Vote NO on prop 19... (great read for anyone that will be voting in november in cali)
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limits were declared unconstitutional by the state supreme court. you are allowed whatever you can PROVE you need. up to 99 plants, then the feds kick your door in.
Weedoozie
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That was the last I heard but I thought they might have changed it, good to know though, thank you fdd2blk!limits were declared unconstitutional by the state supreme court. you are allowed whatever you can PROVE you need. up to 99 plants, then the feds kick your door in.
http://budtrader.com/rancho-cordova-weed-tax/
and
http://blogs.sacbee.com/weed-wars/2010/08/rancho-cordova-readies-measure-to-tax-marijuana-cultivators.html
Another city jumping on the "tax and regulate" bandwagon.
Rancho Cordova will be a "Personal Cultivation Tax" of..............Wait.......Get this............
$600 PER SQUARE FOOT! Up to 25 square foot.
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So an average Joe, who wants to grow some green at home can set up his cute little 5x5 garden, and pay ONLY $15k per year (this is NOT a one time fee, this is an annual tax)
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Tell me again how most city's will not be charging fees like Oakland? City's and county's all over CA are hard up for money right now.
It doesn't matter to these law makers that the PEOPLE of CA are hard up for money right now as well.
This is a Bill created by and for big business, and says "fuck you" to all the PEOPLE.
and
http://blogs.sacbee.com/weed-wars/2010/08/rancho-cordova-readies-measure-to-tax-marijuana-cultivators.html
Another city jumping on the "tax and regulate" bandwagon.
Rancho Cordova will be a "Personal Cultivation Tax" of..............Wait.......Get this............
$600 PER SQUARE FOOT! Up to 25 square foot.
.
So an average Joe, who wants to grow some green at home can set up his cute little 5x5 garden, and pay ONLY $15k per year (this is NOT a one time fee, this is an annual tax)
.
Tell me again how most city's will not be charging fees like Oakland? City's and county's all over CA are hard up for money right now.
It doesn't matter to these law makers that the PEOPLE of CA are hard up for money right now as well.
This is a Bill created by and for big business, and says "fuck you" to all the PEOPLE.
dtRepeat
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read the link, got about a 1/4 the way through and i didnt want to read anymore. i dont know how well this is going to work for my state, but im voting no. there are too many holes in it and too many ways to get burned. Californians can get better than this.
my question, and indeed i havent gotten a real soild answer yet, is if we vote yes and "legalize it" with all these BS guidelines, cant we just go back later and express our problems over it, rather than just say no and risk not being given another chance? Im not saying this is something im worried about, i just want to see what people say on the matter.
my question, and indeed i havent gotten a real soild answer yet, is if we vote yes and "legalize it" with all these BS guidelines, cant we just go back later and express our problems over it, rather than just say no and risk not being given another chance? Im not saying this is something im worried about, i just want to see what people say on the matter.
Dan Kone
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this is all proof that prop 19 is irrelevant when it comes to taxing cannabis.
what?
August 5, 2010
Rancho Cordova readies measure to tax marijuana cultivators
Voters in Rancho Cordova will decide in November whether to tax residents who grow their own pot.
The city measure, put on the Nov. 2 ballot by the City Council this week, would impose taxes on all local residential cultivation if California voters approve Proposition 19 to legalize recreational use.
Read more: http://blogs.sacbee.com/weed-wars/2010/08/rancho-cordova-readies-measure-to-tax-marijuana-cultivators.html#ixzz0ytKF29Op
it's DIRECTLY relevant.
Rancho Cordova readies measure to tax marijuana cultivators
Voters in Rancho Cordova will decide in November whether to tax residents who grow their own pot.
The city measure, put on the Nov. 2 ballot by the City Council this week, would impose taxes on all local residential cultivation if California voters approve Proposition 19 to legalize recreational use.
Read more: http://blogs.sacbee.com/weed-wars/2010/08/rancho-cordova-readies-measure-to-tax-marijuana-cultivators.html#ixzz0ytKF29Op
it's DIRECTLY relevant.
Dan Kone
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Those taxes go into effect reguardless of prop 19 passes or not. This is from the article you are citing as an example:
Fail. Santa Clara is taxing dispensaries right now without prop 19 as well. The idea that cities/counties somehow need permission from prop 19 to tax cannabis is pretty lol.
no one said they needed permission. you are veering.
the article i read clearly says "IF prop 19 passes". that makes it relevant. sorry if you can't see that or stay focused long enough to understand the simple point i was making.
Dan Kone
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No, I'm not veering, you're spinning. The article says the tax will kick in regardless of if prop 19 passes or not. It's not prop 19 creating this tax.
i guess that word "IF" is a hallucination to me. sorry for the misunderstanding.
carry on.
sicks string samurai
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I would not vote No, or Yes. Simply because I'll stay smoking regardless of laws. We've done it for half a decade, why change it now?
Dan Kone
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I guess "regardless of if prop 19 passes or not" is a hallucination to me. sorry for the misunderstanding.i guess that word "IF" is a hallucination to me. sorry for the misunderstanding.
carry on.
1gamma45
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Hey guys I dont wana be the one to piss anyone cornflakes but I have to point this cause it seems to be the common thred missing from all these Vote no on Prop 19 posts.
You all know you live in the U.S. right? You do all know that the U.S. is run by big buisness? That being said how much of hit were you expecting them to take? I understand and 100% support Jack and his idea of that it "should be" However lets all be up front and honest. This is the closest the U.S. has ever come to making it legal. And frankly its as close as the U.S. Government will let us get I fear. To vote no on this you will be cuting your own throat. I do not feel you will get this chance again anytime soon and to not grab this oppertunity and make the best of it is foolish.
Is it the perfect plan no. But its all you got. I would suggest getting the Prop 19 in place then working on fixing its issue reather then say F the whole thing.
I truely belive that the only way any "free person" in the U.S. will be truely free is to have the people step up and take it all back just like in 1776. Seeing as that not likely to happen maybe we shouldnt look a gift horse in the mouth.
Thanks all.
You all know you live in the U.S. right? You do all know that the U.S. is run by big buisness? That being said how much of hit were you expecting them to take? I understand and 100% support Jack and his idea of that it "should be" However lets all be up front and honest. This is the closest the U.S. has ever come to making it legal. And frankly its as close as the U.S. Government will let us get I fear. To vote no on this you will be cuting your own throat. I do not feel you will get this chance again anytime soon and to not grab this oppertunity and make the best of it is foolish.
Is it the perfect plan no. But its all you got. I would suggest getting the Prop 19 in place then working on fixing its issue reather then say F the whole thing.
I truely belive that the only way any "free person" in the U.S. will be truely free is to have the people step up and take it all back just like in 1776. Seeing as that not likely to happen maybe we shouldnt look a gift horse in the mouth.
Thanks all.
Weedoozie
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It could happen...we just need to get the ball rolling and stop being the lazy stereotypes every one makes stoners' out to be. Although, I personally cannot decide which would be more difficult: try to fix this prop19 law if it passes or F the whole thing and make another? It seems like a LOT of money was spent to get it on the ballot in the first place. I'm not sure anyone would do that unless they were making some sort of profit off of it which is exactly the case for Richard Lee. So what do we think...anyone else here a millionaire willing to invest $$$ to get a better prop out there? Will some one please stand up?
If no one does, I guess you're right, this is the only option in the foreseeable future...
Dan Kone
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That is correct. We are taking about spending millions of dollars here. No one is willing to spend the kind of money it takes to end prohibition unless they see a personal financial benefit out of it. And most (not all, but most) of the not lazy stoners support prop 19 because with some hard work, they can make prop 19 work for them in a major way.It could happen...we just need to get the ball rolling and stop being the lazy stereotypes every one makes stoners' out to be. Although, I personally cannot decide which would be more difficult: try to fix this prop19 law if it passes or F the whole thing and make another? It seems like a LOT of money was spent to get it on the ballot in the first place. I'm not sure anyone would do that unless they were making some sort of profit off of it which is exactly the case for Richard Lee. So what do we think...anyone else here a millionaire willing to invest $$$ to get a better prop out there? Will some one please stand up?
If no one does, I guess you're right, this is the only option in the foreseeable future...
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