Push for death for animal cruelty....

[natmoon]

I guess I live in a bigger city and have been to jail quite a few times and know these kind of people first hand better then others. 2 minutes with these type of people you realise thier is not helping them or any use for them

Ive also been to prison and lived with some very dodgy people on the outside to.

This hasn't changed my views that inside of every person is a diamond that just has to be dug up.
The more they are hurting the deeper it is.

It is not our responsibility to find these peoples diamonds but our governments responsibility to provide trained people to help them instead of locking them up in a hell hole and then letting them back out to do even more harm.

It is however our responsibility to tell our govts that even we can see that the prison system does not work properly in its present state and that many people in jail shouldn't really be there,they should be in the nut house and that many others are in need of education or just some basic old psychotherapy.

Killing people that are mad,sad or bad is not a good idea in my opinion and this is just one more example of our govts brushing poor or mad,bad people under the carpet.

I do really believe that 9 out 10 people in prison could well be gotten through to and made to begin to understand the emotions of empathy and compassion if we could remove the walls they have put in place to protect themselves.

Most of these big nutty guys i ever met are really soft as shit and hiding in a big body and a tiny mind,its all walls to stop them feeling anything at all.
But as soon as you put those walls up in your mind you are then on a borderline with a natural born psychopath because this is what makes them a psychopath,the total lack of empathy or compassion.

I hear we cant afford to help these people every day but we can afford another 1000 jet fighters at 100 million a piece.

 

[abNORML]

just give the offenders 5000 hours of community service and a 25,000 dollar fine ( that woudl be used to fund shelters.)

 

[Pizip]

just give the offenders 5000 hours of community service and a 25,000 dollar fine ( that woudl be used to fund shelters.)

perfect idea

 

[FilthyFletch]

If the neighbor is selling crack meth coke, liquid g or any non natural occuring substance and he can prove in court that the drugs he dealt killed someone then yes death sentence for that dealer..

 

[FilthyFletch]

Well the jails and prisons I went and the people in the hood I grew up with maybe 2 out of 20 were savable in some way.Most of the murders and violent offenders who I sat and broke bread with there was no diamond just coal

 

[MyNameIsHead]

i think every jail should be solitary confinement for every offender in jail cells 8x8 with only a toilet a bed and a window 10 foot above
obviously we make the legal system a tad more lenient and the sentences shorter or less harsh
that way you stop all crime that is actually committed in the prisons and jails
also such harsh conditions in prison would ween people away from committing crimes
also i think it is easily possible to legalize marijuana and hemp in a positive way that can actually help this country a great deal

 

[purplehaze2]

yea ! I dew eat meat that doesnt mean I cant fill sorry for the deer,I like deer meat its good shit.I guess Im a hypocrite, I just thought thats what we raised animals on farms for to eat . But If I had to kill it myself to eat I wouldnt do it. people seem very touchy when you tell them you feel sorry for an animal. your an animal activest dude!

 

[Garden Knowm]

HAVE you seen how meat gets to your table.. farm animals are treated way worse than ANY FIGHT DOGS.. way worse.. and on a GRAND scale.. that would blow your fucking MIND..

iloveyou

a cow is just as cool as any dog.. and so is a rooster..

ANLMAL lovers that eat meat are advocating some serious double standars.. aren't they..?

or can you justify your love for your dog is greater than the love somebody could have for a COW?

lol

iloveyou

 

[Pizip]

i love you so much for that Knowm^^^

 

[natmoon]

Well the jails and prisons I went and the people in the hood I grew up with maybe 2 out of 20 were savable in some way.Most of the murders and violent offenders who I sat and broke bread with there was no diamond just coal

Theres always a diamond fletch.
I hope one day that you to can once again see through their facade.

I don't disagree with your feelings either i would feel the same way if someone hurt me my family or my pets and i would find it hard to forgive them and at the time i would probably attempt to maim or kill them to depending on what they had done.

This is why i said its not our responsibility to heal these people its our govts.
Specially trained people that are disconnected with the actual offense are needed instead of warped and bent prison screws that turf out more screwed up people than went in.

 

[Garden Knowm]

legalize all drugs.... everything...

and tax the shit outta of it...

crime vanishes!

 

[MyNameIsHead]

dude i can seriously care less how the food gets to my table
forserious
its not that I'm a cold hearted person but... it's the fact that they are fucking animals. it cant ask me how it tastes
so i dont care

 

[natmoon]

dude i can seriously care less how the food gets to my table
forserious
its not that I'm a cold hearted person but... it's the fact that they are fucking animals. it cant ask me how it tastes
so i dont care

This is exactly why animals are abused,because of attitudes like yours.
I hope you realize that

 

[MyNameIsHead]

its all my fault

 

[natmoon]

its all my fault

Not personally,but as part of a collective conscious or a society you have a responsibility to use your obvious intellect to observe that animals feel pain and the simple fact that we cannot call ourselves human beings if we treat them badly whether that be farm animals or pets and have the balls to say so

 

[MyNameIsHead]

its not that i dont have balls
its that i just dont care
im like...really care free

 

[natmoon]

its not that i dont have balls
its that i just dont care
im like...really care free

I am sure you are

 

[LoganSmith]

I think you are going in many directions but only giving one answer to all of the examples.

This is a very complex world not country. What you believe is what you believe.

Every crime should have its punishment and be done by a non corrupt system. Unfortunately this will never happen. There are to many people in the world and everyone has there price.

Maybe someone thinks the crimes that you have committed deserve a harsher sentence.

The text time you eat a hamberger or stake someone in India is cursing you to hell. One can live on just the earth and not flesh. We choose to eat these things. As do other countrys. This has nothing to do with the size of one's brain.

If you are going to talk about crime and punishment you should really look at the complexity as a whole. Read a history book and see how people would take the "law" into there hands. We look at some of the things that they have done and cringe with horror.

Jail and the death sentece is not the answer to every crime.

There is so many other ways to teach right and wrong.

Unfortunately there are some really sick people out there and they need to be delt with.

 

[Garden Knowm]

I think you are going in many directions but only giving one answer to all of the examples.

This is a very complex world not country. What you believe is what you believe.

Every crime should have its punishment and be done by a non corrupt system. Unfortunately this will never happen. There are to many people in the world and everyone has there price.

Maybe someone thinks the crimes that you have committed deserve a harsher sentence.

The text time you eat a hamberger or stake someone in India is cursing you to hell. One can live on just the earth and not flesh. We choose to eat these things. As do other countrys. This has nothing to do with the size of one's brain.

If you are going to talk about crime and punishment you should really look at the complexity as a whole. Read a history book and see how people would take the "law" into there hands. We look at some of the things that they have done and cringe with horror.

Jail and the death sentece is not the answer to every crime.

There is so many other ways to teach right and wrong.

Unfortunately there are some really sick people out there and they need to be delt with.

FOOK OTHER PEOPLE.. FOOK INDIA... that place is a bunch of NO NOTHING PEOPLE...

PLUS I read in history class that all the INDIANS in the USA left after the US government bought there land from them for 2 bottles of whisky and a can of coke? man those Indians are stupid

ITS ALL ABOUT ME ME ME ME ME ME and my rights as a AMERICAN CITIZEN.. i have teeth that are ment to eat people.. i mean animals

And don't forget about my 20045687th amendment rights.. it says so on the constitution of the declaration of all reality.. you are just a commy liberal who doesn't know his ass from his mouth..

satanist..

iloveyou

 

[Lacy]

This is about where I stand also natmoon.
I wrote something earlier on here but deleted it because I thought it was too opinionated of 'me.'

People who commit these type of crimes sicken me to the core of my very being and I feel so emotionally raw, that I even find it difficult to comment.

I love animals and also believe that any living 'thing' that has a consciousness, has a soul. Animals don't have this derranged way of thinking. Only us humans.

They have done lots of studies and proven that the most hardened criminals have usually been abused as children, like someone else here said and since children and animals are so defenseless, they choose them.
They obviously HAVE to be sickos to do something so outrageously sickening but the system fails.

Jails don't work to reform anyone.

At the end of last year I watched a program about hardened criminals and abused animals. The only difference here is that it was the hardened criminals who cared for these animals until they were able to be adopted.

I would never in my life thought this would be a good idea BUT it was incredible. Both these hardened criminals and the dogs shared a mutual bonding that helped them immensely.

These criminals learned to feel empathy, sympathy and compassion for another living soul and it honestly was heart-warming. These poor animals learned to give and receive love without any threats of violence and these inmates learned to care for another without being judged.

If these types of programs could be implemented I think some real change would come about.

Most of us train our dogs not to bite people or fight each other for the most part anyway,apart from obviously people who put the dogs into pits,guard dogs etc.

Now all we need to do is train the humans around us that are such a mess that they gain pleasure from this to stop hating each other and other life forms.
Once we manage that they wont want to fight dogs or harm anything else.

A lot of these problems i think arise from the bible and the fact that it says that animals have no souls and some people then think that they can then do what they like to an animal as it is said to be a soulless creature and unimportant.

I do believe in Jesus but i don't believe that animals are soulless at all or many other things that are written in the bible either.

These people need to be trained and helped not killed.
I really think that they are blind to what they do because they have simply switched of because of some previous pain in their life.

I understand your emotions though and the feeling to kill someone for being so damn cruel to a defenseless being but to suggest we should kill one lower life form for killing or abusing another makes us just as bad