24 hour light cycle during veg??

budsmoker247

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alright, so it seems that everyones oppinions differ then, loll. some people have good results and some don't. right as of now i can say im having good results. been on 24/7 since i planted on the 18th and compared to the last plant i had that was on 18/6 and went male on me, this one seems to be growing alot better. more growth from the nodes, alot earlier then the last time too. shorter, tighter node spacing. the plant i had that went male on me didn't even start showing nodes until about 4 weeks in and this one theyre already out and flourishing. not noticing any stretch at all. seems to be staying nice and compact. the growth at first was a little stunted but i imagine that was just cause the plant was trying to get used to the cycle. now its growing pretty nicely :)

will post a few pics later just to show you guy's how its coming along so far.
 

DrFever

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i just dont get it why bother running more light hrs doesnt make sense to me why fck the way millions of years of evolution i have worked in both scenes of lights i have worked in areas of the world where l sunlight is 24 hrs an nothing grows NORTH POLE
and when it flipped to 24 hrs of darkness still nothing grows now in areas with both darkness an light occur things grow an people live :)) figure it out

and PHP: thats great when you got a bushy plant re for cloneing etc but i can assure you the lower buds you will get in flower is waste of time once your buds start to form and your ceiling is full theres no light penetration to lower buds and they suffer
i yielded 5 1/4 pounds per 2500 watts
 

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DrFever

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alright, so it seems that everyones oppinions differ then, loll. some people have good results and some don't. right as of now i can say im having good results. been on 24/7 since i planted on the 18th and compared to the last plant i had that was on 18/6 and went male on me, this one seems to be growing alot better. more growth from the nodes, alot earlier then the last time too. shorter, tighter node spacing. the plant i had that went male on me didn't even start showing nodes until about 4 weeks in and this one theyre already out and flourishing. not noticing any stretch at all. seems to be staying nice and compact. the growth at first was a little stunted but i imagine that was just cause the plant was trying to get used to the cycle. now its growing pretty nicely :)

will post a few pics later just to show you guy's how its coming along so far.
thats awesome it all comes down to your room design and what works for you if your plants are doin great then stick with it
 

Mike Young

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24/0 works great for me. As someone mentioned already, it helps keep my room a constant temp. Tight internodel spacing. Root growth doesn't seem to suffer as previously stated. I would like to know if anybody has an opinion on bulb life in reguards to start/stop everyday? In the same manner that it's better to leave your computer running constantly rather than shutting it down all the time.
 

jdizzle22

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24/0 works great for me. As someone mentioned already, it helps keep my room a constant temp. Tight internodel spacing. Root growth doesn't seem to suffer as previously stated. I would like to know if anybody has an opinion on bulb life in reguards to start/stop everyday? In the same manner that it's better to leave your computer running constantly rather than shutting it down all the time.
That thing about computers isn't really true. There is absolutely nothing wrong with turning your computer on and off once a day. And HID bulbs also should only be going on and off once a day which won't harm them at all. They will last a very long time, but over time their output will diminish enough that you might wish to replace the bulbs after as few as 3-4 grows
 

budsmoker247

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alright, so here it is after veging since the 14th on 24/7. i feed it plant prod ultimate water soluble 20/20/20 with micro nutrients mixed to 1/4 strength & i give it that once a week and distilled water in between. it seems to be doing awesome, loves the lights. nice tight nodes and no stretch at all. so hopefully it will end up being a nice little bush. i still havn't started lst yet cause it's still a bit short. so i think once it gets another tier to it ill start that process.

the other plants you see there are also on the 24 hour cycle. they just went in yesterday. they are 1 chemo and 2 northern lights in grodan cubes. im thinking they'll be going into soil, compost, vermiculite mixture once i can find a good recipe and they're big enough.
 

jdizzle22

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alright, so here it is after veging since the 14th on 24/7. i feed it plant prod ultimate water soluble 20/20/20 with micro nutrients mixed to 1/4 strength & i give it that once a week and distilled water in between. it seems to be doing awesome, loves the lights. nice tight nodes and no stretch at all. so hopefully it will end up being a nice little bush. i still havn't started lst yet cause it's still a bit short. so i think once it gets another tier to it ill start that process.

the other plants you see there are also on the 24 hour cycle. they just went in yesterday. they are 1 chemo and 2 northern lights in grodan cubes. im thinking they'll be going into soil, compost, vermiculite mixture once i can find a good recipe and they're big enough.
be sure to pH check the distilled water (and be careful because when adding pH adjusters it swings more easily with such pure water)
 

budsmoker247

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sadly i can't check the ph :( i don't have a ph meter as of yet. (still trying to find one) don't really know where to look that would be half decent on price & we don't really have much for garden centers where im at especially at this time of year. i also need a rh meter, hard trying to guestimate everything.
 

tardis

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I got a plant I took threw hell and it was'nt until I started the 18/6 did it start growing fast again. :leaf:
All of the growing it did in the 18/6 it would have done anyway during flower. 24h is great because it makes a wider larger plant so when you flower it skyrockets and has massive arms. of course I flower outside.

The problem I see with 24h is my leaves usually bend in because they get more light than they need. That however is NOT a bad thing because the plant regulates its light instead of the light regulating it to the plant, I would guess the plant would be better at knowing how much light it can use then a bulb... but when I put them outside to flower the leaves open up again and the plant skyrockets into the sky.
 

tardis

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alright, so here it is after veging since the 14th on 24/7. i feed it plant prod ultimate water soluble 20/20/20 with micro nutrients mixed to 1/4 strength & i give it that once a week and distilled water in between. it seems to be doing awesome, loves the lights. nice tight nodes and no stretch at all. so hopefully it will end up being a nice little bush. i still havn't started lst yet cause it's still a bit short. so i think once it gets another tier to it ill start that process.

the other plants you see there are also on the 24 hour cycle. they just went in yesterday. they are 1 chemo and 2 northern lights in grodan cubes. im thinking they'll be going into soil, compost, vermiculite mixture once i can find a good recipe and they're big enough.
Looking beautiful! yeah i've found 24h makes them much wider with more budsites than 18/6. but i could be wrong and it could just be strains but I dont think so till i see proof otherwise.
 
Got me wondering - does it need to be a long straight period of darkness or can you space the 4-6 hours out evenly over the day? - like 10-15 minutes an hour?

I could buy a timer for my veggin closet to test it out, but i'd be afraid to harm my bonzai, clones and vegging girls (run 24 hour lights on atm)
 

budsmoker247

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i dunno if it's much help or not to lower the ph but all my water, i do up in 2 ltr bottles and before that water even touches the plant. i leave it sit with the cap open for about 4 days, shaking the bottle every now and then just to mix it up. i figure the longer it sits out open & the more i shake it, the more it would lower. & i always make sure there's enough til the next stuff sits out long enough.

does that help at all you think? i mean im still gonna get the ph meter anyway but doing it this way for now shouldn't hurt should it?
 

budsmoker247

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Got me wondering - does it need to be a long straight period of darkness or can you space the 4-6 hours out evenly over the day? - like 10-15 minutes an hour?

I could buy a timer for my veggin closet to test it out, but i'd be afraid to harm my bonzai, clones and vegging girls (run 24 hour lights on atm)



it has to be a straight dark period i believe. if your looking for them to stretch. but if its on 24 and you wanna cut it down then cut it down gradually. thats what i plan on doing when i go to flower. ill go from 24 to 22 and so on.
 

budsmoker247

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now coming on my 5th week in veg 24/7 for my quadrifoliate LST. prob another week or so and ill put it into flower i think :D
 

beelzbub

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bongsmilieTL;DR?
-IF IT WORKS FOR YOU FINE. MANY GROW IN 24/0 AND IF YOU'RE HAPPY WITH YOUR YIELD THEN KUDOS.
-A plant takes light for food. When it's "full," it takes excess unused light and expends the energy as heat.
-If a plant is full, and is unable to expend incoming photons as heat, bad things happen.
-Plant goes from growth mode to defense mode, PSII inactivates, harmful photo-oxidation occurs, wasteful Calvin Cycle reactions/photorespiration take place
-Photo-respiration results in a NET LOSS of carbon and nitrogen, which can limit growth
-Plants with high nitrogen (aka veg phase) tolerate excess light
-Plants with low nitrogen (24/0 in the flowering phase? *SLAP*) tolerate excess light poorly
-MYTH: A plant "grows" when the lights are on.
-MYTH: Photosynthesis is good, it happens when light is on, so nonstop light must be good.
-MYTH: Plants grow in 18/6 because they are reaching for light.
-MYTH: Plants grow faster, shorter, bushier in excess light because they like it
-FACT: A plant "makes food," when the lights are on. It then USES this food to grow.
-FACT: Plants grow shorter and bushier because they are possibly stunted by metabolic changes due to excess light
-WHAT IS EXCESS LIGHT FOR CANNABIS? Unknown. Anecdotal evidence suggests 20/4, but surely varies between strains.
-Based on my research (as a Biochemistry/Microbiology double major *flex*) I HYPOTHESIZE that even 23/1 is superior to 24/0.
-When researching 24/0 vs 18/6, every CANNABIS-RELATED site was mixed 50/50, and typically was non-researched opinion based on personal experience or word of mouth.
every NON-CANNABIS RELATED site was OVERWHELMINGLY AGAINST 24/0, regardless of species.

For the record, it's 24/0, not 24/7. Saying 24/7 is like saying I give my plants 18 hours of light 6 days a week. 24 hours of light, 0 hours of dark. (Yes, I get that you mean light 24 hours, 7 days a week aka constant :) ) ANYWAY. First some science, then my opinion.

"Low light intensity can be compensated by increasing the time (duration) the plant is exposed to light, as long as the plant is not sensitive to day-length in its flowering response. Increased hours of lighting allow the plant to make sufficient food to survive and/or grow. However, plants require some period of darkness to develop properly and thus should be illuminated for no more than 16 hours. Excessive light is as harmful as too little light. When a plant gets too much direct light, the leaves become pale, sometimes sunburn, turn brown, and die. Therefore, during the summer months, protect plants from too much direct sunlight. "

---[SIZE=+1]An excerpt from the Texas Master Gardener Handbook
Compiled at Texas A&M University by
Douglas F. Welsh, Extension Horticulturist
Samuel D. Cotner, Extension Horticulturist
Texas A&M University

"[/SIZE]Other short-term responses to increases in light intensities include increases in cyclic electron transfer rates, activation of the Calvin cycle, and photorespiration. Long-term responses include reductions in effective light intensities by thickening and tilting of leaves, accumulation of anthocyanins, and movements of the chloroplasts [reviewed by: [4]]. A reduction in light harvesting can be achieved by reducing the size of the effective light-harvesting antenna, while energy utilization can be increased by up-regulation of the "dark" reactions. In addition, plants have scavenging systems that neutralize light-induced reactive oxygen species (ROS). ROS are generated, to some degree, at all light intensities, but especially when the intensity exceeds the capacity of the plant's photon utilization mechanisms."

In layman terms, a plant has built in mechanisms to compensate for excess light, to a certain extent.
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Improper excess light energy dissipation in Arabidopsis results in a metabolic reprogramming

http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2229/9/12




First, to clear the record just because they're called "dark reactions," doesn't mean they only take place during the dark, or at night. They're called dark reactions because they are "light-independent," aka they convert carbon into glucose and other compounds through reactions that don't require light. Some of these reactions are enzymatic-ally controlled via electron flow, which doesn't happen in the dark.

Second, photosynthesis is the process of converting CO2 + H2O -> Glucose (food) + O2. So logically, how can you feed a plant infinitely? Eventually it is going to reach it's metabolic equivalency where it doesn't want any more damn food, just like you don't want to constantly be eating cheeseburgers until you explode. Once that happens the plant's metabolism has to shift away from normal. If it's got all it's food and it can't give any more excess off as heat, it doesn't have a choice but to undergo metabolic change.

I'm having a hard time finding the post that made me switch from 24/0 to 18/6. Basically, when the lights are off you gain root mass, and the plant's metabolism is chuggin along normally, as it would in the wild. Better roots = more pot essentially. It included a table of some experimentation that showed root growth peaks between 16/8 and 20/4. From my own experience, the roots in my DWC didn't really grow until I gave them some dark time. From then my roots doubled in length in 3 days, but without a control group it's worthless data.

There are other factors for my personal choice though. First, I have small cabinets so heat is an issue; any time the plants get a break from the 82 degree temps is fine by me. Second, I have small cabinets :) So I'm more focused on getting a nice root mass than actual plant growth. That way once it hits 12/12 the plant will already have well developed roots to suck up all those nutes when it's making my buds and really starting to stretch out.


I smoked a J before writing this so it appears to have turned into a rant. I hope some of you find it useful :P
 

beelzbub

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There is something else possible I forgot. Since in an indoor grow situation it's possible to greatly speed up when flowering happens, maybe vegetative growth is not long enough a period (say 2-6 weeks?) for significant damage to occur, and 24/0 actually does excel in that short a time frame. I find it doubtful because I remember from the old chart I can't find that root length begin dropping off rapidly after 19/5 and longer.

Also, I'd like to see some tests done on extended non 24-hour days. Every schedule I've seen is some combination that adds up to 24 . What if a plant can handle more than 24 hours of continuous light, but just not for weeks at a time? In that case, something like 24/6 might work; a 30-hour day with 24 hours of full light then 6 of darkness. This would mean a rotating schedule that repeats every 4 days. I think the way current timers are designed that would be hard to pull off (since they're based on 24 hour days) it would be something definitely worth experimenting on with different strains.
 
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