Pop corn???

How do you prevent the bud from spread out over the place and stay in 1 big bud? Seem like I'm having that problem? I read it somewhere it says because of my lights are to high causing this? Is this true? Bottom line is what do I need to do to prevent this. Thank for all your help.
 

Brick Top

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Bud sites, places that buds will grow on a plant are up to the plant, you cannot alter that unless of course you just remove branches or areas of the plant .. which I would never suggest.

If you are saying that you are getting a lot of small light fluffy buds, likely on the lower portion of your plant(s) then you need better lighting and possibly better reflective material.

What lighting are you using? How many watts? How high above the tops of your plant(s) do you keep your light? What sort of reflective material are you using? How tall did you veg your plants before putting them into flower?

Also, are you talking about the lower portion of your plant(s) or elsewhere and if elsewhere how long have they been flowering and how many weeks of flowering does the breeder information say the strain needs to flower?
 
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Bud sites, places that buds will grow on a plant are up to the plant, you cannot alter that unless of course you just remove branches or areas of the plant .. which I would never suggest.

If you are saying that you are getting a lot of small light fluffy buds, likely on the lower portion of your plant(s) then you need better lighting and possibly better reflective material.

What lighting are you using? How many watts? How high above the tops of your plant(s) do you keep your light? What sort of reflective material are you using? How tall did you veg your plants before putting them into flower?

Also, are you talking about the lower portion of your plant(s) or elsewhere and if elsewhere how long have they been flowering and how many weeks of flowering does the breeder information say the strain needs to flower?
I have 2 lights and both are 1000watts. They're 24" to the top of the plant. I use those shiny reflective material they sell at the hydro store

They're 4wks into flowering stage. The top seems have bigger bud but they so far apart from each other and I have no clue what strain they are. Thank again for the input
 

JackBaneNapier

Active Member
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I have 2 lights and both are 1000watts. They're 24" to the top of the plant. I use those shiny reflective material they sell at the hydro store

They're 4wks into flowering stage. The top seems have bigger bud but they so far apart from each other and I have no clue what strain they are. Thank again for the input

dude this is just fine your gonna get some good colas and yeah the pop corn bude on the lower part it's no big deal and its a sativa sativa's wanna grow tall so your more likely to get pop corn buds! just give it some time and keep the light as low ass you can without burning the plant and next time you grow top and LST your plant so all buds get light here is a pic of my first plant sativa dom. got some pop buds but it in this pic is only 4 and a half weeks into flower topped early and i kinda droped the ball on the lst i did it late but the point is it looks just like your plant when it was young >>>P1060090.jpg and thay fucking "EXPLODED" during the 5th 6th and 7th week there small in this early pic
 

Brick Top

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I have 2 lights and both are 1000watts. They're 24" to the top of the plant. I use those shiny reflective material they sell at the hydro store

They're 4wks into flowering stage. The top seems have bigger bud but they so far apart from each other and I have no clue what strain they are. Thank again for the input
Be patient .. as the buds grow larger many will grow until they appear to be one much larger bud rather than numerous smaller buds. You cannot expect a cola at every bud site but it takes time for entire buds to form.

Many people believe a bud is female flower, but that is not exactly true. Each individual seed pod is a female flower and they grow in clusters and depending on genetics and location on the plant and lighting and conditions and environment and grower skill will dictate what the final bud size will be.

A harvested cola that looks like a Louisville Slugger will begin as a number of smaller individual clusters of seed pods forming small buds. In time they grow until they grow until they appear to be one, they basically grow together and in time they form what appears to be one massive bud. The same thing happens at every level of a plant, but to a lesser degree the farther down the plant you go. Buds at or near the tops of plants will be larger and as you move down the plant the bud size will become smaller. That is just how things happen, unless you screw up and or have problems that will hold back production.

At four weeks you have some time to go before you will know the final outcome. Buds grow the most, pack on the most size/weight and resin in the last several weeks of growth. Unless you just have really crummy bulbs, the wrong K range bulbs, or they are old and not putting out the needed proper spectrum and they need to be replaced, you should end up with some nice good sized buds.

I think you are expecting too much too soon. Just be patient. Rome wasn't built in a day and neither was Syracuse.
 
dude this is just fine your gonna get some good colas and yeah the pop corn bude on the lower part it's no big deal and its a sativa sativa's wanna grow tall so your more likely to get pop corn buds! just give it some time and keep the light as low ass you can without burning the plant and next time you grow top and LST your plant so all buds get light here is a pic of my first plant sativa dom. got some pop buds but it in this pic is only 4 and a half weeks into flower topped early and i kinda droped the ball on the lst i did it late but the point is it looks just like your plant when it was young >>>View attachment 1382275 and thay fucking "EXPLODED" during the 5th 6th and 7th week there small in this early pic
Thank you for your help. What's LST? Your is humongous. Correct me if I'm wrong ok. Next season let the plants grow taller before blooming them right?
 
Be patient .. as the buds grow larger many will grow until they appear to be one much larger bud rather than numerous smaller buds. You cannot expect a cola at every bud site but it takes time for entire buds to form.

Many people believe a bud is female flower, but that is not exactly true. Each individual seed pod is a female flower and they grow in clusters and depending on genetics and location on the plant and lighting and conditions and environment and grower skill will dictate what the final bud size will be.

A harvested cola that looks like a Louisville Slugger will begin as a number of smaller individual clusters of seed pods forming small buds. In time they grow until they grow until they appear to be one, they basically grow together and in time they form what appears to be one massive bud. The same thing happens at every level of a plant, but to a lesser degree the farther down the plant you go. Buds at or near the tops of plants will be larger and as you move down the plant the bud size will become smaller. That is just how things happen, unless you screw up and or have problems that will hold back production.

At four weeks you have some time to go before you will know the final outcome. Buds grow the most, pack on the most size/weight and resin in the last several weeks of growth. Unless you just have really crummy bulbs, the wrong K range bulbs, or they are old and not putting out the needed proper spectrum and they need to be replaced, you should end up with some nice good sized buds.

I think you are expecting too much too soon. Just be patient. Rome wasn't built in a day and neither was Syracuse.
Thank you for the little lesson. To be honest I'm not sure what to expect obviously this is my first time doing this, kinda fun. I understand the smaller bud in lower branch however my next question is the distance between each bud is something that we can control or it's totally of the strain? Sorry If i sound like a nut.
 

Brick Top

New Member
Thank you for your help. What's LST? Your is humongous. Correct me if I'm wrong ok. Next season let the plants grow taller before blooming them right?
LST .. low stress training. There are actually different ways to low stress train but many people do not consider them to still be low stress training, even though they are.


Part III - Low Stress Training

It is easy to get confused about low stress training when you are first exploring cannabis training. This is because the acronym for low stress training (LST) also happens to be the name coined for a particular type of low stress training. No one is quite sure of the source, but many attribute it back to Delta or myMUSICveins (thanks greenisgold) for popularizing the name and the technique.







There are two main types of low stress training:
1) The tie-down method
2) Screen of Green (ScrOG)

Low stress training does not require any mutilation or damage to the plant which, for some, is the sole reason to use it above high stress training methods. Low stress training is done by tricking the plant into thinking the apical tips are no longer able to be the apical tips. In nature, if a branch gets blocked by another branch, or a large leaf from another tree, the plant will do it's best to navigate the growing tip so that it can continue growing upwards.

If, however, the plant cannot easily find a way to make that growing tip go back towards the light, the level of auxins will shift, and the lower sites will be called upon to try and stretch up to become the next apical tip.

This process can be repeated over, and over again in our controlled, indoor environments: apical tip grows up, apical tip trained down, other tips grow up, other tips tied down, more tips up, and so on.

Now, let's look at the two approaches to low stress training.

First we'll explore the tie-down method that is also just known as LST. There are a couple different approaches to LST.
a) Constantly training a single apical tip
b) Training every apical tip

The first approach involves constantly training, and untraining, the main apical tip so as to utilize as much of the growing pot as possible. TillthedayiDIE420 from rollitup has a great image detailing this method:




In the image, the 1st large number represents the week. The second large number represents the size of the pot in inches. Although it does not need to be followed exactly, the idea is there.

The second approach to LST is simple: train every apical tip down until you are happy with the bush you have.

There are many different ways to attach the training to the pot and the plant. In addition, there are many materials that you can use to apply the training.

I prefer using clipped pieces of shielded copper wiring. This reduces the amount of time you have to fuss with knots and the pieces are easily reusable.

For attaching, you can attach the tip to the base of the stem to begin with. From there, you can either put holes in your containers, or tie some rubberbands around the outside and pull the training medium down to them. They just snap in place. Very handy and easy, though the rubberbands have to be replaced:









Now that we've gone over LST, we can look at the Screen Of Green method.

The ScrOG method is almost identical to the LST method. Instead of using string or wire, a screen is fastened to the pot, buried along the edges of the pot and stretched up across the plant, or built separately from the plant. Once the plant has reached suitable height, training can begin. Once the screen is above the plant and the apical tip is long enough, it is bent down and pushed beneath the screen. This will cause the tip to grow horizontally. In addition, it will promote new tips further down the stem. These tips can then be trained downwards for horizontal growth, or trained to grow upwards in the hole of your choosing after some horizontal growth.




Eventually, the main tip will find it's way to a hole in the screen and start to grow up again. Depending on the size of your screen, you can push it back down and under to promote more growth further down the stem, or allow it to continue upwards with the new tips that you have created.

ScrOGs can be done for single plants, 2-3 plants or multiple plants in a SoG-style setup.



Once you have a nice screen of tips, or a jungle of trainings from string/wiring, you can send the plant into flower and watch the magic happen.

Now that we've looked at the different types of LST, let's look at the pros and cons of each.

LST (Tie-down method)
-Pros
Requires very little materials
Can be moved from pot to pot relatively easily
Easy
-Cons
Time consuming (especially if using string)
Materials may be harder to reuse
Harder for larger applications

Screen Of Green (ScrOG)
-Pros
Easy to train once setup
Screens can be easily reused
Can be done for large applications w/out requiring much time
Cool as hell to look at
Easy to harvest
-Cons
Requires setup
Hard to transport or move from pot to pot
Requires a bit more learning
Requires planning ahead of time for best results

Since both methods are so similar, it really ends up coming down to a matter of style and preference more than anything. Both produce excellent results and can greatly increase your harvest. This is especially true for micro-growers where every bud-site counts.

Speaking of every bud-site counting, we're going to explore the last bit of "training" for this guide. I put quotations because, well, it's not really a type of "training" at all. Follow along and you'll see what I'm talking about.
 

Brick Top

New Member
Thank you for the little lesson. To be honest I'm not sure what to expect obviously this is my first time doing this, kinda fun. I understand the smaller bud in lower branch however my next question is the distance between each bud is something that we can control or it's totally of the strain? Sorry If i sound like a nut.
The distance between bud-sites will pretty much be what it will be. It is mainly genetic. There are some things that can cause some slight additional spreading of them but it is not like you can force or grow a plant to have bud-sites packed closer together than the plant's genetic makeup calls for. Bud-sites will be closer together on some strains and father apart on others. Depending on what strain or strains you grow you pretty much will get what you get.

Improper lighting/low lighting/low quality lighting will cause stretch, not only in the main stem but also in branches, spreading out bud-sites somewhat but the difference will not be tremendous and doing everything exactly perfect will not mean bud-sites will be lined up on branches like dominoes laid end to end or a string of pearls.

But as I said, many of the different separated bud-sites will grow together as as you get further along in flower as each cluster of individual female flowers, seed pods, grow and expand in number and size until in many cases they will appear to connect and be one.

Even a massive cola that looks like one gigantic single bud is nothing more than a collection of buds that began as small clusters, buds, of individual female flowers that grew and grew in size and numbers until they took on the appearance of being one massive single bud.
 
Wow...that is lot of good info. Thank a bunch. I know some guys they clip off the tip after 4 or 5weeks so the plants stop growing taller is this for the same reason?
 

Brick Top

New Member
Wow...that is lot of good info. Thank a bunch. I know some guys they clip off the tip after 4 or 5weeks so the plants stop growing taller is this for the same reason?

Doing that would not stop growth. It is just topping and the plant(s) will push out new main leaders (main stems) but they will continue to grow, they just will not get as tall as if allowed to grow in their natural form.
 

*BUDS

Well-Known Member
How do you prevent the bud from spread out over the place and stay in 1 big bud? Seem like I'm having that problem? I read it somewhere it says because of my lights are to high causing this? Is this true? Bottom line is what do I need to do to prevent this. Thank for all your help.
less time in veg helps prevent this branching and trim the lower 3rd of the plant.
 

JackBaneNapier

Active Member
Thank you for your help. What's LST? Your is humongous. Correct me if I'm wrong ok. Next season let the plants grow taller before blooming them right?
its a sativa indica sativa dom it was a bag seed from a Medical Marijuana Grower and its very easy to grow! it might be that? but LST is (Low stress training) during veg tie the branches down so the plant grows bushy not tall you will get more and bigger bud!! you might not need to worry so much with a indica but growing asativa dom mixed plant or a 100% sativa inside you really need to top and lst unless you got a giant grow room!!
 
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