Americans Are Delusional!

[tardis]

OK, I'm sorry but since this economy has gone down hill i've seen people act absolutly deulsional and try to get others to somehow agree with how they've deluded themselves. Everybody seems to think they have something that investors will love (even tho there is NOTHING there!), or ideas to get rich (Even though they don't know the first thing about doing anything to succeed at all!)

This economy got everybody STUPID. I have friends who have been hunting for investors for "technology" idea for years, and there is NO PROTOTYPE!

People seem to believe history happend differently than it did to fit their arguments, one guy last night kept proclaiming (despite all the proof i provided with actual numbers) that Clinton actually paid off our national Debt and we had a surplus (I remember my economics teacher laughing about it when clinton made those claims andpointing out how he was fibbing the truth by just not spending all of the money he had taken the new big loan out for and claiming the not spent bottom was a surplus!)

Basically people are all failing hardcore and somehow trying to get others to agree with them about their delusions and it just drives me batty. I'm not going to tell you anything other than the truth, you are full of shit! There is a reason why I succeed and you don't, i'm slow and careful and i dont risk money or time unless I already know the outcome. any varaibles in the way, then its a BAD IDEA.

Seriously, fix the variables to make them fixed in your plan, or else just shut your fucking mouth and stay broke and like it.

 

[andar]

your economics teacher is an idiot. if you have money and dont spend it all on your budget, that means you have a surplus. clinton did not pay off our national debt (which is different from his budget surplus) but he did start paying off a nice sized chunk of it.

Whatever you think clinton did or didnt do was made irrellavant when bush gave his tax break and proceeded to spend trillions of dollars on wars. Bush fucked us , get over it. go back and whine about clinton all you want.

no matter how the economy is people always have stupid ideas on how to get rich. and prototypes are expensive. people need investors for research money to research and build them.

"Basically people are all failing hardcore and somehow trying to get others to agree with them about their delusions and it just drives me batty" - your quote is hilarious because you are failing and you are the one trying to get others to agree with your delusions.

 

[Unnk]

lol correction the FED fucked us in the ass with a big ol dildo

 

[cadeneli]

I think one of the biggest problems young americans have these days are shitty attitudes.

 

[Unnk]

Shitty attitudes? Their trained to have shitty "attitudes" in schools to be honest. Schools are nothing more than indoctrination facilities. The biggest problem is the rise of narcissism. General common welfare no longer exists. IF you were being beaten on the streets. Do not expect any high school kids or for that fact anyone one to help in a big city just not gonna happen. So many people are uneducated right now and have no idea what the hell is even going on in government. Law schools do not teach the constitution. Anyone remember the old saying know your past or your doomed to repeat it....

 

[nog]

we are all fucked by the man, there is fuck all we can do about it, they make the rules and change them whenever they want, the banks in cahoots with the governments have us by the bollocks, and there is fuck all we can do about it, they are allowed to lie and they get away with it, under english law if a company makes losses for three consecutive years it is classed as insolvent and must cease trading lets see if this applies to banks, it wont because they will change the rules to suit them, the world is shit, but its the only one we have so bite the bullet and just get on with your lives. they dont like MJ because it is impossible for them to tax retailers, thats why i am against legalisation.

 

[cadeneli]

Shitty attitudes? Their trained to have shitty "attitudes" in schools to be honest. Schools are nothing more than indoctrination facilities. The biggest problem is the rise of narcissism. General common welfare no longer exists. IF you were being beaten on the streets. Do not expect any high school kids or for that fact anyone one to help in a big city just not gonna happen. So many people are uneducated right now and have no idea what the hell is even going on in government. Law schools do not teach the constitution. Anyone remember the old saying know your past or your doomed to repeat it....

I agree with you

 

[DSB65]

Yes the good ole u.s of a is all fucked up .....

 

[Saltrock]

I love how people think the economy should have been fixed in barely 2 years. People want things and they want them now and they can't wait, and unfortunately thats not how things work. I think people have short term memories when it comes to a lot of shit. Just seems as time passes on people forget shit. I think this "I got to have it now put in on a credit card its all about me generation" is going to have a rude awakening. Everyone wants there country to do for them, and they don't want to do nothing for there country.

Peace
SALT

 

[Unnk]

lol if you really wanna know the extensive bull shit were in now watch Money as Debt

[video=google;-2550156453790090544]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2550156453790090544#[/video]

 

[cadeneli]

Its been fucked up before. This isn't the first time around. We've always found a way out of the hole. That's what makes us Americans. I've traveled around the globe and this is still the best country in the world.

 

[elduece]

OK, I'm sorry but since this economy has gone down hill i've seen people act absolutly deulsional and try to get others to somehow agree with how they've deluded themselves. Everybody seems to think they have something that investors will love (even tho there is NOTHING there!), or ideas to get rich (Even though they don't know the first thing about doing anything to succeed at all!)

This economy got everybody STUPID. I have friends who have been hunting for investors for "technology" idea for years, and there is NO PROTOTYPE!

People seem to believe history happend differently than it did to fit their arguments, one guy last night kept proclaiming (despite all the proof i provided with actual numbers) that Clinton actually paid off our national Debt and we had a surplus (I remember my economics teacher laughing about it when clinton made those claims andpointing out how he was fibbing the truth by just not spending all of the money he had taken the new big loan out for and claiming the not spent bottom was a surplus!)

Basically people are all failing hardcore and somehow trying to get others to agree with them about their delusions and it just drives me batty. I'm not going to tell you anything other than the truth, you are full of shit! There is a reason why I succeed and you don't, i'm slow and careful and i dont risk money or time unless I already know the outcome. any varaibles in the way, then its a BAD IDEA.

Seriously, fix the variables to make them fixed in your plan, or else just shut your fucking mouth and stay broke and like it.

Pack up all your shit and go live in Shanghai.

 

[SCARHOLE]

They all hate america first, an ask questions later, as they were taught to in schools ran by socalists.
Did Mao or stallin write the text books cause somehow were the bad buys in recent world history.
Its sad.

 

[medicineman]

They all hate america first, an ask questions later, as they were taught to in schools ran by socalists.
Did Mao or stallin write the text books cause somehow were the bad buys in recent world history.
Its sad.

Actually, if you stop with the Jingoism and take an objective view, we are pretty much the assholes of the world. Capitalism has run amok, the rich are so fucking rich we can't touch them, even if we had the willpower. We are stirring shit all over the globe, have publicly invaded two countries without merit, lord only knows how many we've fucked over in the last 200 years. It doesn't take Mao or Stallin to point this out, I am far from being a communist, at least as viewed in the current constraint. I am a realist. The USA, a oligarchic plutochracy, is all about the Benjamins, nothing more, nothing less. That Bullshit about spreading freedom, just that, bullshit. They're all about spreading capitalism for the capitalists, yeah those with capital, that's right, they could care less about freedom. Don't believe me? Well then look around and see what has been happening to our freedoms right here at home, slip sliding away about as fast as you can say "jack Robinson Jones".
It all starts with the salute to the flag, then carries on with the revisionist version Of history. Instead of teaching children to get along and help each other they force competition down the youngsters throats, sports, especially football teaches children to be the bullies that are required to run a Capitalist society, don't help anyone, just beat the hell out of them, he whom dies with the most toys wins. I'm better than you because I got an A, made more points in Basketball/baseball, or scored the game winning touchdown. It then transitions into the workforce where if you listen closely, you may hear football jargon on successes, "he really scored big on that one" etc.
Is there a solution to the animosity of mankind, I'm sure there is, but barring Divine intervention, I clearly cannot see one in the near or distant future. It is the football mentality that has fried young minds for many years in this USA. I was indoctrinated as a youth, but being as I moved around a lot, it really never took that deep of root in me, thank God. I'm pretty sure I can see the big picture a little clearer than most, But I also know there is not one thing I can do to change it, dang-it.

 

[jeff f]

Actually, if you stop with the Jingoism and take an objective view, we are pretty much the assholes of the world. Capitalism has run amok, the rich are so fucking rich we can't touch them, even if we had the willpower. We are stirring shit all over the globe, have publicly invaded two countries without merit, lord only knows how many we've fucked over in the last 200 years. It doesn't take Mao or Stallin to point this out, I am far from being a communist, at least as viewed in the current constraint. I am a realist. The USA, a oligarchic plutochracy, is all about the Benjamins, nothing more, nothing less. That Bullshit about spreading freedom, just that, bullshit. They're all about spreading capitalism for the capitalists, yeah those with capital, that's right, they could care less about freedom. Don't believe me? Well then look around and see what has been happening to our freedoms right here at home, slip sliding away about as fast as you can say "jack Robinson Jones".

you arent very smart are you? america has more millionairs per capita than any other country and it isnt even a close second.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millionaire#Number_of_millionaires_by_country

that means that more people can reach that goal if they want to. not everyone is able, but many are. and they dont get there by trampling on others. they provide a service, while providing jobs in most instances, etc. they should be praised and looked up to. most of them will gladly show you how they did it and many will help you achieve it if you ask and show some motivation.

but to liberals in this country, they are the enemy, yet the liberal hypocritacally wants to be a millionaire. its a twisted logic

 

[medicineman]

you arent very smart are you? america has more millionairs per capita than any other country and it isnt even a close second.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millionaire#Number_of_millionaires_by_country

that means that more people can reach that goal if they want to. not everyone is able, but many are. and they dont get there by trampling on others. they provide a service, while providing jobs in most instances, etc. they should be praised and looked up to. most of them will gladly show you how they did it and many will help you achieve it if you ask and show some motivation.

but to liberals in this country, they are the enemy, yet the liberal hypocritacally wants to be a millionaire. its a twisted logic

I'm smart enough. I see you missed the whole point of my arguement, I wonder who isn't too smart. What you are missing is that there is only so much money, the rich are amassing it at a very accelerated rate, depriving the underclass of any opportunity and making it harder with each passing day. I don't know where you come up with that pure bullshit about the rich guy taking just anyone aside and telling them how to get ahead. oh that's right, you are from that school of though that says just work harder, work longer, don't ask for a raise and eat a huge bowl of shit every morning before you set off to work, to prepare you for all the shit you must eat at work. Look only a select few will ever rise out of the working class, and most of them have special conditions, relatives, Ivy league school credentials, only bestowed on a very select elites. Hardly anyone comes out of local state colleges and reaches richdom, extremely few ever become wealthy. If you aren't born to the elite class, talented as in sports or music or the theater. The best you can hope for is some middle management position, or the owner of a small business. There will be the odd inventer, the enterpruener, the novilist, but they are few and far between. Go sell your bullshize to someone dumber than I, thank you.

 

[jeff f]

I'm smart enough. I see you missed the whole point of my arguement, I wonder who isn't too smart. What you are missing is that there is only so much money, the rich are amassing it at a very accelerated rate, depriving the underclass of any opportunity and making it harder with each passing day. I don't know where you come up with that pure bullshit about the rich guy taking just anyone aside and telling them how to get ahead. oh that's right, you are from that school of though that says just work harder, work longer, don't ask for a raise and eat a huge bowl of shit every morning before you set off to work, to prepare you for all the shit you must eat at work. Look only a select few will ever rise out of the working class, and most of them have special conditions, relatives, Ivy league school credentials, only bestowed on a very select elites. Hardly anyone comes out of local state colleges and reaches richdom, extremely few ever become wealthy. If you aren't born to the elite class, talented as in sports or music or the theater. The best you can hope for is some middle management position, or the owner of a small business. There will be the odd inventer, the enterpruener, the novilist, but they are few and far between. Go sell your bullshize to someone dumber than I, thank you.[/B][/COLOR]

your 3rd sentence is where you lost the whole argument. there isnt 'just so much money'. if you add value, you add money. for instance if you live in a small isolated town and everyone works in the town. if you were all the sudden discover oil in the middle of town square, you just increased the towns value. so people are willing to trade things for it, usually money, but not necessarily. its the value that the money symbolizes. economy isnt a zero sum game and thats where the liberal economist lose it. they believe if somebody has money(value) they must have took it from somebody else. thats not how economies function. its all based on value.

 

[jeff f]

your 3rd sentence is where you lost the whole argument. there isnt 'just so much money'. if you add value, you add money. for instance if you live in a small isolated town and everyone works in the town. if you were all the sudden discover oil in the middle of town square, you just increased the towns value. so people are willing to trade things for it, usually money, but not necessarily. its the value that the money symbolizes. economy isnt a zero sum game and thats where the liberal economist lose it. they believe if somebody has money(value) they must have took it from somebody else. thats not how economies function. its all based on value.

let me say further that the way out of this depression is to turn the american enteprenuars loose. lets start drilling oil, everywhere. lets start mining coal everywhere. start selling it to the world for money. lets start building nuclear energy so we can afford to turn as many lights on as we want.

but nooooo, this stupid fuck in the whitehouse wants to shut those activities down. where does he think good paying jobs come from?

 

[RawBudzski]

DELUSIONAL MAYBE!!! BUT AT LEAST WE HAVE HBO..!. and uh, BILL MAHAR .. and UHH.. WE CAN ORDER PIZZA.. and uh.. .our clothes are clean. :O PFFT BEAT THAT YOU AT PEACE CENTER-MINDED NIRVANA REACHED MONKS IN INDIA ! we are so screwed.. .

 

[Grumpy Old Dreamer]

As Frank Sabotka said once ... we (America) used to make stuff ... these days we just have our hand in the other guys pocket.

Without a manufacturing base, or endless resources to sell, America's decline will continue.

Money always flows towards those that actually make stuff.