Have you seen that video of a head transplant on a monkey?

[chewy*barber]

I forgive you all

Thanks, and I want some of that God bud you smoking.

 

[natmoon]

If i could share it i would
I am just another flaky pot head but i can still say that i forgive you in the hope it may make some difference

 

[crazy-mental]

what was the point of doing the exp.?.
the monkey was fucked either way.
it could only move its eyes.
i thought it was awful, what if it was your own pet.
lesser being or not, it was still ,a waste of time, id say.
wonder what breakthrough cam from that.
other than 2 dead monkeys.

 

[crazy-mental]

look the monkey is a doctor now, he has a new head.lol

 

[closet.cult]

the needless death of any animal is a shame, to be sure. just as the needless death of any human is a shame. but what if it isn't needless? what if knowledge is gained?

can anyone justify being outrages at decapitating 2 monkeys for gain of medical advances and yet sit complacent over the starvation, mutilation, rape and murder of our own fellow humans around the world at the hands of TRULY sick, perverted and EVIL men who happen to be in positions of power in their respective governments?!

FUCK ALL THE LAZY, HYPOCRITICAL BASTARDS WHO SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING TO THE PALASTINIANS IN LEBANON AND THE AFRICANS IN DARFUR AND THE IRAQIS AND THEN YELL ABOUT DECAPITATING AND MURDERING THE DOCTOR WHO IS ATTEMPTING TO GAIN KNOWLEDGE WHICH MIGHT SAVE YOUR LIFE ONE DAY!!!! FUCK ALL OF YOU!!! WAKE UP TO THE HORROR OF THE WORLD WE LIVE IN AND QUIT BLASTING PEOPLE WITH YOUR IGNORANCE AND CALLING IT COMPASSION, YOU HYPOCRITES!!!!!!!

there are atrocities to humans going on, even at the hands of this atrocious administration, and I see EVERYWHERE on the net people blasting this doctor for pioneering a life saving operation. fucking hypocrites

 

[natmoon]

I don't condone cruelty to any animal,including you,or people that live in deprived countries.
When was it that we forget that we were animals and started to pretend we were gods?

 

[closet.cult]

I don't condone cruelty to any animal,including you,or people that live in deprived countries.
When was it that we forget that we were animals and started to pretend we were gods?

i am not asking you to condone cruelty, as i do not.

i am asking you to put it in context.

shall we lose 2 monkeys, to save many humans? it is the same answer as: shall we lose 2 humans, to say many?

 

[natmoon]

i am not asking you to condone cruelty, as i do not.

i am asking you to put it in context.

Ok.
Taking advantage of a lesser being for your own/others or any kind of gain that causes pain and suffering to the lifeform in question.
Kill it,eat it or leave it alone

 

[closet.cult]

Ok.
Taking advantage of a lesser being for your own/others or any kind of gain that causes pain and suffering to the lifeform in question.
Kill it,eat it or leave it alone

with this simplistic reasoning, you will live without your conscience harmed, possibly even without it tested. in that, you are lucky.

but those in positions of great responsiblity and oversight do not have that luxury. someone out there really does have to decide: give up a few, to save many. you simply refuse to accept that reality.

and please, admit to yourself, the only one important, that the point of the operation was not to cause suffering, pain or to torture the animal: it didn't even look as if it were in pain. so that argument is invalid, for this case.

 

[natmoon]

I believe in cause and effect.
Even if your intention is good you get out what you put in.
If you gain a cure from another's suffering you will have done nothing except created another form of suffering in the long run.
You cant do evil to do good and if anyone tells you that you can then they are misguided.
This is my opinion and nothing that you or anyone else says will ever change that

I understand how angry you are though at me for saying that i forgive you when you feel that you have done nothing wrong.
My purpose is not to spread guilt but just to open your eyes to the possibility that harming any lifeforms for our own gain apart from the need to eat might actually be pretty bad.

This is in my opinion abhorrent because we are systematically torturing so many creatures for our own gain.
Do you really think that it was just 2 monkeys that were harmed?
Try nearer to 2 million a year worldwide

Brian Eno - And Then So Clear

 

[closet.cult]

I believe in cause and effect.
Even if your intention is good you get out what you put in.
If you gain a cure from another's suffering you will have done nothing except created another form of suffering in the long run.
You cant do evil to do good and if anyone tells you that you can then they are misguided.
This is my opinion and nothing that you or anyone else says will ever change that

I understand how angry you are though at me for saying that i forgive you when you feel that you have done nothing wrong.
My purpose is not to spread guilt but just to open your eyes to the possibility that harming any lifeforms for our own gain apart from the need to eat might actually be pretty bad.

This is in my opinion abhorrent because we are systematically torturing so many creatures for our own gain.
Do you really think that it was just 2 monkeys that were harmed?
Try nearer to 2 million a year worldwide

actually, you dont understand anything i've said. i could care less about you forgiving me. who the hell are you? and anyway, how have i harmed you, to require your forgivness? your mistake is damning other men (your equals) by your own OPINION. that is why your argument is without merit.

no monkey was treated inhumane. they were subjected to the same anestestics and medical care as any human would have been for this operation. there was no suffering. there appears to be no pain. there was no torture. your argument is appropriate only if this were a video of some kid on youtube cutting a monkeys head off. this is medical science, of which you and your loved ones will benifit from.

to decry this proceedure without hypocracy, you must disavow yourself from any lifesaving surgery in the future. though i doubt you will. you may now be experiencing a bit of conscience raising. with humane treatment, a human life is worth more then a monkeys.

of course, this is only my opinion. and it is supported by any who value their life and that of their family. but i will not devalue your opinion by mocking it. though i trust you will reconsider one day, when the value of modern medical advances becomes personal to you.

 

[natmoon]

I think you'll find that Jesus taught us how to heal with cannabis a long time ago,its just that no one listened and then when they did finally listen they made it illegal and killed anyone that used it or talked about it and removed it from the bible.

I respect your opinion but your angry ranting falls on my deaf ears

 

[closet.cult]

deaf ears...that's typical of christians. i knew there was a reason "reasoning" was not working with you.

 

[natmoon]

deaf ears...that's typical of christians. i knew there was a reason "reasoning" was not working with you.

I don't go to church and i only believe in the lost texts that Jesus wrote himself.

 

[LiveAndLetLlive]

i am not asking you to condone cruelty, as i do not.

i am asking you to put it in context.

shall we lose 2 monkeys, to save many humans? it is the same answer as: shall we lose 2 humans, to say many?

well what good did this do? what did it prove? honestly! they know that they cant connect the spinal cord with the central nervous system..... the only reason i could see logical implemation of this method would be to keep some super brain alive, like Albert Instine. but he would be paralized no matter what body he was put in.

hey i wonder if he could live forever?????? any opinions? he might just be able to talk and read and shit but still, is that the "holy grail"? ?

hey im all for science and discoveries. that stuff is all great, but i am human and i do feel bad for them poor innocent monkeys. if you didnt have have a little bit of remorse for these animals then your probally cold hearted and had a bad childhood. maybe im just a pussy lol.

but yes you are right, if you put it into perspective, two dead monkeys is nothing compared to all the other atrosities going on in this fucked up world. just think about how many people have died because of greed, religion, politics, and jelousy.

but for those who feel bad for the monkeys, i feel ya. God bless everyone.

 

[bozley2g]

yeah to be honest with you, after watching the video the guy's fucked up.

and so are the people working with him. it's absolutely pointless. he killed 1 and a half monkeys so he could say he transplanted a head. I'm all for testing on animals before humans for medicine, when it comes right down to it. but that's just stupid. and looking at that poor monkey, I empathize with it, confused looking around at a bunch of guys in green and bright lights and he can't control his body. and he's not smart enough to understand whats going on. you could see his eyes were so sad.

I'm coming off like a pussy huh?[/quote

Naw dude I feel the same way you do bout it.....He did look pretty fuckin sad.I don't think I would like to go to sleep and then wake up not being able to move my body. That would be pretty fucked and a waste of two monkeys

 

[bozley2g]

I will let you all in on a secret.
They have never needed to test anything on animals.
They know that they can test 99% of their drugs on vegetables and plants.
They dont do this because they can take 2 rabbits for 1.99 each and make 2000 rabbits over a year or 2.
They cant do this so easily with plants.
Once again creatures are tortured for money.
Having an ounce of compassion for another living creature doesn't make you a faggot.

Stem cell injections are all you need to heal your bodies.
Your govt will not give them to you.
They are incredibly expensive.
There is also the fact that stem cells increase longevity so thats another reason they wont ever make them freely available as common people would live for to long creating a population problem.

Stem cells are the real reason that our govts ever made abortion legal.
Anyway i believe in the circle of life.
If you kill and do not eat you will be punished by karma.
Having a couple of nobs on the internet laugh at me wont change my views that all life is sacred and that nothing should be tortured

another good point

 

[bozley2g]

it's pointless cause one monkeys body and head were just tossed and they knew they couldn't reattach the spinal cord. And I bet that monkey had to feel somekind of pain he was bleedin out his nose....I've had a couple sugerys and it hurts when i wake up......and you would need like a fresh body right when you have to get the transplant, that would be fucked...and I think people know whats going on in the world they are just sayin they feel bad for the monkeys man!

 

[natmoon]

Doesn't take a brain surgeon to work out that it hurts to have your head cut of
Lets forget about physical pain anyway and move onto the mental anguish and the purely disgusting nature of the person doing this who pretends to be a human being yet doesn't even know what "human being" actually even means

 

[bozley2g]

pretty sick