i need help leaves are taco shaped

crow499

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i have a hydro drip system my leaves are a taco shaped i have had this problem for sometime i have asked about it on here and every one told me to change water and take out all nutes and thats what i did but my leaves are still doing it and some of the plants that were not tacoed have started to do it to does any one have any ideas could this be a root problem my roots are a light brown
 

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taco??? lolololol - but seriously i seen that b4 and it just went away over time i guess. check the ph maybe
 

hobbyist09

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i`ve got the same problem with my drip now i lowered the temp and they seemed to level out almost back to norm
 

Brick Top

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What temperature range do you keep? What is the temperature range at the top of your canopy? Heat stress can cause leaves to roll/fold up like that.

This is a pictures of heat stress problems. Notice some of the leaves rolled/folded up like yours?



But the brown roots doesn't sound all that good either.
 

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Root Rot
What causes root rot? Low Oxygen levels. (DO) Desolved Oxigen. Temp's are the main reason for root rot, Low temps will lower the DO levels and high temps will cause low DO levels. Keeping temps between 65 to 72 will allow MAX DO levels or max o2 for roots.

Over watering also causes root rot, Root Rot infects parts of the roots, which then spread infecting the whole roots causing death, Root Rot can be caused by to high of temps in hydro as well as over watering. Not enough drainage in your soil can cause Root Rot, even signs of it looking over watered, because the soil holds moisture to long for the roots to dry out. So these 3 things are all connected together. The main one that causes everything is over watering. Once you find out you have root rot, depending on how bad the problem is, you can add H202( Hydrogen Peroxide) with your water or hydro setup to kill the bacteria caused from root rot. If the plant is severely taken over by it, there are only a few things you can do, cut off the roots affected by it depending on if its hair roots or tap roots, use H202 mixed with water in a different bucket and use it for a dip to help kill off bacteria before putting it back in the system, also note the system needs to be cleaned out if you have root rot.... using products like sm90 will kill off the root rot, using h202 in your system does more harm than good, it kills off the bad bacteria and good thus creating a worse off problem after the h202 has been overran, h202 if used in a hydro/aero system must be replaced everyday due to it dissipating from the air. After it dissipates the plants defensive system has been killed off by the h202 causing the root rot that was not killed by the h202 left and thus overruns the plants root system. So again h202 should never be used in the hydro system, be kept in the system, although it is safe to use to rid of algae growth in rockwool and other mediums, but never be used in with the root zones regularly. Sm90 is a good product you can use to kill off root rot. Hydroguard helps protect and there are many other products that work as well, hydroguard is one of the more popular ones that work.


To prevent Root Rot, adding product's like Thrive Alive B-1, See Weed, Super thrive will help protect your plant's from root rot and will help cure root problems.

Here is what root rot looks like: 4eBig thanks goes out to buzz,

First pic is of to high temps in the bubbler: Last 2 pics came from chemical burn root rot first pic, moldy rock wool with root rot.






 

djfloms

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root rot, or too much heat, nute deficiany, alot of issues could be happeing but those are my top ones.
 

Brick Top

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Could be a potassium (P) deficiency.

See link and scroll down to the 2 pics on potassium deficiency.
LINK: The Complete guide to Sick Plants,pH, and Pest troubles! - International Cannagraphic Magazine Forums

Potassium (K) Mobile Element and Macro Element

Potassium plays a big role as well. Having good amounts of potassium in your plants helps in having sturdy and thick stems, disease-resistance, water respiration, as well aids in photosynthesis. Potassium is also found in the whole plant. It is necessary for all activities having to do with water transportation. Potassium is necessary for all stages of growth, especially important in the development of Buds.

Having to little of Potassium in your plants causes the plants leaves to show retarded growth and show a scorched tip and edges around the leaves. Plants may stretch and your branches can be easily broken or weak. Don’t get this deficiency confused with iron, because it almost acts like iron but to tell the difference in the two is: for potassium the tips of the leaves curl and the edges burn and die. Older leaves may show a red color and leaves could curl upwards. Dead patches (Necrosis) can happen on the margins of larger fan leaves thus, the leaves will eventually die off and turn brown. The Older leaves will show different patches of color (mottle) and turn yellow between the veins, following by whole leaves that turn dark yellow and die. The plants overall growth slows down, mostly when they are in vegetative stage. To little amount of potassium also slows the growth of buds during flowering stages. Dark edges will appear around the edges of the leaf when the deficiency is starting to happen. When your Relative humidity is low, you can almost bet your going to soon get a potassium deficiency from your plants perspiration.
Potassium can get poorly absorbed when having too much Calcium or ammonium nitrogen, and maybe cold weather. Having to much sodium (Na) causes potassium to be displaced. SO keep those in mind… Parts affected by a Potassium Deficiency are: older leaves and leaf margins.


When you have too much Potassium in your soil, it can lead to big troubles, like salt damage and acid fixation of the root system, as well as too much potassium can cause a calcium deficiency. Your fan leaves will show like a light to a dark yellow to whitish color in between the veins. Due to a molecular imbalance, potassium toxicity can cause a reduced uptake and lead to the deficiencies of Mg, and in some cases, Ca. Also leads to the other nutrients to not be absorbed properly leading to lots of other deficiency such as: magnesium, manganese, zinc and iron and can cause problems with calcium as well.



Problems with Potassium being locked out by PH troubles
Soils with excessive Leeching and High ph soils and or water.Soils that are potassium fixated. An excess of kitchen salts (sodium) in the root system/enviroment.


Soil

Potassium gets locked out of soil growing at ph levels of 4.0-5.5
Potassium is absorbed best in soil at a ph level of 6.0-9.5. (Wouldn’t recommend having a ph of over 7.0 in soil) anything out of the ranges listed will contribute to a Potassium deficiency.


Hydro and Soil less Mediums

Potassium gets locked out of Hydro and Soil less Mediums at ph levels of 4.0-4.5, 6.0-6.5.
Potassium is absorbed best in Hydro and Soil less Mediums at ph levels of 4.7-5.3, 6.7-8.5. (Wouldn’t recommend having a ph over 6.5 in hydro and soil less mediums.) Best range for hydro and soil less mediums is 5.0 to 6.0. Anything out of the ranges listed will contribute to a potassium deficiency.



Solution to fixing a Potassium deficiency
Any Chemical/Organic nutrients that have potassium in them will fix a potassium deficiency. Again Peters All Purpose plant food 20-20-20, will cure the potassium deficiency , Miracle grow Tomato plant food, Miracle grow All purpose plant food.( Only mixing at ½ strength when using chemical nutrients, or it will cause nutrient burn!) Some other supplements of potassium are: Wood ashes, which are fast absorption, Kelp Meal, which is medium absorption, Greensand, which is slow absorption, granite dust, which is slow absorption. Sulfate of Potash, Sulfate of Potash Magnesia, Muriate of Potash, which are medium absorption. FOXFARM GROW BIG HYDROPONIC CONCENTRATE, which is fast absorption. (FFGB can bring your ph down as well) Earth Juice Meta-K, which is fast acting. (Can bring down your ph as well) Leaves will never recover, but the plant will show recovery after about 4 to 5 days when using a fast acting nutrient.

Note: Wood Ashes, can make your ph go up a bit, so please monitor your ph when using it.
Now if you added to much chemical nutrients and or organics, (which is hard to burn your plants when using organics) you need to flush the soil with plain water. You need to use 2 times as much water as the size of the pot, for example: If you have a 5 gallon pot and need to flush it, you need to use 10 gallons of water to rinse out the soil good enough to get rid of excessive nutrients.


Picture 1 and 2 shows a Potassium deficiency ( Thank You General Ganja for letting me use Picture 1!)



 
Root Rot
What causes root rot? Low Oxygen levels. (DO) Desolved Oxigen. Temp's are the main reason for root rot, Low temps will lower the DO levels and high temps will cause low DO levels. Keeping temps between 65 to 72 will allow MAX DO levels or max o2 for roots.

Over watering also causes root rot, Root Rot infects parts of the roots, which then spread infecting the whole roots causing death, Root Rot can be caused by to high of temps in hydro as well as over watering. Not enough drainage in your soil can cause Root Rot, even signs of it looking over watered, because the soil holds moisture to long for the roots to dry out. So these 3 things are all connected together. The main one that causes everything is over watering. Once you find out you have root rot, depending on how bad the problem is, you can add H202( Hydrogen Peroxide) with your water or hydro setup to kill the bacteria caused from root rot. If the plant is severely taken over by it, there are only a few things you can do, cut off the roots affected by it depending on if its hair roots or tap roots, use H202 mixed with water in a different bucket and use it for a dip to help kill off bacteria before putting it back in the system, also note the system needs to be cleaned out if you have root rot.... using products like sm90 will kill off the root rot, using h202 in your system does more harm than good, it kills off the bad bacteria and good thus creating a worse off problem after the h202 has been overran, h202 if used in a hydro/aero system must be replaced everyday due to it dissipating from the air. After it dissipates the plants defensive system has been killed off by the h202 causing the root rot that was not killed by the h202 left and thus overruns the plants root system. So again h202 should never be used in the hydro system, be kept in the system, although it is safe to use to rid of algae growth in rockwool and other mediums, but never be used in with the root zones regularly. Sm90 is a good product you can use to kill off root rot. Hydroguard helps protect and there are many other products that work as well, hydroguard is one of the more popular ones that work.


To prevent Root Rot, adding product's like Thrive Alive B-1, See Weed, Super thrive will help protect your plant's from root rot and will help cure root problems.

Here is what root rot looks like: 4eBig thanks goes out to buzz,

First pic is of to high temps in the bubbler: Last 2 pics came from chemical burn root rot first pic, moldy rock wool with root rot.







Dude youre full of shit. How are you going to constantly give advice from copy and pasted sources? H202 or hydrogen peroxide does wonders in a hydro system. oh sorry that its cheap and even agricultural vegetable farmers use it (but a higher concentration not available in pharmacies) but even the 3% strength is great if your roots need a little cleaning

lol all your posts are just copy and paste material

We like to call that Marketing in the business world
 

phyzix

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Dude youre full of shit. How are you going to constantly give advice from copy and pasted sources? H202 or hydrogen peroxide does wonders in a hydro system. oh sorry that its cheap and even agricultural vegetable farmers use it (but a higher concentration not available in pharmacies) but even the 3% strength is great if your roots need a little cleaning

lol all your posts are just copy and paste material

We like to call that Marketing in the business world
H202 kills everything, whether it's harmful or beneficial to the roots.
 

*BUDS

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i have a hydro drip system my leaves are a taco shaped i have had this problem for sometime i have asked about it on here and every one told me to change water and take out all nutes and thats what i did but my leaves are still doing it and some of the plants that were not tacoed have started to do it to does any one have any ideas could this be a root problem my roots are a light brown
it overwatered. root system under stress,ease back onwaterings by 8 hours, and get the nutes back in!!!
 

Brick Top

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Dude youre full of shit. How are you going to constantly give advice from copy and pasted sources? H202 or hydrogen peroxide does wonders in a hydro system. oh sorry that its cheap and even agricultural vegetable farmers use it (but a higher concentration not available in pharmacies) but even the 3% strength is great if your roots need a little cleaning

lol all your posts are just copy and paste material

We like to call that Marketing in the business world
It was the information found using the link in message number 10 from NewGrow60sToker


The point I was trying to make with it was the temperature part, that is why I underlined the parts about temperature, because his pictures do like like they are in some way heat related and when I read it would be high temps in hydro and I had already posted a message about it appearing heat related in some way I thought they somewhat fit together.

I apologize for not trimming out some of the the advice that was found at The Complete guide to Sick Plants,pH, and Pest troubles! - International Cannagraphic Magazine Forums and just mentioned the parts about hydro heat/temperatures possibly being the issue.

Other than saying what I found there is bad advice, what is your advice? If you know what not to do then you must know what to do instead. Will you be sharing your vast amount of knowledge to attempt to help the guy or will you only knock advice others give?


all your posts are just copy and paste material
That is not true. Many are but out of my over 5,000 posts many have been ones written by me. I have a long list of things that I have written in response to questions that are asked almost daily and rather than retype them, as many as four or five time a day, since some are asked that often, I typed them in to word and saved them and copy and paste what I wrote myself to use. It saves a great deal of time but seeing the same thing said repeatedly causes people like you to incorrectly believe that it was found elsewhere and copied and pasted rather than my own writing copied and pasted to save time.

And when there is something from a site that is long with lots of information in it I do not care to spend the time to rewrite it into a three or five line message for those who to them it would be like reading a book and are to lazy to read more than just a few lines and by shortening it the result can be leaving much of it out leaving large gaps of information that then cause more questions to be asked.

We like to call that Marketing in the business world
I was not a marketing major in college but I retired after owning three successful businesses, a new car dealership, a marina and boat sales and a nursery, as in trees and bushes, not as in plants or dirty diaper runny nosed kids, so I do know a bit about marketing and copying and pasting growing information is not marketing.

So, now that you have thoroughly chastised me for providing the information from the site the link was given for from message #10 will you be giving what you believe to be the correct advice, the best advice, or not?
 
No, you are marketing yourself on this forum. As the all powerful, all knowing authority on everything. Is that all it takes? 5,000+ posts and an avatar of an old guy. Wow this guy must be some wise old sage. Experience always outweighs knowledge. I have not seen any experience form your posts.
 

wannaquickee

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No, you are marketing yourself on this forum. As the all powerful, all knowing authority on everything. Is that all it takes? 5,000+ posts and an avatar of an old guy. Wow this guy must be some wise old sage. Experience always outweighs knowledge. I have not seen any experience form your posts.
Who cares if he copy and pastes. Many people dont attempt to even look up their problem they just post waiting for the answer. So if he copies and pastes the problems for people to read it with a click of a button. Then screw it its alll good information. its heatstress btw. hustler why do you have two plants in one pot. Get them away from each other. Some strains till to have folds and wrinkly leaves in younger stages they go away in most cases.
 
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