added.
The use of urine as fertilizer is uncommon, but it is increasing in some parts of Finland, the researchers said. It also has been used to fertilize barley and cucumbers, the study said. "We assume the nitrogen contents of human urine could be a good fertilizer for many other plants or crops," Pradhan said.
The researchers chose cabbage as a test crop, because it needs a lot of nitrogen, it is distributed worldwide, and it can be preserved as sauerkraut.
The cabbage fertilized with urine was compared with similar plots of cabbage that either went unfertilized or where commercial fertilizer was used. At harvest, the cabbage enriched with the urine had several advantages: It was slightly larger, it grew to its maximum size more quickly, and, for most of the growth cycle, it suffered less bug damage than the commercially fertilized variety.
Cabbage from all three plots was made into sauerkraut and taste-tested by 20 panelists. Each type tasted different, but all were rated "good," the study said.
As a result of the findings, the team concluded that urine produced by one person over a year would be enough to grow 160 cabbages -- that's 64 kilograms (141 pounds) more cabbage than could be grown in a similar plot fertilized with commercial fertilizer. They recommend collecting urine from eco-type toilets, storing it, then scattering it on the soil around the plants rather than directly on them.
The study was expected to be published in the Oct. 31 issue of theJournal of Agricultural and Food Chemistry.
Urine is "a good natural nitrogen containing substance and probably could be easily utilized" as a fertilizer, agreed Dr. Philip Tierno, director of clinical microbiology and immunology at New York University Medical Center, New York City. "There's nothing wrong with using it," Tierno said. He added that there is little risk of contamination by urine-borne pathogens, because they would be in competition with microorganisms found in the soil and would "probably lose the battle."
Urine is actually a relatively clean substance, added Tierno, author of the bookThe Secret Life of Germs.
Barry Swanson, a food scientist at Washington State University, had a similar reaction. The study "demonstrates pretty clearly that although this might be somewhat objectionable in our hygienic population, it probably has pretty practical application in other countries," he said.
"It makes a lot of sense. Human urine does contain nitrogen. No matter what you apply to the soil, plants take up organic or inorganic material in the soil irrespective of where it comes from," Swanson added. He said urine is a good source of nitrogen, potassium and phosphorous.
Preserving the cabbage by making sauerkraut also has some advantages, he said. The large amount of salt used in making sauerkraut inhibits the growth of pathogens. So, if any pathogens were unexpectedly present, the salt would eliminate them.

Taken from the Washington Post:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/08/AR2007100801028.html
 

t0rn

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You say tomayto, I say tomahto.
You say Miracle-Gro, I say ... pee.
Apparently, human urine works remarkably well as a fertilizer for tomatoes, according to a new study out of Finland.
Plants fertilized with a mixture of stored human urine and wood ash produced 4.2 times more fruit than plants without the pee, the study found. The urine-fertilized tomatoes had more beta-carotene than unfertilized ones, and much more protein than traditionally fertilized plants.
And the tomatoes were just as good as those grown with traditional fertilizer, according to a panel of 20 brave tasters.
Healthy human urine is rich in nutrients like nitrogen, potassium and phosphate, all key ingredients for healthy plants. As long as the pee doesn't contain any fecal matter, it's usually free of any microorganisms.
Surendra K. Pradhan, K. Holopainen and Helvi Heinonen-Tanski of the University of Kuopio in Finland collected human urine during the winter of 2007-2008 from several eco-toilets in private homes. The urine was stored for about six months at 45 degrees F and tested for microbes and bacteria. The team mixed it with wood ash collected from a household furnace, and found the mixture was just as good as -- or better than -- conventional chemical fertilizer.
In taste tests, the urine-fertilized tomatoes tasted different from those fertilized with urine and ash, but tasters didn't have a preference -- "all tomato samples were evaluated as being equally good by the tasters," the study says. The results are reported in the latest Journal of Agricultural and Food Chemistry.
The same team had previously tested human pee as a fertilizer for cucumber and cabbage, and a South African team reported last year that urine had successfully fertilized maize. The Finnish team said they tried tomatoes because they're grown all over the world and are a staple ingredient in many recipes.
The use of urine to fertilize crops has been practiced since ancient times, but is relatively rare today, thanks to the ick factor and the prevalence of chemical and mineral fertilizers. But as farmers and home growers seek organic ways to grow food, urine could be a solution.
The study "may contribute to the development of positive attitudes about the use of urine and ash as fertilizer as a way to both increase crop yield and reduce water pollution," the authors wrote.
It may not be necessary to go all NASA with our pee and start drinking it. But if we can safely and efficiently grow food with it, why not?

Taken from Popular Science:
http://www.popsci.com/environment/article/2009-09/fertilizer-future-might-be-closer-we-think
 

Carne Seca

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In the not so distant past, we didn't have the luxury of having a small room in the house where we could flush away our number ones and twos. But did you ever wonder how we managed before the water closet? Not that I want to get into the history of it, but let's just say that before the times of our current throw-away society, people thought of multiple uses for just about everything.Well maybe you didn't know that human urine is the fastest acting, most excellent source of Nitrogen, Phosphorous, Potassium and some trace elements. Not only that, but we all have a constant, year round supply of it - and it's free! There's not a lot of effort involved in creating this wonderful organic liquid fertilizer.
Some men I know are more than happy to oblige a tree, bush or lawn (out of view, of course).
Did you know that many toilets use between 50 and 100 litres of water a day to flush around 1.5 litres of pee? And the high levels of nutrients in our effluent systems leads to the growth of algae, which ultimately causes the death of plants and animals throughout our waterways.
What are the advantages of using urine as an organic liquid fertilizer?
If you're not flushing this valuable liquid down the loo, you are reducing your water consumption - good for the environment and your pocket

You'll be reducing the amount of sewerage runoff

There'll be less nutrients in our waterways

Urine as a liquid fertilizer is available in an ideal chemical form for plants to use

Gardening costs are less as your liquid fertilizer is free

It is readily available all year round and there are no transportation costs
Just so that you know, fresh human urine is sterile (unless there is a urinary tract infection - this urine should not be used) and so free from bacteria.
I recommend that you dilute urine to 10-15 parts water to 1 part urine for application on plants in the growth stage. Dilute to 30-50 parts water to 1 part urine for use on pot plants as they are much more sensitive to fertilizers of any kind.
Trees, shrubs and lawn should cope well without dilution. Withhold the use of urine liquid fertilizer on all food plants at least two weeks before harvesting. Apply under fruiting plants, not directly on foliage.
Don't use urine older than 24hours on your plants as the urea turns into ammonia and will burn your plants. If it's not fresh, add it to your compost heap. Adding undiluted human urine to your compost heap will help heat it up quickly as it is an excellent activator and will add to the final nutrient value.
As far as antibiotics, vitamin supplements and other medications go, yes they will end up in your urine, but in such minute quantities that I believe to be negligible - especially when it is diluted.
So put this excellent source of free liquid fertilizer to good use in your garden, rather than add to the burden that we as humans cause to our environment.
Found HERE By Julie Williams Platinum Quality Author - Using Human Urine As A Liquid FertilizerIt's considered common courtesy to cite your source when cutting and pasting. Give the original writer his/her proper due. He/she did all the hard work after all. ;)
 

t0rn

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It's the ultimate in recycling. Take some wood ashes from the fireplace, add a little of your own urine and spread it around your tomato plants. You may get a blockbuster crop.
Scientists in Finland have found that wood ash and human urine perform just as well as more expensive mineral fertilizers, at least for some crops, such as tomato plants.
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Scientists in Finland have found that wood ash and human urine perform just as well as more expensive mineral fertilizers, at least for some crops, while doing less damage to the environment. The combination is rich in nutrients, nitrogen, phosphorus, potassium, calcium and magnesium. The researchers raised a healthy crop of tomatoes in a carefully controlled series of laboratory experiments.

Other research has shown that human urine is an effective substitute for synthetic fertilizers, at least for cucumbers, corn, cabbage, wheat and tomatoes. Ash has also been shown to be useful in agriculture.

But the Fins say they are the first ones to combine urine with wood ash, and plants treated with that substitute performed four times as well as unfertilized plants and left the soil less acidic. The scientists insist it's safe and doesn't pose "any microbial or chemical risks."

Finding Could Be Boon to Developing Countries


But what do tomatoes raised on human urine taste like? Just like ordinary tomatoes, according to a panel of 20 daring folks who concluded they couldn't tell any difference.

The finding could be a boon to third world countries by drastically reducing the cost of fertilizer, and the lead scientist reported via e-mail that people in poor countries may be more likely to build toilets now because they could reuse their urine.

"Our study demonstrated that the construction of a toilet is not an expenditure, but it is an investment to get fertilizer," Surendra Prahan of the University of Kuopio in Finland said. The study was published in the current issue of the American Chemical Society's Journal of Agricultural and Food Chemistry.

But why human urine? Well, because there is so much of it, and it's easy to collect.

"It is available or formed in every household, even in houses with poor people," Prahan said. A similar result could result from using cattle urine, but that's a lot more difficult to collect. And, of course, chicken urine is out of the question.

Don't Try This at Home

Apparently, human urine really packs a punch.

"Urine from a single human individual could fertilize some 6,300 tomato plants, which could produce 2.41 tons of tomato fruits" in just one season, the study notes.
One reason people may not want to try this at home is human urine can carry pathogens if the donor is severely infected.

"But most pathogens can be inhibited or killed if the urine is stored for one to two months," Prahan said. Urine contains urea, which turns into ammonia in a few hours or days, which kills pathogens, Prahan added.
Tomatoes were chosen for the experiments "because it has a worldwide distribution, it is commonly cultivated in home gardens, and it is a common ingredient in many recipes," the researchers said.
The plants were grown in four different ways in a greenhouse on the Kuopio campus. Some received no fertilizer, some received commercial fertilizer, some received just urine, and others received human urine and birch ash collected from the furnace in the home of one of the participants.

No Harmful Substances Found

Urine was collected from several "eco-toilets in private homes," the study says, and stored for about six months while the researchers analyzed its "microbiological properties." No harmful substances were found.
During the growing period the plants that received commercial fertilizer and those that got the urine and ash performed about the same, substantially higher than the ones that got only urine, and four times greater than the unfertilized plants.
But the plants that got only urine had a "significantly higher" protein content, leading the researchers to conclude that either urine with ash, or plain urine, would work much better than no fertilizer at all. And it's cheap.
All the plants were irrigated every day with lake water and their flowers were hand pollinated every morning "with the help of a soft brush." Harvesting began on the 62nd day and ended on the 88th day.
Twenty individuals were recruited to test the taste after they had demonstrated that they could recognize basic tastes of sweet, sour, salty and bitter.

All Tomatoes Rated "Equally Good"

"The panelists did not prefer any particular samples, and all tomato samples were evaluated as being equally good by the tasters," the researchers said.
The scientists did not provide a recipe for their favorite fertilizer, but they did suggest a few precautions.
It's probably not a good idea to dash out to the greenhouse after too much coffee and administer the treatment directly. Urine needs time to naturally immobilize any pathogens, so store it in a jar or suitable container for at least a couple of months.
And don't spray it directly on the plants because it could burn them. Instead, rake it into the soil. Then, one of these days, bite into a plump tomato and it will all come back to you. Now that's recycling.

Taken from ABC News:
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/DyeHard/food-crop-fertilizer-features-gulp-human-urine/story?id=8517396

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t0rn

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It's clear they were copy and pasted, this dude wanted info and didn't want to do the legwork.. I'm not going to go out of my way, the things that I posted here were the top 5 on google alone.. and easily found.
 

TokeSmoker420

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thank you for not peeing. here is some more info and a chart of other viable sources of nitrogen other than urea (regarding my first post,the part about urea and compatibility, it means its lighter than other ferts so it wont mix in commercial use where they spread it (food crops, im liking the double parentheses)) View attachment 1408802
LOOOOL look at Bloodmeal --> comments

Risk of Mad cow!! ahaha too funny!
 

Carne Seca

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It's clear they were copy and pasted, this dude wanted info and didn't want to do the legwork.. I'm not going to go out of my way, the things that I posted here were the top 5 on google alone.. and easily found.
What you're doing is called plagiarizing and is banned on most forums. I'm just sayin'
 

applepoop1984

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did he mention u need to treat human urine before it can be used as fert? and that everything we consume(prescription drugs) goes into urine? not to mention urine is inorganic(when processed for use as fertilizer) did u know animal urine is already used for most inorganic ferts?it says N derived from urea on the back of the package. how is any of the information uv posted of any use to us growers? alot of clever word play in your posts, "You say tomayto[sic], I say tomahto.
You say Miracle-Gro, I say ... pee.
" great stuff guy! good job! now can u tell us the npk rating of urine? what about the bioavailablity? alkalinity? maybe post some pics of ur urine grow-op?
 

applepoop1984

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23503485/ns/health-health_care/.

because drugs are so hard to remove from urine there are still traces of drugs in our drinking supply, imagine how concentrated these drugs are in unfilitered(even water diluted) urine. the drugs that come with human urine range from painkillers to hormones(yes hormones, theres a thread by fddblk that states hormones when fed to mice cause cancer in a year or so) so people do not f around with your urine, especially u junkies lol. it has caused fish to grow 3 eyes in the everglades, ambiguous alligators, u get the picture
 

applepoop1984

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It's clear they were copy and pasted, this dude wanted info and didn't want to do the legwork.. I'm not going to go out of my way, the things that I posted here were the top 5 on google alone.. and easily found.
so then why dont you subscribe to google. cool skull. i bet u feel kool
 

t0rn

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Look, I'm not going to BS with you anymore, you say don't use it, cool, that's your opinion.

The fact of the matter is it has been used for centuries as a fertilizer, you're entitled to your opinion, but it's based on ignorance.

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applepoop1984

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Look, I'm not going to BS with you anymore, you say don't use it, cool, that's your opinion.

The fact of the matter is it has been used for centuries as a fertilizer, you're entitled to your opinion, but it's based on ignorance.

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cool opinions. i was hoping for some fact but opinion is cool. i just cited an article as opposed to plagiarizing it and u came on my threads short man ... its like u were raised off urien and its ur lifeblood so u have to defend its honor... and im just tryign to keep peeps from peein on they plantseses
 

t0rn

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Ok, went back and cited EVERY article for you.. based on FACTS, I don't understand how you go the notion they weren't.

I've never used urine on a single plant as I can afford premium nutrients.
 
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