Whats Wrong With These Plants???????Please Help

vapeape

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45 to 50 days old
pro mix
pbp justgave a full dose , was using 50% ratio every third watering, symptoms started before applying the full dose.
cal mag, was feeding 50% every third watering
in veg
humidity was 16 % now around 25-30
seems to be getting worse quickly
 

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Nullis

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pH? And how often are you watering? Room temperature? Are you using RO or tap water? Do you know the TDS of the water before you add the Cal-Mag?

I suspect a pH problem but we'll see.
 

vapeape

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ph at 6.3-6, room temps 74 to 78f, 68 at night, water when dry and light about every 3 to 4 days, tap water left out with airstone bubblin away, dont check tds
 

buddwasher

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if it was mine i would re - pot, flush with fresh water only x2 per day for as long as it took

i can only think its over watering/ nute burn

i dont do dirt so excuse me for asking but when u water does the runoff sit in bottom of bucket - in hydro this would be real bad news
 

Nullis

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How dry? Don't let them dry out completely, there should really be some moisture in the medium at all times; after the first couple inches have dried out is a good time to water.

Is the problem limited to the upper/newer growth?
 

vapeape

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yeah i mean they dont go dry completely where they wilt, just when they need it.
its in the new growth all in the new shoots.
budwasher there is no run off. i water just before the soil is saturated.
thanks guys for the trouble shooting.. much appreciated
 

Nullis

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There should be run-off, at least some of it and at least every other watering. How are you checking the pH?

In all likelihood it's a micronute deficiency; immobile elements show symptoms in the newer growth because those elements don't move easily enough to support it like the macro-nutrients do. Could be boron, iron, zinc, manganese...doubt that it's sulfur. I would get a good micro-nutrient formula and apply it foliarly as well as to the soil. I use Earth Juice Microblast, which covers virtually all the micros, and I haven't seen anything like that on my plants. I also don't use Pro-Mix though, not sure what kind of issues it is prone to.

Another thing to rule out is any kind of pest infestation, particularly spider mites. There looks to be some whitening on the upper leaves (spider mites leave freckled white spots) but it could also be the lighting/camera which is what makes this all the more difficult.
 

Mr.Sativa

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Dude, what lights are you using? How far away are they? From here, it looks as if you've got light burning, or mites or powdery mildew. I'd say it's the lights...it looks like it's the lights! On the first pic you can see the whitening on the leaves and you can also see that the upper most leaves are really quite dry. Too much light can be a problem!!! Other than that, take a look at this guide to sick plants...it's awsome! http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=11688 ...besides all that!! I'd prolly re-pot and mix in new soil and nutes...maybe just maybe your nutes are getting locked out by hard spots in the soil, which could also be explained by close or too much light!
 

*BUDS

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Whats not wrong with them? its a ph issue and a bad one, get another meter and double check bro.
 

cpc

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your in soil right? don't worry about ph soil is a ph buffer. if i were you i'd cut the calmag. i used it like you did and saw simular problems. i run roots organics soil and nutes.
 

vapeape

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no bugs, no mildew,not burn under an aircooled(seriously cool) lamp 8 inches away, 400 watt, never heard of to much light, maybe micro nutrients but thats what i use the calmag for it is supposed to be packed with trace elements and such. i have used pro mix for ahwhile just started having issues. it is affecting all strins the same way. uggh i am baffled. my ph is 6-6.3. just calibrated my ph meter with a borax solution a few days ago also usedthe shitty little vial and drops ph checker with the same results.
 

snew

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your in soil right? don't worry about ph soil is a ph buffer. if i were you i'd cut the calmag. i used it like you did and saw simular problems. i run roots organics soil and nutes.
This is it. You plants over all are dark green, It appears you new growth is yellowing. It would think its to much of something. There is know reason to need that much ca-mag in a soil mix, should need to feed like that in soil, thats one of the benefits of soil. Your watering light all seem good. Just water, maybe a flush but I wouldn't know about that.
 

buddwasher

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also look up about photosythesis - i am pretty sure 15% humidity is too dry - the plant defends its self from drying out by closing its stomata (pours on underside of leaf) this means the plants are not breathing properly - they absorbing co2 fine but unable to releasr o2 as stomata closed most of the time

how do those roots look btw ?


You need alot more imput these are some of the sickest plants i seen - i just hope some more experienced growers on here can nail it down for u

keep us posted much info as poss
 

Learning all the time

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how old are they?
how long has this problem been happening?
have you been feeding nutrients since they were little?
what's the tds of your tap water before nutes?
how many ml/L are you using of cal mag and pbp?
i'm guessing grow, not bloom. what color is the triangle on the front of the bottle? :)

there are many questions to be asked and many to be answered if you want your plants to survive. if you've got time, and the material left on a healthy plant, take some clippings and get some fresh ones started, then start a journal and write down what you do, so if ever there's a problem someone with experience can come look at your plants history and say "here's where you went wrong!". nobody's trying to put you down, but constructively build you up. we've all made mistakes, and anyone who says they walked into this with a green thumb that's never yellowed is a liar! damn good joints there! I love a good cone in the morning, after noon, evening, and midnight. :)
 

Nullis

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Cal-Mag provides calcium and magnesium which are considered secondary nutrients (some even consider them primary nutrients so far as cannabis is concerned) as they are needed in more abundant amounts than are boron, iron, zinc, manganese, et al which are the trace or micro-nutrients.

If you're using tap water you really don't need to use any Cal-Mag because it is likely that a sufficient level of dissolved minerals such as Ca and Mg are present already.

I don't really want to get into the whole "soil is a buffer" thing right now. But first of all, many potting soils are not true soils at all and secondly pH does matter in soil but we perceive that it matters much less in healthy, inoculated and properly amended soil (with lime for instance, which is the buffer).

Too much Ca locks out Mg, as well as Fe and K while too much Mg locks out Ca and other trace elements. I fail to see any signs of Ca or Mg def/lockout in those photos, symptoms would appear in the middle of the plant. However, Mg does begin to lock out at a pH below 6.5 (as does molybdenum, but MO is mobile). Therefore, I reassert that you go out and find yourself a good micronute formula and foliar feed with it pronto. You might also try watering in some dolomite limestone for the hell of it; to raise the pH up a bit more and serve as a preventative substitute for the Cal-Mag.

The only other thing I can ask you is what size containers you are growing in? Are you sure that your plants aren't getting root bound?
 

vapeape

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ohh is that micro extreme serene if so that is liquid kelp, i have nitrozime wich is cold pressed kelp i have just hit em with some of that foiliarly with a little epsom salt not much just incase of mag deff.
 
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