A quick question help please
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If you trim the leaves you take away the sugars backups of the plant but you let more light penetrate lower and that lower parts photosynthesize more sugars.
Its a win - lose situation and up to you to decide.
If your plant NEEDS those sugar banks (AKA you a noob) keep those leaves on.
I run a SCROG and trim the leaves that shade any budsite around the screen. My plants are healthy as a picture and there is no stress shown.
However, they were healthy to begin with.
Running with chemical fertilizers makes this plucking more acceptable as the plant get everything it needs anyway so he should rely on those backups.
With organics its not always the case. (I run organic)
Its a win - lose situation and up to you to decide.
If your plant NEEDS those sugar banks (AKA you a noob) keep those leaves on.
I run a SCROG and trim the leaves that shade any budsite around the screen. My plants are healthy as a picture and there is no stress shown.
However, they were healthy to begin with.
Running with chemical fertilizers makes this plucking more acceptable as the plant get everything it needs anyway so he should rely on those backups.
With organics its not always the case. (I run organic)
cadeneli
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There are techniques that require trimming like scrog or sog. If yoyre not doing either try and resist cutting any healthy leaves off. Ill say it like I always do. Stupid mother nature putting these leaves that store valuable nutrients and sugars that serve as solar panels in my way, let's cut em off. Lol
darkdestruction420
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Yes, its very bad, dont ever remove a leaf unless it comes off the plant with a gentle tug, even leaves that dont look good, the plant drains energy stores and such of leaves that are too damaged or old for the plant to keep them around any longer and if a leaf dont come off with a gentle tug the plants not ready to remove it yet. Cutting any leaves even those that are blocking other leaves or tops or buds is also a bad idea since the thing is that plants leaves are alot less solid than they appear to us, it is the chloroplasts in the leaves that interact with the light and make energy for the plant, the key thing there is that they allow alot of the light particles that it specifically uses through to interact with the leaves under it, the top leaves cannot absorb all of it......in fact they absorb a very small percentage.....15%, the rest keeps going.
marijuananation
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Let the leaves fall of naturally unless they are damaged beyond repair.
jawbrodt
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I don't even cut off any of the lower fan leaves, that are going yellow, etc,...which is typical as the plant matures. I assume that removing a leaf that is being depleted of it's reserves, will re-focus that 'drain' to a healthy leaf, and in turn, it'll likely start yellowing soon. I don't remove them until they pull off easliy, or are clearly dead. Otherwise, I leave 'em there. As mentioned, there are times when an experienced grower can safely remove them, but my suggestion is that if you are just getting started, to leave them alone. There's more risk of doing harm, than good, PLUS, nobody has ever proven to me, that trimming fan leaves increases anything, especially yield. I've seen many trimmed plants that look great, but no better than untrimmed ones. Okay, let the arguements begin.... 
Snow Crash
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You should check out the defoliation thread.
Bottom line is that you must decide for yourself.
Plants grow more leaves than they need because in nature they are constantly being defoliated by the elements and by organisms. This behavior can be capitalized on by indoor gardeners who have limited lighting. By removing a single leaf that is covering a bud site you will now allow four, or more, smaller leaves to absorb that light. There is no loss of energy manufacturing as incorrectly perpetrated by the opponents of defoliation. They just can't wrap their heads around the fact that there is more to growing bud than fan leaves.
These are the same people that would rather remove a bud site than a fan leaf. They grow lettuce.
Defoliation methods are similar to LST methods in that more direct light will reach the internode branches. This will allow these branches to grow out to be healthy bud sites. I can post some pictures in a bit to show you what I'm talking about (that is if I can find my damned memory card!). It takes 2 days or so for the plant to rebound and replace the lost leaf mass, so that 48 hours after the trimming your lower branches have already over-compensated for the loss of the leaf.
Many people ignore the impact of hormones on the plants. Beginning early on with defoliation you will strengthen the plant against stress as it has been conditioned to deal with the growth/stress hormones that are released from the removal of leaves. These hormones play a HUGE factor in the overall size and shape of your plant, and this is another point the opponents of defoliation fail to recognize as a beneficial factor.
Many people raise what I consider to be the equivalent of Veal. Small plants, pampered and babied to keep soft. What I propose is more of a Barcelona Bull that has been run and worked out. Big, beefy.
In time (not much of it) those lower branches become fully established and will produce fan leaves of their own. So you can use the enormous leaves of the main stalk, that require an excess of energy just to keep themselves cool and to transport energy and nutrition in and out... Or you can use the smaller and more numerous fan leaves of your lower branches that require less energy to stay cool, or to keep themselves healthy.
I promise you. Anyone that speaks out against defoliation has never tried it. Anyone that is pro-defoliation has tried it and won't do it any other way. Ultimately it is up to the grower to decide if they want to add another week of veg life to really fill that plant out or if they are just looking for a short stick with a bud on top.
Bottom line is that you must decide for yourself.
Plants grow more leaves than they need because in nature they are constantly being defoliated by the elements and by organisms. This behavior can be capitalized on by indoor gardeners who have limited lighting. By removing a single leaf that is covering a bud site you will now allow four, or more, smaller leaves to absorb that light. There is no loss of energy manufacturing as incorrectly perpetrated by the opponents of defoliation. They just can't wrap their heads around the fact that there is more to growing bud than fan leaves.
These are the same people that would rather remove a bud site than a fan leaf. They grow lettuce.
Defoliation methods are similar to LST methods in that more direct light will reach the internode branches. This will allow these branches to grow out to be healthy bud sites. I can post some pictures in a bit to show you what I'm talking about (that is if I can find my damned memory card!). It takes 2 days or so for the plant to rebound and replace the lost leaf mass, so that 48 hours after the trimming your lower branches have already over-compensated for the loss of the leaf.
Many people ignore the impact of hormones on the plants. Beginning early on with defoliation you will strengthen the plant against stress as it has been conditioned to deal with the growth/stress hormones that are released from the removal of leaves. These hormones play a HUGE factor in the overall size and shape of your plant, and this is another point the opponents of defoliation fail to recognize as a beneficial factor.
Many people raise what I consider to be the equivalent of Veal. Small plants, pampered and babied to keep soft. What I propose is more of a Barcelona Bull that has been run and worked out. Big, beefy.
In time (not much of it) those lower branches become fully established and will produce fan leaves of their own. So you can use the enormous leaves of the main stalk, that require an excess of energy just to keep themselves cool and to transport energy and nutrition in and out... Or you can use the smaller and more numerous fan leaves of your lower branches that require less energy to stay cool, or to keep themselves healthy.
I promise you. Anyone that speaks out against defoliation has never tried it. Anyone that is pro-defoliation has tried it and won't do it any other way. Ultimately it is up to the grower to decide if they want to add another week of veg life to really fill that plant out or if they are just looking for a short stick with a bud on top.
darkdestruction420
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you really think we;ve never tried it just because we are saying its not a good idea? where the fuck did you get that idea? you've got alot of reading on botany to do, did you miss this part up above?
"that plants leaves are alot less solid than they appear to us, it is the chloroplasts in the leaves that interact with the light and make energy for the plant, the key thing there is that they allow alot of the light particles that it specifically uses through to interact with the leaves under it, the top leaves cannot absorb all of it......in fact they absorb a very small percentage.....15%, the rest keeps going. "? no hard feelings but stop acting like your some genius and no one else has ever tried it out and we say its bad for the hell of it? Basic botany is beyond your understanding apparently so make sure you know what your talking about next time.
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intense keep it going.....bump
Snow Crash
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Wow... 8,000 posts deep and you've really nailed the insulting someone without outright saying it down solid.
How about, Pics or it didn't happen? You're an Internet forum dbag, I don't care what you might imagine you know of my education level and I have no need to participate in your dick measuring.
God forbid you should remove some leaves and have the canopy I do.
You keep doing what you've been doing dude. Let the world pass you by. You're going on ignore, I could do without people like you in my life.
How about, Pics or it didn't happen? You're an Internet forum dbag, I don't care what you might imagine you know of my education level and I have no need to participate in your dick measuring.
God forbid you should remove some leaves and have the canopy I do.
You keep doing what you've been doing dude. Let the world pass you by. You're going on ignore, I could do without people like you in my life.
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woooo they look beautiful. +rep man. I am against removing fan leaves, but thats just me
darkdestruction420
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ahahaha, little thin skinned arent you? You can say what you want to me, but i wont let you fuck up other peoples grows like this by giving bs advice.
