leaves dying very fast - bud leaves curling?
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elasher
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Ya there are a few things i found like making sure the water is PHd before it goes in the soil. So tomorrow im headed to the local hydro store to get a WATER ph tester and PH up and down. Then im going to get reverse osmoses water from home depot. That sound about right?
elasher
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Also send me some links of those threads if ya could. Thanks!
CSI Stickyicky
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Stop using Tiger Bloom. That stuff curls the leaves on everything i give it to, even if i adjust the PH. Even my resilient outdoor tomatoes, huge plants, didnt like that stuff.
Big Bloom is great, and Grow big is pretty good, for a non-organic, but Tiger Bloom blows monkey balls. I switched my flowering ferts to organic tea made from worm castings and Jamaican Guano, maybe a little kelp. EVERY plant that i give my teas to LOVE the teas! Its hard to burn your plants that way. I usually wait 3-4 days after giving the teas, then i watch explosive growth for about 4 days, then i do plain water for the next watering cycle. You can do teas for every watering cycle if you want. Works WAY better than Tiger Bloom, and no leaf curling.
Big Bloom is great, and Grow big is pretty good, for a non-organic, but Tiger Bloom blows monkey balls. I switched my flowering ferts to organic tea made from worm castings and Jamaican Guano, maybe a little kelp. EVERY plant that i give my teas to LOVE the teas! Its hard to burn your plants that way. I usually wait 3-4 days after giving the teas, then i watch explosive growth for about 4 days, then i do plain water for the next watering cycle. You can do teas for every watering cycle if you want. Works WAY better than Tiger Bloom, and no leaf curling.
elasher
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So just use Big Bloom and Grow Big until 2 weeks before harvest? Well as of now, flushing for over a week and a half, im getting spots on dying leaves. Dont really know what that means but, what if all the fan leaves die before the buds are done growing? Do the buds start to brown? Because so many have fallen off already and i say they have at least 2 more weeks to go, and im running out of fan leaves. Been phing my water to 6.6 for the last week and a half, i dont understand.....
schoolmeplz
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Look I dont know much but my plant is 4 weeks into flowering and leaves look a lot like yours, a couple ppl told me I have the N claw...too MUCH nitrogen....wondering if you got this worked out yet, would like to see what conclusion u come to because I have yet to come to one on mine, of 4 plants only 1 has an issue....good luck and good grow 2ya!
*BUDS
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bro you clearly have ph issues.Its too high at 6.8 and I think its even higher. Get a good meter worth about $60+. get the ph to 6 and after a week they will be pumpin. If u do nothing they will die because a high ph stops the uptake of vital nutes, especially at this stage.
*BUDS
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that certainly is your prob.
elasher
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well over a week and a half into flush, 7 weeks into flower and its still getting bad. What happens when all the fan leafs fall off? Because on a few its getting pretty close and one of them has bad spots all over the leafs and the main colas are turning bright bright yellow. Ill try to get some more pics but my camera is broke atm. I just dont understand what im doing wrong. Light too close to the plants? Getting to warm and humid in the grow room? Because its winter i cant vent it outside so it gets about 85 degrees damn near in there now. Maybe this is my prob?
schoolmeplz
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i had heat issues when i hit 85, this could be poss...mine were apparently use to cooler temps ..below 80...so at 87 they were stressing bad....just my opinion/exp...this seems to be when the n claw came into effect...
schoolmeplz
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i have a 400w hps/mh and its about 18 inches from the tops of the newer plants and the reflector is even with my colas of the 4 perimeter plants, i have side lighting cfls on them...those are almost touching the leaves, if i get to close with the hps the leaves get crisp and even burnt when water from misting hadnt dried...
schoolmeplz
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also at icmag.com in the sick plant section is a great picture article for self diagnosing cannabis issues...
xanadulives
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Hey man, just read your whole thread. Almost wish I coulda helped ya a couple weeks ago to put all that knowledge into one post.
Everything builds up in dirt. Especially if your ph is high, 8 is definitely high, and your plants aren't eating the nutes. They've been getting locked for a long time right.
You have to flush. You've been flushing with only water which is good, but an agent is better. I use gh products as I grow hydro so I used Flora Kleen for the first time ever just a few days ago. I've always flushed, but only with water. The kleen is the bomb. It also says it's fine for soil. The directions on that say to water the plant with the flushing agent solution until there is run off happening out of your pots. Then to water with regular nutes the next watering. And I'd say to definitely eliminate that Tiger Bloom. Just did a little googling and seems like a shit ton of people are bitching about it.
As far as your heat issue. It is one. You shouldn't need to be that hot at all when you're flowering unless you're growing outside in the tropics or something. And think about where your thermo is. Is it near the top of the room where the buds are?
If you can get a fan blowing right at the light it helps immensely. Especially on a 1000 watt bulb.
If you take care of the heat issue, flush with some kind of flushing product and do some foliar love(not under lighting), with a ph balanced, light nute solution you are giving them a better chance. Right now they are stressed all over the map. No food due to shitty water, shitty water, and now too hot. Hopefully they will love you back after you love them.
So watering short form.
Test your water ph before nutes.
Adjust it. 5.5-6.5 is close, anything else, fix it.
Add your nutes.
Test ph again just to make sure. Your nutes shouldn't fuck with it too much, but you'll figure that out.
Then, feed man.
Happy Growing and good luck!!
Everything builds up in dirt. Especially if your ph is high, 8 is definitely high, and your plants aren't eating the nutes. They've been getting locked for a long time right.
You have to flush. You've been flushing with only water which is good, but an agent is better. I use gh products as I grow hydro so I used Flora Kleen for the first time ever just a few days ago. I've always flushed, but only with water. The kleen is the bomb. It also says it's fine for soil. The directions on that say to water the plant with the flushing agent solution until there is run off happening out of your pots. Then to water with regular nutes the next watering. And I'd say to definitely eliminate that Tiger Bloom. Just did a little googling and seems like a shit ton of people are bitching about it.
As far as your heat issue. It is one. You shouldn't need to be that hot at all when you're flowering unless you're growing outside in the tropics or something. And think about where your thermo is. Is it near the top of the room where the buds are?
If you can get a fan blowing right at the light it helps immensely. Especially on a 1000 watt bulb.
If you take care of the heat issue, flush with some kind of flushing product and do some foliar love(not under lighting), with a ph balanced, light nute solution you are giving them a better chance. Right now they are stressed all over the map. No food due to shitty water, shitty water, and now too hot. Hopefully they will love you back after you love them.
So watering short form.
Test your water ph before nutes.
Adjust it. 5.5-6.5 is close, anything else, fix it.
Add your nutes.
Test ph again just to make sure. Your nutes shouldn't fuck with it too much, but you'll figure that out.
Then, feed man.
Happy Growing and good luck!!
elasher
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Alright so i cracked a window now, not sure if its going to be stable but, i have been flushing with 6.5 water for the past week and a half. And ya i completely stopped using tiger bloom. The PH Down is meant for adjusting water too right? I have a digital PH meter now so, if i eliminate Tiger bloom, all i have left is big bloom and grow big. Should i just use the big bloom until 2 weeks from flower? I think i only have a few weeks left, but i want them to make it!! Out of money aswell, i got $1,155 into this so far. So whats the perfact PH level? I can achieve it so throw it at me! Also, i do have a 435 cfm exhaust fan on the light at full blast all day, and a box fan on it aswell. So being that i have been flushing for almost 2 weeks, and, harvest could possibly be in 2 weeks, should i feed a little more? Or just foilar feed once or twice and flush until harvest? Its getting close, The hairs have been turning red the past week (week 7 flower) and are starting to swell and curl back in. I do have a 30x micro but havent yet checked. By the looks of it, ill check it in 2 weeks (if they live) but as of right now, 2 of the plants fan leaves are almost all gone. What happens next, does the plant attack the buds next? Im gonna have an f'ing anxiety attack lol.
xanadulives
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Well if you're plant is still dying and not recuperating then I'm guessing the whole plant will just die too. Might as well crop it before than I'd say lol.
The ph down is for the water man. As far as I know you shouldn't just add the ph down to soil? Adjust the water and the soil with match it.
I just had a thought that if your plants are responding good and you want to kind of still feed a bit, then just start to lower your nute amount as you get closer to harvest. Save a week for flush for sure though I'd say.
You got the window open that's good lol. Even if you have it open just during lights on, if possible obviously I don't know your sitch, it will help.
Good luck!
The ph down is for the water man. As far as I know you shouldn't just add the ph down to soil? Adjust the water and the soil with match it.
I just had a thought that if your plants are responding good and you want to kind of still feed a bit, then just start to lower your nute amount as you get closer to harvest. Save a week for flush for sure though I'd say.
You got the window open that's good lol. Even if you have it open just during lights on, if possible obviously I don't know your sitch, it will help.
Good luck!
elasher
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haha no i meant just with water alone, because on the bottle it says "for nutrient solution" but ive been using it to drop the PH in my well water. I mean theres crystals and red hairs, so if i did crop early, could they still pass as nugget if cured correctly? Buds are pretty dang big i would say theres 5+ oz cut and dried on 2 of them. And also, i got this concrete walled well room that gets really cold, and its right next to the grow room. So i cut a hole in the wall and put a 175 cfm fan to such that cold air out of the well room and into the grow room. So far its much much cooler and alot less humid in there. But as far as co2, maybe they arent getting enough? Since i havent been opening the window? Thanks for all the help!!!