The Ruiner Responds to J. David Nick

[budling357]

Man, the inspirational music is really flowing on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YywFjQzatlQ

 

[TokinPodPilot]

Man, the inspirational music is really flowing on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YywFjQzatlQ

I'd rather be inspired to think for myself than be told what to think personally...

[video=youtube;vWj8teXRXs8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWj8teXRXs8[/video]

 

[Dan Kone]

My absolute favorite part of that bullshit letter is where this fucker says 'I can easily picture defending someone with 200 lbs.'

Shame on:

• Gary E. Johnson, former two term Republican Governor of the state of New Mexico[26]
• Joycelyn Elders, former United States Surgeon General[27]
• George Miller, current Democratic House Representative from California's 7th congressional district[28]
• Barbara Lee, current Democratic House Representative from California's 9th congressional district[28]
• Pete Stark, current Democratic House Representative from California's 13th congressional district[28]
• John Dennis, 2010 Republican Congressional candidate for California's 8th congressional district[29]
• Dan Hamburg, former Democratic House Representative from California's 1st congressional district[30]
• Don Perata, former Democratic President pro tempore of the California State Senate[30]
• Mark Leno, current Democratic member of the California State Senate[30]
• Tom Ammiano, current Democratic member of the California State Assembly[31][32]
• Jorge Castañeda Gutman, former Secretary of Foreign Affairs of Mexico[33]
• Larry Bedard, former President of the American College of Emergency Physicians[34]
• Tom Bates, current Mayor of Berkeley, California[30]
• James P. Gray, former Superior Court judge of Orange County, California and former Libertarian Party senate candidate[35]
• John A. Russo, current City Attorney of Oakland, California[36]
• Paul Gallegos, current District Attorney of Humboldt County, California[30]
• Jeffrey Schwartz, former Senior District Attorney and Prosecutor of Humboldt County, California[30]
• Terence Hallinan, former District Attorney of San Francisco, California[30]
• Mike Schmier, former District Attorney of Los Angeles, California and California Administrative Law Judge[30]
• Norm Stamper, former Seattle, Washington police chief[37]
• Joseph McNamara, former San Jose, California police chief[30]
• Stephen Downing, former Los Angeles, California police chief[30]
• David Doodridge, former Los Angeles, California narcotics detective[38]
• Ed Rosenthal, cannabis activist and columnist [39]
• Marc Emery, cannabis activist and former cannabis seed seller[40]
• California NAACP[41]
• Oakland City Council[42]
• Berkeley City Council[30]
• California NORML[43]
• Drug Policy Alliance[44]
• Marijuana Policy Project[45]
• American Federation of Teachers[46]
• National Black Police Association[47]
• Law Enforcement Against Prohibition[48]
• ACLU of Northern California[30]
• ACLU of San Diego[30]
• United Food and Commercial Workers Union[49]
• Communications Workers of America, Local 9415[50]
• International Longshore and Warehouse Union, Northern California District Council[51]
• Service Employees International Union of California[52]
• Interfaith Drug Policy Initiative[30]
• Los Angeles County Democratic Party[53]
• San Francisco Democratic Party[54]
• Alameda County Democratic Party[30]
• Monterey County Democratic Party[30]
• Santa Barbara County Democratic Party[55]
• California Young Democrats[56]
• Republican Liberty Caucus[30]
• Green Party of California[30]
• United States Libertarian Party[57]

Pisses me off to see the Libertarian Party...may have to rethink my orientation...

Take a long hard look at this list of people you are shaming. Barbara Lee, Tom Ammiano, California NORML, marijuana Policy Project. These people have done a great deal for people all over California. All you've ever done is complain. Who the hell are you to shame them?

You should be embarrassed for shaming Tom Ammiano. He's one of the few politician in the world with balls enough to speak out and fight for cannabis. This reminds me of when Fox news and the republicans started slandering the 9/11 widows who refused to support the Iraq war.

Then take a look at the list of groups opposing prop 19.

The DEA, the prison guards union, Steve Cooley (LA DA who shut down hundreds of dispensaries), DARE America, Coalition for a Drug-Free California, Gil Kerlikowske (drug czar), California Police Chiefs Association, California Narcotics Officers Association, California Beer & Beverage Distributors.

Anyone here who wants to side with these people is playing for the wrong team.

 

[Greather420]

As far as the high school kids statement goes.....I was being sarcastic; I guess that's hard to show through words alone. I was basically trying to point out how ridiculous it is to argue AGAINST prop 19 and use not being able to sell to people under age 21 as a reason to argue that way. But hey, everyone's got a right to their own opinion.....don't they?

 

[TokinPodPilot]

As far as the high school kids statement goes.....I was being sarcastic; I guess that's hard to show through words alone. I was basically trying to point out how ridiculous it is to argue AGAINST prop 19 and use not being able to sell to people under age 21 as a reason to argue that way. But hey, everyone's got a right to their own opinion.....don't they?

No one said anything about selling. That's the obsession of you and your fellow proponents. I said you are willing to criminalize adults under the age of 21 for the sake of your sense of safety. You can rationalize it any way you need to, but there are adults who do not go to jail now for possession that will should Prop. 19 pass.

 

[veggiegardener]

Take a long hard look at this list of people you are shaming. Barbara Lee, Tom Ammiano, California NORML, marijuana Policy Project. These people have done a great deal for people all over California. All you've ever done is complain. Who the hell are you to shame them?

You should be embarrassed for shaming Tom Ammiano. He's one of the few politician in the world with balls enough to speak out and fight for cannabis. This reminds me of when Fox news and the republicans started slandering the 9/11 widows who refused to support the Iraq war.

Then take a look at the list of groups opposing prop 19.

The DEA, the prison guards union, Steve Cooley (LA DA who shut down hundreds of dispensaries), DARE America, Coalition for a Drug-Free California, Gil Kerlikowske (drug czar), California Police Chiefs Association, California Narcotics Officers Association, California Beer & Beverage Distributors.

Anyone here who wants to side with these people is playing for the wrong team.

Agreed. Strange bedfellows.

Apparently, they don't understand 19, either.

NO on 19. It isn't what is seems to be.

 

[budling357]

Agreed. Strange bedfellows.

Apparently, they don't understand 19, either.

NO on 19. It isn't what is seems to be.

If its not what it seems to be, what is it? Some facts please, not just rambling of opinion.

Face value is the legalization of marijuana. Anything else is speculation.

 

[budling357]

My wife and I wont be able to grow ten pounds for our personal consuption. Wah wah wah.

(That was me pretending to be Mr. NO on 19)

 

[The Ruiner]

Take a long hard look at this list of people you are shaming. Barbara Lee, Tom Ammiano, California NORML, marijuana Policy Project. These people have done a great deal for people all over California. All you've ever done is complain. Who the hell are you to shame them?

You should be embarrassed for shaming Tom Ammiano. He's one of the few politician in the world with balls enough to speak out and fight for cannabis. This reminds me of when Fox news and the republicans started slandering the 9/11 widows who refused to support the Iraq war.

Then take a look at the list of groups opposing prop 19.

The DEA, the prison guards union, Steve Cooley (LA DA who shut down hundreds of dispensaries), DARE America, Coalition for a Drug-Free California, Gil Kerlikowske (drug czar), California Police Chiefs Association, California Narcotics Officers Association, California Beer & Beverage Distributors.

Anyone here who wants to side with these people is playing for the wrong team.

Dan...I dont really care about how you look to twist things anymore. I can shame whoever the fuck I want to, including you. I personally am tired of all the bullshit and have come to terms with the realities. I think its a horrible idea, and I think the people supporting are horrible people....yes, I said that - I don't fucking care anymore. Stay away from me then, because I can assure you that I will have absolutely nothing nice to say. Until November, and I hope to god that this fails, I might be nicer if that happens. I hope that all these people that have been pushing this piece of shit, with "collectives" like yours, go down in flames, or out in handcuffs. Its fucking criminal what certain elements within the MJ community are willing to do for money, and I hope that someday very fucking soon you will be forced to pay the karmic price for your evil intentions. If you dont like what I say, ignore me. Go the fuck away, forever I hope, when this thing fails.

I could tolerate taking the rap for "losing out" on 19 - that I could totally live with for the rest of my life.

What I couldn't live with is knowing that I was responsible for ruining (at least) tens of thousands of lives out of avarice.

And for the record A-hole, you and steve cooley say the same thing about 19...."it wont affect medical marijuana." I have learnt well enough not to trust Cooley, and thats enough for me not to trust you.

 

[budling357]

Dan...I dont really care about how you look to twist things anymore. I can shame whoever the fuck I want to, including you. I personally am tired of all the bullshit and have come to terms with the realities. I think its a horrible idea, and I think the people supporting are horrible people....yes, I said that - I don't fucking care anymore. Stay away from me then, because I can assure you that I will have absolutely nothing nice to say. Until November, and I hope to god that this fails, I might be nicer if that happens. I hope that all these people that have been pushing this piece of shit, with "collectives" like yours, go down in flames, or out in handcuffs. Its fucking criminal what certain elements within the MJ community are willing to do for money, and I hope that someday very fucking soon you will be forced to pay the karmic price for your evil intentions. If you dont like what I say, ignore me. Go the fuck away, forever I hope, when this thing fails.

I could tolerate taking the rap for "losing out" on 19 - that I could totally live with for the rest of my life.

What I couldn't live with is knowing that I was responsible for ruining (at least) tens of thousands of lives out of avarice.

And for the record A-hole, you and steve cooley say the same thing about 19...."it wont affect medical marijuana." I have learnt well enough not to trust Cooley, and thats enough for me not to trust you.

I bet you voted for Obama. All in in the beginning, but run at the first sign of failure.

 

[mr2shim]

I bet you voted for Obama. All in in the beginning, but run at the first sign of failure.

Funny you say that, I was going to say he's a die hard McCain/Palin supporter.

 

[Serapis]

My absolute favorite part of that bullshit letter is where this fucker says 'I can easily picture defending someone with 200 lbs.'

Shame on:

• Gary E. Johnson, former two term Republican Governor of the state of New Mexico[26]
• Joycelyn Elders, former United States Surgeon General[27]
• George Miller, current Democratic House Representative from California's 7th congressional district[28]
• Barbara Lee, current Democratic House Representative from California's 9th congressional district[28]
• Pete Stark, current Democratic House Representative from California's 13th congressional district[28]
• John Dennis, 2010 Republican Congressional candidate for California's 8th congressional district[29]
• Dan Hamburg, former Democratic House Representative from California's 1st congressional district[30]
• Don Perata, former Democratic President pro tempore of the California State Senate[30]
• Mark Leno, current Democratic member of the California State Senate[30]
• Tom Ammiano, current Democratic member of the California State Assembly[31][32]
• Jorge Castañeda Gutman, former Secretary of Foreign Affairs of Mexico[33]
• Larry Bedard, former President of the American College of Emergency Physicians[34]
• Tom Bates, current Mayor of Berkeley, California[30]
• James P. Gray, former Superior Court judge of Orange County, California and former Libertarian Party senate candidate[35]
• John A. Russo, current City Attorney of Oakland, California[36]
• Paul Gallegos, current District Attorney of Humboldt County, California[30]
• Jeffrey Schwartz, former Senior District Attorney and Prosecutor of Humboldt County, California[30]
• Terence Hallinan, former District Attorney of San Francisco, California[30]
• Mike Schmier, former District Attorney of Los Angeles, California and California Administrative Law Judge[30]
• Norm Stamper, former Seattle, Washington police chief[37]
• Joseph McNamara, former San Jose, California police chief[30]
• Stephen Downing, former Los Angeles, California police chief[30]
• David Doodridge, former Los Angeles, California narcotics detective[38]
• Ed Rosenthal, cannabis activist and columnist [39]
• Marc Emery, cannabis activist and former cannabis seed seller[40]
• California NAACP[41]
• Oakland City Council[42]
• Berkeley City Council[30]
• California NORML[43]
• Drug Policy Alliance[44]
• Marijuana Policy Project[45]
• American Federation of Teachers[46]
• National Black Police Association[47]
• Law Enforcement Against Prohibition[48]
• ACLU of Northern California[30]
• ACLU of San Diego[30]
• United Food and Commercial Workers Union[49]
• Communications Workers of America, Local 9415[50]
• International Longshore and Warehouse Union, Northern California District Council[51]
• Service Employees International Union of California[52]
• Interfaith Drug Policy Initiative[30]
• Los Angeles County Democratic Party[53]
• San Francisco Democratic Party[54]
• Alameda County Democratic Party[30]
• Monterey County Democratic Party[30]
• Santa Barbara County Democratic Party[55]
• California Young Democrats[56]
• Republican Liberty Caucus[30]
• Green Party of California[30]
• United States Libertarian Party[57]

Pisses me off to see the Libertarian Party...may have to rethink my orientation...

You are missing a lot of other supporters and groups, including many retired sheriffs, judges, and feds. Even NORML and Ed Rosenthal are for this law. Am I to believe you are smarter than them? I believe that all of your arguments are based in fear of losing 215 rights. consider this, even if your card was cheap and easy to obtain, there are those that are healthy that will not toss their morals in the trash to take advantage of compassionate use laws. To them, 19 offers an expansion from a zero sq foot garden to a 25 square foot one. It also decriminalizes possession of up to an oz.

19 is not written to supersede 215. It is written for those that take take advantage of 215. All others opposed to 19 have personal and financial reasons to be so.