Nutrient Recipes

fatman7574

fatman7574

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Please post all questions, replies and opinions and requests in the Lucas Recipe From Scratch thread so as to leave this thread for recipes only. Thank you. I will respond to no replies posted in this thread.

https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/268790-lucas-formula-recipe-scratch-really.html




*otanicare CNS17
Coco and Soil Grow


ppm

Nitrogen 268
Phosphorus 89
Potassium 179
Magnesium 32
Calcium 315
Sulfur 43
Iron 10.00
Manganese 5.00
Boron 5.00
Zinc 5.00
Copper 1.00
Molbdnum 0.09

Ounces

Part A

Calcium Nitrate 20.8
Potassium Nitrate 1.2
Iron Chelate 1.35


Part B

Potassium Nitrate B 1.2
MonoPotassium Phosphate 5.6
Magnesium Sulfate 4.3
Manganese Sulfate .269
Boric Acid / Solubor .368
Zinc Sulfate .291
Copper Sulfate .059
Ammonium Molybdate .002

Volume of Stock Solutions 1
Dilution Rate 100
TDS 1596
EC 2.3
pH 5.8

*otanicare CNS17
Coco and Soil Bloom

ppm

Nitrogen 200
Phosphorus 200
Potassium 300
Magnesium 50
Calcium 231
Sulfur 66
Iron 10.00
Manganese 5.00
Boron 5.00
Zinc 5.00
Copper 1.00
Ounces
Part A
Calcium Nitrate 15.3
Potassium Nitrate 1.0
Iron Chelate 1.35

Part B
Potassium Nitrate B 1.0
MonoPotassium Phosphate 12.6
Magnesium Sulfate 6.7
Manganese Sulfate .269
Boric Acid / Solubor .368
Zinc Sulfate .291
Copper Sulfate .059
Ammonium Molybdate .002
Volume of Stock Solution 1
Dilution Rate 100
EC 2.3
TDS 1596
ph 5.5

*utch Masters Liquid Light

ppm

Nitrogen 15
Phosphorus 110
Potassium 269
Magnesium 29
Calcium 5
Sulfur 38
Iron .30
Zinc .30

Ounces

Potassium Nitrate 4.8
Calcium Chloride .2
Iron Chelate .04
MonoPotassium Phosphate 6.9
Magnesium Sulfate 3.9
Zinc Sulfate .017

Volume of Stock Solutions 1
Dilution Rate 100
Total Fertilizer Salt Weight 16.01 ounces

fatman's Bloom Drain to Waste

Nitrogen 400
Phosphorus 100
Potassium 449
Magnesium 50
Calcium 125
Sulfur 66
Iron 10.00
Manganese 5.00
Boron 5.00
Zinc 5.00
Copper 1.00
Molybdenum .09

Ounces

Part A

Calcium Nitrate 8.3
Potassium Nitrate 7.6
Ammonium Nitrate 4.4
Iron Chelate 1.35


Part B

Potassium Nitrate 7.6
MonoPotassium Phosphate .1
Magnesium Sulfate 6.7
MonoAmmonium Phosphate 6.0
Manganese Sulfate .269
Boric Acid / Solubor .368
Zinc Sulfate .291
Copper Sulfate .059
Ammonium Molybdate .002

Volume of Stock Solutions 1
Dilution Rate 100
EC 2.37
TDS 1650
Salt weight 3244 mg/L

fatman's Veg Recirculation

ppm

Nitrogen 267
Phosphorus 82
Potassium 291
Magnesium 93
Calcium 261
Sulfur 123
Iron 10.00
Manganese 5.00
Boron 5.00
Zinc 5.00
Copper 1.00
Molybdenum .03

Ounces

Part A

Calcium Nitrate 17.3
Potassium Nitrate 3.3
Iron Chelate 1.35

PART B

Potassium Nitrate 3.3
MonoPotassium Phosphate 5.2
Magnesium Sulfate 12.6
Manganese Sulfate .269
Boric Acid / Solubor .368
Zinc Sulfate .291
Copper Sulfate .059
Ammonium Molybdate .001

Volume of Stock Solutions 1 Gallon Each of Part A and Part B
Dilution Rate

fatmans's Bloom Recirculation 05-24-2010

ppm

Nitrogen 293
Phosphorus 80
Potassium 350
Magnesium 91
Calcium 268
Sulfur 120
Iron 10.00
Manganese 5.00
Boron 5.00
Zinc 5.00
Copper 1.00
Molybdenum .0009


Ounces

Part A

Calcium Nitrate 17.7
Potassium Nitrate 4.3
Iron Chelate 1.35


Part B

Potassium Nitrate 4.3
MonoPotassium Phosphate5.0
Magnesium Sulfate12.2
Manganese Sulfate .269
Boric Acid / Solubor .368
Zinc Sulfate .291
Copper Sulfate .059
Ammonium Molybdate .013

Volume of Stock Solutions 1 Gallon each of Part A and Part B
Dilution Rate 100

Standard mj micro mix 2500 to 1

ppm

Iron 10.00
Manganese 5.00
Boron 5.00
Zinc 5.00
Copper 1.00
Molybdenum .09

Ounces

Part A
Iron Chelate 33.75


Part B

Manganese Sulfate 6.723
Boric Acid / Solubor 9.188
Zinc Sulfate 7.285
Copper Sulfate 1.470
Ammonium Molybdate .061 = 1.71 grams

Volume of Stock Solutions 1
Dilution Rate 2500
 
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LJB

Active Member
I can't believe you guys banned this poster.

By the way, it looks he quit uk420.com too.
 
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Atomizer

Well-Known Member
he was kicked out ;)

For a Mathematician and Chemist he makes a lot of errors, i`ve corrected him on simple math issues.
I`m no chemist either but i know enough that the 4.8oz/100gal potassium nitrate stated in his Liquid Light formula above will not result in 15ppm of N, its more like 3x that amount.
 
nog

nog

Active Member
hes a clever guy, can be rude because he dosnt suffer fools gladly, but he is spot on about AN etc shafting growers with fancy claims about bog standard nute formulas. shame if hes banned, ide rather read his posts that some 14yr old asking what is the strongest strain of weed, or like on another site some arsehole posting a video of a tatooed nobhead biting the face of some nerd with a stick, and the mods allowing it, on a site about growing pot,ffs. no doubt fatman will surface on some site somewhere, unless big mikes assassins dont get to him first, lol.
 
nog

nog

Active Member
oh by the way, does anyone know where i can get ammonium molybdate in smallish (1kg would be loads) amounts?
 
Cabron1

Cabron1

Member
I can't even begin to express the relief the HP aero thread was for me..
I really appreciate TreeFarmer,Atomizer and most of all Fatman's input and
shared knowledge.

Atomizer ,I like ya bro but I really wish like hell that you could have avoided
instigating what went on to end that thread..

It truly broke my heart to see it closed...T
Threads like that one are such an asset to a forum like this that it is worth
$$ to this site imho...nevermind the Idiot Sherryberry I was ill every time that
moron posted as well..

Fatman if you come across this please contact me...

Much Respect for that gentleman!
 
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Hill0046

Active Member
Fatman I found your stuff late and I am so damn pissed they banned you. If you are active on another site please send me a pm and tell me where.
Thanks for trying
 
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blank85

Member
Anyone used Fatmans Bloom Drain to waste formula?

I need to talk to the guy but every site bans him cause they cant handle his personality. (wimps)

Any info would be greatly appreciated.

Im currently using GHE 3 part in soiless mix (coco/verm/perl)
 
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drewbot

Member
Can someone help resurrect and perhaps initiate a recipe consolidation? I've been around the boards and I've seen some commercial product recipes done by people who I believe may not know what they're doing. I downloaded the "hydrobuddy" which isn't doing me any good. I like the idea (linear regression)- it will be necessary for complex formulations. I have been cranking a few formulas out by hand and I would like some backup on them.

So I just found my friend's bottle of Cutting Edge "Grow" 2-1-6 and cranked it out. Took 10 minutes:

To 4L of concentrate
KNO3 117.36g
K2CO3 236.84g
*Assume "Magnesium Phosphae" is "Dimagnesium Phosphate" derived from:
H3PO4 Conc. 85% W/W 64.894g
MgO 22.68g

Sadly the computer can't make the observations as to what raw materials are available and cheap, so I had to do that. Also you have to mix it in the right order obviously. If I do the math correctly the cost is silly cheap. I picked supplement powders and specialty chemicals that I could get shipped on ebay and it still only runs $2.55 per 4L of concentrate instead of $28. If I went with the 50 pound farm salts I would guess that the entire cost is essentially the K2CO3 as carbonates tend to be pretty expensive.

Anyway if someone wants to back me up on this stuff I'd like to go through the entire hydro lines. I don't fully understand where the ammonical nitrogen is coming from which is listed on the bottle. If it is from the KNO3 then I think I slightly underestimated the KNO3 and thus overestimated the K2CO3 (but not by much). The upshot would be a disastrous 1.8-1-6.25 or so
 
GreenThumbSucker

GreenThumbSucker

Well-Known Member
drewbot said:
Can someone help resurrect and perhaps initiate a recipe consolidation? I've been around the boards and I've seen some commercial product recipes done by people who I believe may not know what they're doing. I downloaded the "hydrobuddy" which isn't doing me any good. I like the idea (linear regression)- it will be necessary for complex formulations. I have been cranking a few formulas out by hand and I would like some backup on them.

So I just found my friend's bottle of Cutting Edge "Grow" 2-1-6 and cranked it out. Took 10 minutes:

To 4L of concentrate
KNO3 117.36g
K2CO3 236.84g
*Assume "Magnesium Phosphae" is "Dimagnesium Phosphate" derived from:
H3PO4 Conc. 85% W/W 64.894g
MgO 22.68g

Sadly the computer can't make the observations as to what raw materials are available and cheap, so I had to do that. Also you have to mix it in the right order obviously. If I do the math correctly the cost is silly cheap. I picked supplement powders and specialty chemicals that I could get shipped on ebay and it still only runs $2.55 per 4L of concentrate instead of $28. If I went with the 50 pound farm salts I would guess that the entire cost is essentially the K2CO3 as carbonates tend to be pretty expensive.

Anyway if someone wants to back me up on this stuff I'd like to go through the entire hydro lines. I don't fully understand where the ammonical nitrogen is coming from which is listed on the bottle. If it is from the KNO3 then I think I slightly underestimated the KNO3 and thus overestimated the K2CO3 (but not by much). The upshot would be a disastrous 1.8-1-6.25 or so
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Fatman used expensive programs that are used in the greenhouse industry and academia for formulating nutrient recipes from available raw fertilizer components.

Fatman was banned in part because of his ascerbic personality, but more so because the fertilizer companies felt threatened by him. He was on a mission to expose them for the snake oil they pushed on marijuana growers and the huge amounts of money they were making with their overpriced fertilizer fomulas. I suspect some of the companies, particularily AN, were paying websites to ban him. I have seen him banned on websites for posting system designs and methods of growing because they were "too complicated and confusing" for newbie growers. That is the lamest excuse possible. I wonder how much Big Mike paid them to do that.

Even though he was effectively pushed out of the online marijuana growing world, he accomplished what he set out to do. I have gleaned vast amounts of useful information from his writings.

I have been using his lucas formula from scratch recipe for a couple years now, with stunning results. I plan on using his 'drain to waste bloom' recipe for my next grow in my high pressure drain to waste aero setup that I am in the process of building.

Thanks for resurrecting this thread!

GTS
 
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oxanaca

Well-Known Member
Hey I know im bringing back the dead but I had to. Cause people still read this and it sucks.

initially learned raw salts from this guy. having made my own fertilizer for several years now I can say these recipes are fucked up. Hes no genius just an attention whore, with bad info.
250-400ppm N. Are u kidding me 150ppm should be max.

And his micro concentrations damn. I run 0.1gram/gal peters stem with .075/gal sprint330 FeDTPA. So
4.6ppm fe
0.35 b
2.1 mn
1.18 zn
0.01 mn
0.6 cu
 
Quasar Jones

Quasar Jones

Member
oxanaca said:
Hey I know im bringing back the dead but I had to. Cause people still read this and it sucks.

initially learned raw salts from this guy. having made my own fertilizer for several years now I can say these recipes are fucked up. Hes no genius just an attention whore, with bad info.
250-400ppm N. Are u kidding me 150ppm should be max.

And his micro concentrations damn. I run 0.1gram/gal peters stem with .075/gal sprint330 FeDTPA. So
4.6ppm fe
0.35 b
2.1 mn
1.18 zn
0.01 mn
0.6 cu
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I'm pretty sure Fatman's formulas were for 100x concentration, but in the original thread, he said he would never use them that strong, and suggested diluting to 200x to 300x for actual use in aero.

fatman7574 said:
The fertilizer makes 2.65 gallons of Part A and 2.65 gallons of part B that at a 100 to 1 concentration when mixed 1/2 part Part A and 1/2 Part Part B to 100 gallons of water IE 1 to 100 produces the ppm's listed. What I later recommended is that you use it at one half that strength. This means it will actually make up 1000 gallons diluted rather than 500 gallons. You can just dilute it to 5 gallons of each when first mixing it but the ppm when then diluted at 1/2 part Part A and 1/2 Part Part B to 100 gallons of water would produce a ppm of half that as listed.

Hopefully you will by PM to be willing to share a link to the site where you have ordered your salt mixed. I am sure many growers would love that link. There are many places in the U.S. and Europe that will custom mix nutrients to order. I am sure that is also the case in Canada. Basically you just need to supply the nutrient formulation percentages or ppm of the nutrients and the concentration you desire. There are govermnet registry sites in Californoia, Washington and Florida that post the information on AN, GH, Canna, Botanicare, Hun=mbolt and many other Mj specifin utrients. However they do not analyze for supplements such as amino acids, vitamins, humus, kelp etc.

there is realy no reason to pay the outrageous prices for mj specific fertilizers from places like AN, GH, Botanicare, Canna, Humbolt etc as they can be bought custom mixed for much, much less or custom mixed by your self for even less then that.
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Atomizer

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Stock solutions dont work like that :) If you need a stock to provide say 0.5ppm of something when diluted, you dont make one that delivers 5ppm after dilution and then dilute it again. The stated dilution rate is 100, so the concentrations given in the recipe although ridiculously strong are accurate or he would have put something other than 100 ;)
 
Quasar Jones

Quasar Jones

Member
Atomizer said:
Stock solutions dont work like that :) If you need a stock to provide say 0.5ppm of something when diluted, you dont make one that delivers 5ppm after dilution and then dilute it again. The stated dilution rate is 100, so the concentrations given in the recipe although ridiculously strong are accurate or he would have put something other than 100 ;)
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Can you share what you use, maybe by pm? I guess if you won't put it on here publicly, then you'd have no reason to give it me.

If you can't share recipe, could you at least share target ppm of all the diff elements?

I feel like an archeologist, combing through ancient dusty books found in a cave.
 
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