stem strength
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sourdieseltech
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I HAVE NO IDEA! ive looked for help numerous time and have have mixed answers, idk the truth.
GOod luck happy growing.
sourdieseltech
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come on.. nothhing else??
ive worked so hard
ive worked so hard
sourdieseltech
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well i was, at first. then before i know it i woke up one morning and 2/3 were limp and falling over.. i read the bag of soil and it is some cheap seedling starter, and its pretty much just dirt. so i have been doing a 1/4 dose of grow big and a 1/4 dose of superthrive in my water every other watering. my water is drinking water that is just out of the bottle with nutes mixed in. i am being cheap ab the ph kit, im not too worried about that. i know everyone is OMG about ph, but i am not buying it. tap water is fine, but i prefer drinking water because of the minerals. they have really perked up since ive started the nutes, they were growing so slow before.
sourdieseltech
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i also have my water in a tub with a bubbler in it to keep it oxygenated. i seem to be only watering every other day, i figure too little is way better than too much, thats how i screwed my last shot
ok I have to say this.... don't try and reinvent the wheel or be careless. We are on RIU and asking for help from people that have what we don't have, EXPERIENCE. I'm not a scientist or advanced horticulturist but I do know that if we duplicate what is successful for those that do know what they're doing then our chances for success grow exponentially. Bite the bullet and get a ph test kit, follow advise carefully and you could pull off a grow that exceeds your wildest expectations. That's what I'm hoping for.
sourdieseltech
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you are right.. but i have met atleast 10 growers with sufficient evidence that they know what they are talking about and have told me that the PH thing is not a huge thing, as long as you not severely alkaline. my water is at about 6.9. i tested it after my nutes were in there and thats what i got. i have some test strips, but im not buying the up and down stuff. plus my dad grew pot back in his day and said he never had a problem with straight tap water.. i read on numerous tomato grow sites that salts dont start building up untill your water and or soil reaches about 8.0.
I do understand where you come from, why not just get it right?? but thats 30 bucks going toward my new grow tent vs a product im only going to use half of.
I do understand where you come from, why not just get it right?? but thats 30 bucks going toward my new grow tent vs a product im only going to use half of.
jawbrodt
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Don't worry. You have your light close enough that upward grow should slow way down, and they will start growing outwards. Just be sure to transplant before they start stretching. They'll stretch, once the roots have filled their pot. A transplant will ensure that you nave nice bushy plants.
sourdieseltech
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whats a good hieght or timeframe on that?? just when i want to or what?
jawbrodt
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Here is a good rule of thumb, if you want to ensure fast, healthy growth.....don't let your plants get bigger than their pots. For example, if your pot is 6" x 6", don't let your plants get much larger than 6" x 6". Yes, there's some leeway there, but try not to let 'em get much more than 25% the pots volume, which in the case, the plant would occupy 8" x 8" of space. They start getting restricted, at that point, and will start stretching upwards, rather than outwards. Ever notice that you never see a 12" wide,(untrained) bushy plant, in a 6" pot? That's because the foliage won't extend much further than the outer edges of the rootmass. When you start getting to the bigger pots, it's not so much of an issue, but still applies. What's going on underground, determines what's going on above ground, directly. IMO, it's never too early to transplant, unless you haven't got the watering/drainage down to a science, yet. The only risk, is the soil staying too wet, for too long(overwatering). Other than that, it's always a good idea to go big, when possible.
sourdieseltech
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Here is a good rule of thumb, if you want to ensure fast, healthy growth.....don't let your plants get bigger than their pots. For example, if your pot is 6" x 6", don't let your plants get much larger than 6" x 6". Yes, there's some leeway there, but try not to let 'em get much more than 25% the pots volume, which in the case, the plant would occupy 8" x 8" of space. They start getting restricted, at that point, and will start stretching upwards, rather than outwards. Ever notice that you never see a 12" wide,(untrained) bushy plant, in a 6" pot? That's because the foliage won't extend much further than the outer edges of the rootmass. When you start getting to the bigger pots, it's not so much of an issue, but still applies. What's going on underground, determines what's going on above ground, directly. IMO, it's never too early to transplant, unless you haven't got the watering/drainage down to a science, yet. The only risk, is the soil staying too wet, for too long(overwatering). Other than that, it's always a good idea to go big, when possible.
Thanks! jaw. I think i will atleast wait one more week before i up can them. do you recommend going into 1 gal them 3.5 gal?? or straight into the 3.5??
newworldicon
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You mentioned knowing growers who said PH aint all that important? Well it is very important! In soil it is easier to correct PH imbalance, it acts like a buffer whereas in hydro the exposure is immediate and full on. I'd look into that if I was you. As for your plants, they are fine, you are stressing out for nothing. I personally have 12 church seedlings currently that sprung up and stretched 4 inches before growing laterally in the last 8 days.
sourdieseltech
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ok so heres the thing, i have a cheap ph meter that i got from lowes, it shows light ph and moisture, i mostly just use the moisture meter to help me water the plants.. i do not believe the PH meter on it though. if it is correct my ph is like 7.9 but i just dont believe that.
so u recommend i get the expensive ph meter correct?
just tell me that my 50 bucks will be justified.
as of now i put grow tent and ventillation on top of that because of my 400 watt i got waiting.
jawbrodt
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No problem, glad to assist.
I went straight to 4 gallon pots, in my "MG soil vs. FF soil" thread, here in the Newbie Section. I'm quite happy with the results. Check it out, and see what you think. I think they look pretty nice, for 4 weeks old.
newworldicon
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You should never skimp on measuring equipment, least of all a PH or EC meter. So yes the 50 bucks is well spent. I don't grow in soil so ask someone else what your PH should ideally be but 7.9 is HIGH my man!!
The meter you have now is probs a soil tester, get a more suited meter thats does PH and EC/PPM's.
bunnyface
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Hey, I dont know if your stems hav thickened or not, but I find that letting the fan make them swing, or move slighty, may result in shorter plants but the stems automatically thicken up. The stems are so thick I dont have to stake.
This may just be my luck, but is more likey to be the way nature works. As long as the swing is back and forth , not to much of course, the stems naturally thicken.
O and Im a soil grow and your ph should be between 5.9 to 6.7, so 6-7 really, however it can still grow in a lower number, down to 5.5 with out stunning to badly. Still they wont grow fast in 5.5,, Aim for 6, thats the advice....
Hope that helps,,
Take it easy..
This may just be my luck, but is more likey to be the way nature works. As long as the swing is back and forth , not to much of course, the stems naturally thicken.
O and Im a soil grow and your ph should be between 5.9 to 6.7, so 6-7 really, however it can still grow in a lower number, down to 5.5 with out stunning to badly. Still they wont grow fast in 5.5,, Aim for 6, thats the advice....
Hope that helps,,
Take it easy..
MEGAyielder420
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Sup sourdtech. I have to agree with jaw and new world. When I was a kid and started experimenting with cannabis I saw that I was able to grow just fine with your old regular tap water never measured any ph or ppm or ec just gave em water and food and let them do there thang. When I realy noticed that PH was SO important was when I started fuckin with the PH. BIG DIFFERENCE all around. I know this is your first grow so you realy won't know the difference but why do u try growing one with adjusted PH water and one with ur regular drinking water and get back to us let us know if we were rite.
Check our my thread. Watch my babies grow look at my monsters look at my babies see how green my cannopy is that is adjusted PH for ya. I keep mine at 6.1 but habe noticed some plants like it higher and some like it lower. You have to learn your plant in order to produce maximum yields an overall quality my friend. Buy ur self a digital PH definately worth it!
Also why are u feeding every other day seedlings should not be drying up that quick. I think ur overwatering IMO.
And stop badtripping about the week flimsy seedling that's normal and will fluctuate with different strains. My current sour diesel seedling were just like that and look at them now. I have mine in5 and 7 gallon pots. Transplant them and put them as deep as you can always leaving a few inches from the bottom or your plant us good soil for good draining and salt buildup dolimite lime is good for that.
Hope this helps. Holla if u need me.
Check our my thread. Watch my babies grow look at my monsters look at my babies see how green my cannopy is that is adjusted PH for ya. I keep mine at 6.1 but habe noticed some plants like it higher and some like it lower. You have to learn your plant in order to produce maximum yields an overall quality my friend. Buy ur self a digital PH definately worth it!
Also why are u feeding every other day seedlings should not be drying up that quick. I think ur overwatering IMO.
And stop badtripping about the week flimsy seedling that's normal and will fluctuate with different strains. My current sour diesel seedling were just like that and look at them now. I have mine in5 and 7 gallon pots. Transplant them and put them as deep as you can always leaving a few inches from the bottom or your plant us good soil for good draining and salt buildup dolimite lime is good for that.
Hope this helps. Holla if u need me.
sourdieseltech
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No problem, glad to assist.
I went straight to 4 gallon pots, in my "MG soil vs. FF soil" thread, here in the Newbie Section. I'm quite happy with the results. Check it out, and see what you think. I think they look pretty nice, for 4 weeks old.
yeah man i have been following that thread, those plants look great! do you also agree a quality ph/ec meter is needed?
