2 Pounds Per Light

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pahudson

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bird mcbride said:
Even without co2 you should be able to pull 20-28 oz,s off one 1000w/hps light every eight weeks.
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Here is my problem. I have dealt with temperature and to a certain degree humidity (it was at 100% nearly all the time) so I bought a commercial dehumidifier and I have been able to get it down to 60. I cannot really vent at all, its just not possible in my situation. I have oscillating fans and I was hoping that through passive intake and moving I could blow enough fresh air around to keep them growing. However, it seems like that is not possible, so even if I can supplement co2 with a tank and keep the ppm's at 500-600 its gotta be better than what I am doing, I was just hoping that I could get away without it.

I am not even getting the 20-28 ounces off of a 1000 watt light. Its more like 1.08 pounds per light which is pretty disappointing. Does anyone else supplement with co2 but not run it at saturation point, only keep it in the range of 500-800??
 
mrduke

mrduke

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hey dlivley do you have any other pics of your setup? 2-4 off a 1000 maybe theres room to give your system a try.
 
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Bob Smith

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Hey pahudson, sorry you've got to deal with the bullshit and lies that a lot of people throw at you (and is one of the reason I'm rarely if ever on this site anymore).

Anyhow, you need to first make sure that your genetics can handle what you want - doesn't matter if everything else is perfect if you have shitty genetics.

Second, I'd recommend a nice SCROG - yes, a SOG is marginally more efficient for turnover times, but a properly done SCROG beats a SOG from when the 12/12 switch is flipped, IMO - see Integra21's journal or Boomer242 (although he's at another site now) for how to SCROG well - they both get more than 1gpw with anywhere from 3-9 plants per light.

Thirdly, I had the same problem (couldn't quite crack that gpw barrier doing my SOG in hydroton and lacked the patience to try), so I decided to change my growing style and build a DIY vertical coliseum - going vertical is the easiest way to get to 1gpw, so I just overhauled my entire setup and built a pentadecagon - will be lit by four stacked 600s.

As demonstrated from people like Heath and Ddoc (inventor of the Coliseum, Cage, etc.) vertical gardening is the easiest way to increase your efficiency (all else equal).

Haven't run it yet, but I'd like to think I'll be at 1.5gpw within three harvests, tops, and hopefully blow through 1gpw on my first (assuming no catastrophic problems happen).

PM me for a link to my journal on another site if you're interested (Boomer and Integra are also over at that site).

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2Scoot

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pahudson said:
Ummm a few problems with your post. First, why could I not re-create your environment. Last time I checked, co2 levels are co2 levels, humidity, temperature... same deal, so therefore yes I can re-create any environment you can. Second, scientific developments happen all the time and help us to become more efficient and do better than we could have before. Athletes today are bigger and stronger than they ever have been before. Coincidence? I don't think so. This is why we research. I'm not saying that some of it isn't marketing hype but developments and breakthroughs do happen. Third, its not possible for everyone to attend a greenhouse and take notes on what some gardener does. We have access to this forum for the purpose of discussing the cultivation of marijuana and techniques associated with it. This is our opportunity to discuss what we have tried and what worked and didn't work for us individually. I personally would like to achieve 2 lbs per light. I am yet to do so, and so I started a thread asking for specifics on how to achieve this goal from those that have. Anyone else who would like to share, please do so.
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And again I will stand by my original post; think of all the variables that need to be taken into account: VPD, elevation, nutrient schedule, water schedule, temp differential, and I could go on.I wont even go into CO2 varaibles.
I understand and can respect the fact you have a goal but youre not going to get what you want simply by asking a question, getting a thousand different ideas and then throwing a dart to choose what seem to you is the best option. I'm not a master grower, dont pull in huge weights, but my plants are healthy from start to finish and I believe that Im pushing thier genetic potential.
Im not here to tell you what you want is wrong at all; my point is simply find your own way, its a greater more rewarding journey.
 
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pahudson

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2Scoot said:
And again I will stand by my original post; think of all the variables that need to be taken into account: VPD, elevation, nutrient schedule, water schedule, temp differential, and I could go on.I wont even go into CO2 varaibles.
I understand and can respect the fact you have a goal but youre not going to get what you want simply by asking a question, getting a thousand different ideas and then throwing a dart to choose what seem to you is the best option. I'm not a master grower, dont pull in huge weights, but my plants are healthy from start to finish and I believe that Im pushing thier genetic potential.
Im not here to tell you what you want is wrong at all; my point is simply find your own way, its a greater more rewarding journey.
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Fair enough I'm just trying to gather as much information as possible and if a strategy is logical, I'll give it a shot. Sometimes you get stuck in a rut. We learn from each other right? Once again I understand your point.
 
mrduke

mrduke

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have you ever tried or thought of tring a vertical setup ? i was thinking of trying a stadium style grow with 3-1000's running bare down the middle of the room I think i could easily get 5 lbs but with practice i think 7-8 is doable
 
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Bob Smith

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mrduke said:
have you ever tried or thought of tring a vertical setup ? i was thinking of trying a stadium style grow with 3-1000's running bare down the middle of the room I think i could easily get 5 lbs but with practice i think 7-8 is doable
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See post #45, bro :)

FYI, 3 bare 1Ks would be pretty hard to do - I tried 4 bare 600s and my 14K AC couldn't keep up with that and my watercooled CO2 generator.
 
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Bob Smith

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pahudson said:
Fair enough I'm just trying to gather as much information as possible and if a strategy is logical, I'll give it a shot. Sometimes you get stuck in a rut. We learn from each other right? Once again I understand your point.
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I don't understand his point at all, and it really just sounds like bullshit to me.

Just my $.02 - I can dial in my grow room to any parameters that I want, so save for the elevation differences (negligible at best, and really sounds like grasping at straws), there's nothing that can't be replicated.

And as far as the "find your own way" comment, also couldn't disagree more - with the amount of smart, intelligent people who share their knowledge on the Internet, you'd be a fool to try and fly blind - as one of my growing idols Al B. Fuct says "find someone's grow who you like and copy it".

That's what I do - I didn't design that vertical PVC thing myself, I copied someone else's plans who was nice enough to post them on the Internet.
 
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pahudson

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Bob Smith said:
I don't understand his point at all, and it really just sounds like bullshit to me.

Just my $.02 - I can dial in my grow room to any parameters that I want, so save for the elevation differences (negligible at best, and really sounds like grasping at straws), there's nothing that can't be replicated.

And as far as the "find your own way" comment, also couldn't disagree more - with the amount of smart, intelligent people who share their knowledge on the Internet, you'd be a fool to try and fly blind - as one of my growing idols Al B. Fuct says "find someone's grow who you like and copy it".

That's what I do - I didn't design that vertical PVC thing myself, I copied someone else's plans who was nice enough to post them on the Internet.
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LOL I didn't agree with the guy I'm just trying not to argue with people. He made a point regarding the elevation, and since I don't know definitively the effect it has on mj, I'm not going to argue. The whole educational system would breakdown if the transfer of information and its application was not possible, and we know thats not the case. There's no point in making mistakes someone else has made if you don't have to. Thats why I started this thread. I want to see how other people are getting 2 pounds per light. When I find a style that is doable for me, I will copy it to the best of my ability. Thats why I would like to keep this thread going and get as many responses as possible. Its a good educational resource for everyone.
 
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ElectricPineapple

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dively, i can guarantee you UB knows his stuff, and can yield well. look at some of his plants. its crazy. just because you cant grow as well as him, doesnt mean you should bash him. UB has some great knowledge and if you were smart, you would read some of his threads and learn some stuff, instead of bashing everything he says.
 
mrduke

mrduke

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Bob Smith said:
See post #45, bro :)

FYI, 3 bare 1Ks would be pretty hard to do - I tried 4 bare 600s and my 14K AC couldn't keep up with that and my watercooled CO2 generator.
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yeah bob i know that heat would be crazy I was planning on cooltubes w/o the reflectors, but most of all i just here to try and increase my yeilds like every one else
 
phyzix

phyzix

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Uncle Ben said:
This year in one grow I got 2 pounds 16 ounces dry from 2.5 plants under one light. I used a corner street light, Smokin' Dopin' Ropin' Texas Organics, and Texas Artesian well water, 6.66 oz per pot.

Yee hah!
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This gets better every time I read it :bigjoint:

+rep for a laugh
 
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dlively11

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ElectricPineapple said:
dively, i can guarantee you UB knows his stuff, and can yield well. look at some of his plants. its crazy. just because you cant grow as well as him, doesnt mean you should bash him. UB has some great knowledge and if you were smart, you would read some of his threads and learn some stuff, instead of bashing everything he says.
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Actually I grow better then him that is if you consider 2X the yields he gets as being better. He does nothing but bash people every single time there is a post about removing leaves. He belittles everyone who supports this PROVEN advanced technique. Its not much different then a Scrog or Lollipopping where growers remove large amounts of leaves and branches. Anyone who argues it is counterproductive and hurts yields after seeing countless grows where people are pulling well over 1 gram per watt just isnt seeing very clearly and is the last person I would take advise from. Like Albefuct I found grows I liked and copied the. Amazing , it worked =)

To set the record straight I only chime in about UB when he starts his diarrhea of the mouth comments on topics he knows little to nothing about personally.If he had tried it and done side by sides and had his own evidence it would actually carry some weight but he doesnt.
 
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