Considering an outdoor grow, have a question or 2.

[TruenoAE86coupe]

I have a pretty big seed stock that is a little too likely to hermie for me to put in my room, so i have been considering an outdoor grow. I have access to a corn field, however i have read several times not to grow in a corn field (never had an explaintion though). A little background on the property, it is pivot irrigated with at least 150 acres in corn (well corn for the last several years), the property is what is known as a "flag pole" which is a city bought the land even though the city is no where near the plot of land. It is farmed by a person who i believe is paid to farm it for the city. Therefore this land is not very well observed, and quite open. What would be the downfalls of using this field? I only plan to put out a dozen or so plants, spread out across 40 acres or so.
Second, how large should the plants be before i plant them outdoors? Thanks in advance for any info, +rep for constructive comments.

 

[kiwiskunk]

As long as you wait untill the corn is atleast knee height you should be fine. Also if you plan to plant straight into the ground you will need to dig up a few layers of the soil as it will be loaded with pesticides and weed killers.. good luck bro

 

[Krokaine]

1) How will you access and water your plants?
2) Soil, will you bring in your own soil or use whats there?
3) YOU CAN NEVER BEEN SEEN ON THIS PROPERTY WATERING OR ATTENDING YOUR PLANTS....stealth IS the KEY if you are to do this, Tell no one

-Krok

Remember your trespassing on private property

 

[*BUDS]

biggest risk, that caretaker becomes nosey.

 

[TruenoAE86coupe]

1) Access is open from every side, so getting in and out (once the corn is of height) will be able to be varied on every trip. It is pivot irrigated for the corn, therefore i do not think i should need to water (therefore very few trips out to see the plants), but what should i do about adding nutes?
2) This is kinda of why i was asking questions now, i believe i could import some soil before they plant, obviously under the cover of night. The issue i see with this is finding my spots now, tearing out what remains of last years corn, adding soil and even after blending and putting some of the corn stalks back, the spots will stick out like a sore thumb and the farmer will watch for something. Could i get away with using what he is using to grow the corn or would it make a huge difference to import the dirt?
3) As i said in #1 i hope for the pivot to water my plants, other than once to plant and add nutes, once to check for males and add nutes, maybe one more nute and then a final to chop them. So four times total, may be a little optimistic but that is all the more times i plan to enter the field at all.
Would i really be trespassing on PRIVATE property? or would it be public because a city (tax payers) bought it? Probably still trespassing either way... still feel better that it is city and not private. If this was a farmers own land i would not even attempt it, he would care then, could be risking getting him in trouble, or ruining an indoor or something he has going. I believe he just farms this to keep the land covered, but i am sure he barely checks on it, and when he does it is just a general crop overview not a very specific look, it is a large field. If i can keep my tops below the corn tops i do not believe it will be seen. May need a couple of trips to tie things down, but i plan to do a weekly overview of the field myself to watch for unwanted tops poking up.

*buds- Really the beauty of this is the fact he does not live near the field so he will not check it daily and cannot watch for me to enter. The only houses around will not question me being there at all (unless someone sees me actually enter the field). I know every vehicle that should be in a half mile of the field and if any are there that are not supposed to be, i just wait.

 

[kiwiskunk]

Sounds like you have it sussed.. something I have learnt this year is to ALWAYS tend your guerilla plants at night, no matter the circumstances. Keep it up bro post a thread when you get it started

 

[Chunky]

Sounds like you have it sussed.. something I have learnt this year is to ALWAYS tend your guerilla plants at night, no matter the circumstances. Keep it up bro post a thread when you get it started

All well and good but your neighbours do not enjoy the good fortunes of having practically no lethal animals. .

 

[TruenoAE86coupe]

All well and good but your neighbours do not enjoy the good fortunes of having practically no lethal animals. .

What?!? I do not understand what you mean by that.

 

[Chunky]

What?!? I do not understand what you mean by that.

He's From New Zealand they next to no dangerous animals. I am from Australia we have the most venomous snakes/spiders and have goannas foxes, dingoes, wild dogs and a whole host of other nasty venomous animals capable of killing a man.

Making walking around the bush a night a bad Idea.

 

[PuffinPurp]

if your gonna grow on '' city '' proptery i would just throw them out there but in groups of 2 or 3. i wouldn just spread them out, its gonna be hard 2 find them when the corn does grow up.

you should also use ur own soil in ur own buckets and give neturnts yourself. corn is the most nitrogen usein plant farmers grow, so you should be aware that his version of neturts comeing from his watering system will probly contain LARGE ammounts of nitro which will kill ur plants.

as for how tall they should be, you should just straight up get them started (bout half inch big) then transplant them. this way theres not so much shock later on.

by the time they are done they may very well be higher than the corn remeber this , dependin on the % of stavita in them they will get up 6 to 12 ft outside. its not uncommon for a stavita to reach 10 ft for an exp grower.

 

[Nice Ol Bud]

if your gonna grow on '' city '' proptery i would just throw them out there but in groups of 2 or 3. i wouldn just spread them out, its gonna be hard 2 find them when the corn does grow up.

you should also use ur own soil in ur own buckets and give neturnts yourself. corn is the most nitrogen usein plant farmers grow, so you should be aware that his version of neturts comeing from his watering system will probly contain LARGE ammounts of nitro which will kill ur plants.

as for how tall they should be, you should just straight up get them started (bout half inch big) then transplant them. this way theres not so much shock later on.

by the time they are done they may very well be higher than the corn remeber this , dependin on the % of stavita in them they will get up 6 to 12 ft outside. its not uncommon for a stavita to reach 10 ft for an exp grower.

I like your avatar man.

 

[TruenoAE86coupe]

Puffin- I was really wondering how i was going to find them as things grow, i figure a map will only work so so unless i put out "landmarks" as this is a very large field. I figure some of it can be counted out, but i don't want to walk up the 16th row to the left every time i have to go, that would leave footprints and a way to find me.

What do you mean my own soil in my own buckets? you mean like plant it in a 5 gallon bucket and leave the whole bucket out there? or bury it? or just use it to get the soil to the spot. Is there anything i can do about the large amount of Nitrogen? maybe more p and k? probably just burn the shit out of it. Thoughts on soil i should use for this? Should i use soil or soilless to help drain away the nitrogen?

If i wait until the fourth of july to plant (knee high by the forth of july) and keep them less than 3" so or tall do you think they would still be over 6'? The belief is they are mainly indica seeds, but the last set i ran inside put out 4' tall plants from like 12-15" vegged plants, of course that is indoors with hydro. I don't mind if i have to tie them some, but at 10-12 feet i would have to chop, otherwise i think no matter how i tied them they would be findable.

 

[PuffinPurp]

you have to remeber that corn grows EXTREMELY tall lol, they reach up to 8ft themselves. so u shouldn have 2 worry 2 much bout that so much. just make sur they blend in ya'no. just dont let them get more than 6/8 inchs taller than the neighboring corn plants. as for the nitro problem, that cant be avoided i dont think. because if the guy has a spray system (thoes water spickets set up on poles) the your plants will absorbe the nitro threw there leaves. it can be done i no that, but idk what ur gonna do 2 off set all that nitro.

yes i would use ur own buckets and ur own soil (bury the bucket so it doesn stick out like a sore thumb) because the soil hes usein has probly been grown off of for years . it probly doesn have the trace neturts you need nor the quality you want for marijuana. not 2 mention as i stated ealier on, corn is the most usein nitro plant farmers use. if you plant it straight in soil it will probly cause neturt probs for you later on.

as for your prob with finding them. i would suggest either knowin the proptery very well orrr go buy a low tech gps system and point out ur cords. you could also use a numbers system.

for example, day 1 you go 16th row left an 12th row right. day 2 you go 17th row left and 11th row right. then you change it up every other time you visit. youll need atleast 6/10 dif ways for this 2 work w/o leavein noticeable imprints from u walkin it offten.

 

[PuffinPurp]

OOOHHHH also, if ur gonna grow outside an water at night. leave ur water jugs outside so they are the same temp as the weather outside. this will cause less stress. i had some issues with that last year so i just ended up leavein 5gal buckets outside filled with water 2 avoid that prob.

 

[PuffinPurp]

I like your avatar man.

thanks man, lol steal the pic if u want. idc if sum1 else has it.

 

[PuffinPurp]

for an idea how big stavitas can get outside heres a pic. that was 3 weeks in2 flowering, im 6'2 lol. that plant on the left is a lil over 7ft (i bent it by misteak in that pic) the one on the right is a lil under 8 1/2 ft. thoes were about 80% stavita. (kaya gold 10th generationed grown localy).

 

[PuffinPurp]

sorry pic is wayyy 2 small, heres link. annn sorry for spammin ur form cuz haha my bad. https://www.rollitup.org/outdoor-growing/356977-how-long-untill-they-start.html

 

[TruenoAE86coupe]

I do know this field extremely well, i have been watching it no joke for like 5 years trying to figure out if it was possible to get it to truly work, i would be pissed if they get found any where near harvest, thats why i don't put them by the river much nearer my place, but i do still like the gps idea, cause i see that shit being a damn corn maze when i get into it. It is unfortunately not sweet corn that grows 8' tall, it is "field" corn that tops off closer to 6' but gets much less attention, and is harvested extremely late, as some sweet corn would be harvested too early here i believe. Therefore i do need to be a little more careful on total heights, although my intention is that you need to be in the field before you could even remotely see as far as they are, like i said its a huge field. As far as my water temp goes, im not too stressed on that as it is pivot irrigated which means that it is pumped straight from a well, through the pivot sections and sprayed, i imagine that is pretty damn near my ro res temp. I have not been out to the field in a month or so at this point, so i have not seen this years top soil (manure) spread, but he does typically put a topping on the soil so im sure it has some nutes, but i do plan to add my own. I am really unsure of the whole bucket thing, couple of reasons, i do not really have a way to bury 12 buckets in the dark without being noticed until the corn is 5' tall at least. Something tells me a back hoe out in the field might be a red flag too, especially since it is actually red LoL. I honestly am thinking fuck the results this time, i just want to see if it is really feasible to do at all. I plan to set up a perpetual in feb anyhow, so finding time is going to be hell.
My final plan i believe is this, Germ my seeds to be strong and pick the strongest healthest, most female looking (yeah i know that sounds stupid and they are not in fact set in what sex they are going to be but that fuckin tall one always ends up being male) to about an average of 3" and take 12 or so with a bunch of soil. Dig out a 4-5 gallon size hole, fill with my dirt and put the seedling in, and water with nutes. Place all 12 then spread some slow release fert on them before i leave. Go back to check for sex (may have a little one in my yard to judge when to do this), pull males and fert again. return maybe 2 more times through flower then one time to take them all down and out.

 

[PuffinPurp]

sounds like a plan man lol. i didn realize thats what corn you had up there. the only corn field iv seen was sweet corn so my bad on that call.

if you no the field well then you should be good untill it gets tall, gps would be the best way i would no of . the bucket idea wouldn require a backhoe lol, just get a lil sholve and go out there every night before you plant (bout 2 weeks before) and just dig the hole , burry the bucket completly this way they are undetected. then come back later on an transplant.

yes i would check the topsoil, i would also check the soil as far down as 1 or 2 ft to c the quality of it.

i understand what ur sayin about water, but i honestly belive his water will contain neturts in it. lets hope they dont for ur sake, lol at this point its a wing it haha.

im gonna follow this, i wanna c how this grow turns out for ya. because i may try this next year but on a pipeline (gas line path threw forest).