A test in progress.... Miracle Grow soil vs. Fox Farms soil. Is MG really that bad?

[gumball]

im curious if a flush will be easy or not. MG could make it have a harsh hit because of the nutes being timed release?

i would think that after a 3-5 month grow cycle, and probably a flush here or there, that the time release would be very minimal if not gone by the time harvest came around. it could be a concern, but a few proper flushes throughout the grow will help to minimize this.

 

[jawbrodt]

to bad the only food they get in mg is N/P/K. thats 3 of the 17 they need. being around long dont make it a good choice. also they use poor nute sources for thier 3 elements

Um,..... I will have to disagree with that. It's soil, it has everything in it, naturally. If it only had NPK in it, everybody would have micro-deficiencies, very early in their grows.

 

[jawbrodt]

i would think that after a 3-5 month grow cycle, and probably a flush here or there, that the time release would be very minimal if not gone by the time harvest came around. it could be a concern, but a few proper flushes throughout the grow will help to minimize this.

Agreed. Again, we're going back to the "MG is terrible", that's been beat into everybody's heads. The .24-.07-.14 on the bag, I'm assuming, is what can be expected to be released with a good watering. Also, the "Feeds for UP TO 3-6 months", is something you have to think about,.....cannabis is one of the fastest-growing plants in the world, using more nutrients than many plants, as well. I'm sure, that MG's maximum estimated feeding times(3-6 months), is based on grandma's cactus sitting in her windowsill, eating barely anything.lol Cannabis has the majority of nutes burned up, quickly, and a few of those little yellow BB-things left in the soil, aren't going to do much, especially to an adult plant. I think people are confusing the "time-released fertilizer" contained in a bag of MG, with pellet-type ferts, which are time-released, and terrible for growing. Those, you can overfeed with.

 

[Afghani420]

Okay, I'm on day 10 of 12/12 and 2 of my plants look like I need to give them some help before they look like my 3rd plant... Plants a,aa and b,bb are the two that look the healthiest. Plant A is definitely the healthiest of the bunch, plant C is the worst. One week ago they got Pure Blend Pro Bloom at a 1/4 strength of the bottle recommendation seven days later they got it at 1/2 strength of the recommendation. I pH distilled water at 6.5 and also feed 1 tbsp of Grandma's Unsulphered Molasses. They are under 12 - 23w 2700k CFL's and have a ceiling fan gently blowing a breeze on them most of the time and I shut the ceiling fan off every few nights while they sleep. Lately there has been a lot of growth, and they plants are filling in really well with the exception of plant C. I'm going to cut it down pretty soon, it's more trouble than it's worth... unless you folks can recommend a way to save "her"? She got fimmed pretty bad 2 nights ago (because I'm pretty much using it as a guinea pig at this point honestly).

I'm seriously considering transplanting to a FFOF or FFHP with a 20% perlite mix into 5 gallon pots (currently they're in 3 gallon). Can this and anything else I do help them grow healthier and bounce back? So far they are getting fat at the nodes, stems are thickening, lots of additional growth, even getting a couple alternating nodes showing up. I'd really like to help fix these girls. Lots of thanks and praise in advance.

-Afghani420

 

[Serapis]

Okay, I'm on day 10 of 12/12 and 2 of my plants look like I need to give them some help before they look like my 3rd plant... Plants a,aa and b,bb are the two that look the healthiest. Plant A is definitely the healthiest of the bunch, plant C is the worst. One week ago they got Pure Blend Pro Bloom at a 1/4 strength of the bottle recommendation seven days later they got it at 1/2 strength of the recommendation. I pH distilled water at 6.5 and also feed 1 tbsp of Grandma's Unsulphered Molasses. They are under 12 - 23w 2700k CFL's and have a ceiling fan gently blowing a breeze on them most of the time and I shut the ceiling fan off every few nights while they sleep. Lately there has been a lot of growth, and they plants are filling in really well with the exception of plant C. I'm going to cut it down pretty soon, it's more trouble than it's worth... unless you folks can recommend a way to save "her"? She got fimmed pretty bad 2 nights ago (because I'm pretty much using it as a guinea pig at this point honestly).

I'm seriously considering transplanting to a FFOF or FFHP with a 20% perlite mix into 5 gallon pots (currently they're in 3 gallon). Can this and anything else I do help them grow healthier and bounce back? So far they are getting fat at the nodes, stems are thickening, lots of additional growth, even getting a couple alternating nodes showing up. I'd really like to help fix these girls. Lots of thanks and praise in advance.

-Afghani420

I don't mean to be offensive at all here, but why are you posting your plant problems in this grow thread? Wouldn't you be better served to start up a post in Plant Problems and asking for help?

 

[Medi 1]

Um,..... I will have to disagree with that. It's soil, it has everything in it, naturally. If it only had NPK in it, everybody would have micro-deficiencies, very early in their grows.

dissagree all you want. its true. we need so little of the others youll not likely see it. how many times do you see those deff`s anyways, hardly ever. or they have been missdiagnosed. and some come in our water. nothing natural about mg soil. maybe thats why they get sued all the time for lying on labels and many othwer reasons. probably the most sued nute co out there.

when we test weed grown in it it fails badly.

 

[Afghani420]

I don't mean to be offensive at all here, but why are you posting your plant problems in this grow thread? Wouldn't you be better served to start up a post in Plant Problems and asking for help?

Well you are being offensive. If you don't want to help, don't reply. Just ignore it like a fart in the wind.

The reason I have posted this here is because I feel there might be some people here with MG experience that can help out... and the person who started this thread has given me good advice and guidance.

You sound like an arrogant douche btw.

 

[jawbrodt]

Well you are being offensive. If you don't want to help, don't reply. Just ignore it like a fart in the wind.

The reason I have posted this here is because I feel there might be some people here with MG experience that can help out... and the person who started this thread has given me good advice and guidance.

You sound like an arrogant douche btw.

Hey man, ease up on Serapis. He's just trying to prevent you from getting flamed by other members, in the nicest way possible. It's proper forum etiquette, to start a new thread, for new questions, but, you just happened to get lucky, in that I'm not a proper person.(and I didn't even have my coffee yet ) LOL, just messin with ya. I'm a little busy now, but will be back a little later, hopefully, with a solution that'll work for ya. At a quick glance, I'd say that the sand has clogged up your soil, causing your problems. Go get a piece of a coathanger or something, sharpen it to a point, and 'till'(break up) the top layer of soil. Also, poke lots if deep holes into the center mass, allowing air to enter, the plant to breathe, and the soil to dry out. As long as your PH'ing your fert mix, that's the only obvious problem I can see, ATM. I'll think about it some more, then come back a little later. Sound good?

 

[jesus of Cannabis]

Well you are being offensive. If you don't want to help, don't reply. Just ignore it like a fart in the wind.

The reason I have posted this here is because I feel there might be some people here with MG experience that can help out... and the person who started this thread has given me good advice and guidance.

You sound like an arrogant douche btw.

Its hijacking someone else's thread, community etiquette on the forums. Start your own thread about your problems, lots of goof balls using MG these days. ::

 

[jawbrodt]

^LOL

dissagree all you want. its true. we need so little of the others youll not likely see it. how many times do you see those deff`s anyways, hardly ever. or they have been missdiagnosed. and some come in our water. nothing natural about mg soil. maybe thats why they get sued all the time for lying on labels and many othwer reasons. probably the most sued nute co out there.

when we test weed grown in it it fails badly.

Anybody with half a brain, will assume you have no idea what you're talking about, Mr. Scientist(who refuses to use capitals, and punctuation). Perhaps you do work in a facility that tests these sorts of things, IDK, but I do know that you're not the one doing the testing, that's for certain. I'd be more than willing to change my mind, or even back you up, if you were to provide some sort of evidence, and/or statistics, to back your claims. What is contained in this weed, that makes it fail so badly? I am genuinally interested, in any info you can provide.

 

[RavenMochi]

dissagree all you want. its true. we need so little of the others youll not likely see it. how many times do you see those deff`s anyways, hardly ever. or they have been missdiagnosed. and some come in our water. nothing natural about mg soil. maybe thats why they get sued all the time for lying on labels and many othwer reasons. probably the most sued nute co out there.

when we test weed grown in it it fails badly.

Results please? The point of this test was to prove. Yes, we've heard a thousand others just like you tell us mg is bad bad bad, never having any results to back up your statement. This thread was about results. Got any to share? No,. just opinion? Shocker. And how was this weed tested? May I see the test results? I'm willing to bet you don't have those either. Still trying to justify getting ripped off for soil?

Nothing natural about mg. Yea, I'm sure this dirt was made in a test tube...And what lawsuits, can you reference any of those? If the plant doesn't need enough of those "Needed" nutes to show a def, than maybe you don't understand what the word "need" means. Plants "need" water, you don't give water, they die. So if they "needed" what your saying they're not getting in mg soil, they would die...

So how about it medi? Were are your results that your quoting. Don't confuse fact and opinion.

I bet we see a lot more like you and jesus trying to justify the fact that you got scammed by a company that doesn't even have the courtesy to put a guaranteed analysis on the bag. If I'm wrong, then please, do as jaw did and get us results proving what you say. But we all know they're will be no test done, you'll continue talking as if your word were gospel, never daring to test it yourself.

 

[GrowKrom]

I posted ealier in this thread with some lil ones i started out in MG soil noticed some yellowing and treated it fine flushed and retreated added a couple of Cfl's in with it and they took off great week 4 on the larger ones and 2 on the smaller no fung or nat probs yet..

 

[RavenMochi]

looks good growkrom....

 

[stinkbudd1]

Boy oh Boy it's getting hot in here, man i take a couple of days off and come back to some heated debates...One thing i must say though is this no matter what soil we use we are all adding nutes of some kind or another to them at one point or another so if MG is trully missing any thing in its makeup it must not be to much that the added nutes cant correct or complete and if FF OF or whatever else people are paying 20 bucks a bag for is not lacking for anything in its makeup then why add nutes? I dont care what type of soil you use if you grow your plant well enough it will need some kind of extra supliments to thrive and grow well..So at 3-4 buck a bag and useing my simple feeding schedule and nutes, the same ones id be useing if i grew in FF ill save the cash and still get great results...Peace

 

[phyzix]

I believe the hate for MG soil derives from the people who buy the kind with time release ferts and then burn plants later on. It's impossible to correct because you can't flush...watering more will release more of the time ferts and make the problem worse.

 

[Canon]

I do everything wrong (and love it ).

These were started in MG Moisture Control from seed.
8 Plants total.
3 in the back & the one front and center are fed MG bloom and Peroxide. Worm castings were added to all at the start, but not much.

2 in the middle and the 2 in front on the ends recieve Tiger Bloom, Big Bloom, Molassis, and peroxide.

All water is tap water at 7.0 - 6.7, Airated with airstone 1 day before use.


They've all been FIMed and LSTed until 2 weeks ago to keep canopy even and short(?).

I havn't had any real issues with the soil once I learned not to overwater. But, I learned.

I think 2 showed balls today. I'll cull tomorrow when I do a final LST adjust.

Roadrunner auto from seed in same soil;


I do kind of rinse and bake before use.

 

[stinkbudd1]

I do everything wrong (and love it ).

These were started in MG Moisture Control from seed.
8 Plants total.
3 in the back & the one front and center are fed MG bloom and Peroxide. Worm castings were added to all at the start, but not much.

2 in the middle and the 2 in front on the ends recieve Tiger Bloom, Big Bloom, Molassis, and peroxide.

All water is tap water at 7.0 - 6.7, Airated with airstone 1 day before use.
View attachment 1230809 View attachment 1230813

They've all been FIMed and LSTed until 2 weeks ago to keep canopy even and short(?).

I havn't had any real issues with the soil once I learned not to overwater. But, I learned.

I think 2 showed balls today. I'll cull tomorrow when I do a final LST adjust.

Roadrunner auto from seed in same soil;
View attachment 1230826

I do kind of rinse and bake before use.

Hope it's not a dumb ? but why peroxide?

 

[GreatwhiteNorth]

Hope it's not a dumb ? but why peroxide?

I was wondering the same thing myself.
Not diss'in, just curious.

 

[Canon]

Hope it's not a dumb ? but why peroxide?

Started some grows ago with mold. We have hi humidity almost all the time.
Wiped out the mold. Then found it adds Oxygen to the soil. Also found the plants seem to really like it.
I mix 1/2 cup per gallon.
Heard it kills organic soils. I know nothing about it except, like MG, it does good for me.

More info; http://www.using-hydrogen-peroxide.com/peroxide-garden.html

Sorry, wrong one. (changed it.)

 

[mcpurple]

Started some grows ago with mold. We have hi humidity almost all the time.
Wiped out the mold. Then found it adds Oxygen to the soil. Also found the plants seem to really like it.
I mix 1/2 cup per gallon.
Heard it kills organic soils. I know nothing about it except, like MG, it does good for me.

More info; http://www.using-hydrogen-peroxide.com/peroxide-garden.html

Sorry, wrong one. (changed it.)

hydrogen peroxide should be used in hydro, yes it kills off bad things in soil but it also kills the bad microbes and benifical things in the soil.