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Ever feel bad when pirating music?

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http://torrentfreak.com/record-labels-to-pay-45-million-for-pirating-artists-music-110110/

The major record labels are known for their harsh stance on copyright infringements, which in an ironic turn of events is now costing them millions of dollars. Revealing a double standard when it comes to ‘piracy’, Warner Music, Sony BMG Music, EMI Music and Universal Music now have to pay Canadian artists $45 Million for the illegal use of thousands of tracks on compilation CDs.

It is no secret that the major record labels have a double standard when it comes to copyright. On the one hand they try to put operators of BitTorrent sites in jail and ruin the lives of single mothers and students by demanding hundreds of thousands of dollars in fines, and on the other they sell CDs containing music for which they haven’t always cleared the rights. This happens worldwide and more frequently than one would think.
Over the years the labels have made a habit of using songs from a wide variety of artists for compilation CDs without securing the rights. They simply use the recording and make note of it on “pending list” so they can deal with it later. This has been going on since the 1980s and since then the list of unpaid tracks (or copyright infringements) has grown to 300,000 in Canada alone.
This questionable practice has been the subject of an interesting Canadian class action lawsuit which was started in 2008. A group of artists and composers who grew tired of waiting endlessly for their money filed a lawsuit against four major labels connected to the CRIA, the local equivalent of the RIAA.
Warner Music, Sony BMG Music, EMI Music and Universal Music were sued for the illegal use of thousands of tracks and risked paying damages of up to $6 billion. Today the news broke that the two parties have agreed upon a settlement, where the record labels are required to pay $45 million to settle the copyright infringement claims.
During the case the labels were painfully confronted with their own double standard when it comes to copyright infringement. “The conduct of the defendant record companies is aggravated by their strict and unremitting approach to the enforcement of their copyright interests against consumers,” the artists argued in their initial claim for damages.
Of course, the labels are not so quick to admit their wrongdoing and in their press release the settlement is described as a compromise. “The settlement is a compromise of disputed claims and is not an admission of liability or wrongdoing by the record labels,” it reads.
David Basskin, President and CEO of one of the major Canadian licensing collectives, was nonetheless happy with the outcome. “This agreement with the four major labels resolves all outstanding pending list claims. EMI, Sony, Universal and Warner are ensuring that the net result is more money for songwriters and music publishers. It’s a win for everyone,” he said.
The major issues that led to this dispute are not resolved though. After paying off a small part of their debt the labels can continue to ‘pirate’ artists’ music as usual, using their work and placing the outstanding payments on a pending list for decades. A real solution would require the licensing system to change, and that’s not likely to happen anytime soon.
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Quite a joke really :D we get so muchs tick and such, DRM, endless moaning from record labels etc, about how we are ruining them and costing them billions and billions (they don't take into account we wouldn't buy the crap we downloaded). Seems they're nowt but a load of knob jockeys! Surprised i'#d not read of this type of thing before. Not surprised that i had to link to a torrent site etc, didn't readily find any mainstream sources who've published the info other than dailytech.


Note that they state it's not an admission of culpability or whatnot, and that they hadn't pirated the tracks, but they intended to pay for them at some point, well hopw come joe blogs can't make that statement? And 45 million for 30 years of piracy, let alone the fact that they then sell on the tracks as opposed to piracies typically free nature. Very amusing to see what they trya nd get away with :D
 
CSI Stickyicky

CSI Stickyicky

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If i find a band i like and respect, i BUY A TICKET TO A SHOW of theirs. That way, the band gets a respectable cut, instead of some douche bag record exec taking all the profits.

And i like supporting the concert industry, because i have many friends that are employed in the concert industry. There is a lot of work that goes into setting up a show.
 
Luger187

Luger187

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i dont feel bad at all. the artist makes only a few pennies per cd sold. so if were not taking money from their pockets, who r we taking from? the record execs!

and like u said... the VAST majority of the things i download i would NEVER pay money for. its just something to do at the time, and its free, so i watch/listen to it lol. if i saw it on a shelf at the store, theres no way id pay 15 bucks for a dvd that i would probably watch once.
 
Banditt

Banditt

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Movie stars, athletes, musicians....all grosely overpaid for what they do. I don't feel bad in the least bit downloading a movie or album. If it is THAT good I buy it anyway.
 
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Chad Sexington

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I don't really download music, but I do download alot of movies. Who is going to pay 12.50 to go see a movie in the theatre, even renting a movie cost a lot of money now, so pirate it. Pretty much the same shit as netflix and you can get them all in 1080p. Oh and no, I do not feel bad for doing so.
 
Gafoogle

Gafoogle

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no, not at all. if I want to support them I'll do some promotion for them via artwork and I'll try to go to their shows if I can. but fuck the record companies
 
tip top toker

tip top toker

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Chad Sexington said:
I don't really download music, but I do download alot of movies. Who is going to pay 12.50 to go see a movie in the theatre, even renting a movie cost a lot of money now, so pirate it. Pretty much the same shit as netflix and you can get them all in 1080p. Oh and no, I do not feel bad for doing so.
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I'e always had this feeling, people keep telling me that nothing is like the cinema experience. Well how about i counter with leather sofas and chairs, big flatscreen, bongs joints beers and hell, we can even pause the film if we wish :D Only chance i'll goto the cinema is if i really erally really want to watch it, so not avata, or if they either offer a full refund if i am unhappy with the "product" as i would if i'd boght the dvd in a shop, or they offer me a dvd after watching if i was happy. Not paying no fucking £8+ for a one time viewing.
 
brownbearclan

brownbearclan

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No at all considering 95% of is pure crap. I like to think of it as sampling before purchasing. If an album is really good I'll buy it so I have an archived hard copy. Also if bands I like come to town we try to go see their show and buy their schwagg too. Plus you can't put a price on free word of mouth advertising when something really kicks ass and you blab about it all over FB, MS, Twits, etc. =)

Plus there will ALWAYS be those do-gooders out there that refuse to download anything ever. ::shrug::
 
mouthmeetsoap

mouthmeetsoap

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Music should be, and always should have been free. Imagine how much better music would be if we had nothing but artists who wanted to create music because they simply wanted to create music rather than thinking of it as a profession. People who think bands or artists (I really question the artistic ability of most of them) have "made" it because they are on a record label are the reason that the most popular music isn't music at all but just artificial noises at the tips of your fingers.
 
Gafoogle

Gafoogle

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brownbearclan said:
you can't put a price on free word of mouth advertising when something really kicks ass and you blab about it all over FB, MS, Twits, etc.
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exactly the way I see it. if a musician has a gift and deserves to be a musician, will work hard for it, then the fans and the money will come without all of this record label SHIT.
 
canuckgrow

canuckgrow

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No I don't feel bad at all...i've spent literally 1000's on Records, Tapes, CD's over the years.....Not too mention concert tickets T shirts and such.....I think Gene Simmons and Lars Ulrich are living fairly comfortably wouldn't you say?
 
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