please help! can potency be different from grow to grow

[bobman]

I am growing ak47 from serious, and I must say I am not impressed at all. I have one last pheno I hope will be special. Here is my question. When I placed my first round of clones, from this pheno, into flower I believe i gave them to much nitrogen(veg nutes for the first couple of waterings). This pheno did not react well to the excess nitrogen. They did not start to flower until day 45 and there was some weird leaf growth at the top of the plant. Overall the plants have been healthy and green and have good trich development but the last few weeks have taken a toll on them because they have gone so long. They are at 103 days and the trichs are mostly cloudy. Well, I just smoked the nicest sample I could find right off the plant without drying and it did not do a thing to me.

I also have the next round of clones from this pheno in flower at 35 days. I switched to flowering nutes right from the start. These plants look very good and normal so far. I think they will be done in five weeks or around 70 days

Is there a chance these plants will be more potent? The first round of clones were messed up and they are just limping to the end(lost all there fan leaves a few weeks ago) but from my experience good genetics shine through even when there is a hiccup.

 

[homebrewer]

The better you treat your plants, the more potent they will be, to an extent. I've found AK47 to be on the sensitive side when it comes to nutes so be careful not to overfeed. Post some pictures of your grow if you can as it sounds like the issue lies more with you than the seeds. AK47 shouldn't go more than 70 days and even my worst pheno still packed a noticeably stronger punch than your 'average' top shelf product.

 

[bobman]

here r the 4 best pictures i could find they are from day 45 and 78. i have narrowed it down to to much nitrogen in early flower because the same pheno at 35 days looks like a normal plant.

 

[homebrewer]

So you mentioned something about clones from a pheno. Do you have multiple AK47 mother plants? Or are you growing out one seed, sexing it, then cloning if it's a female? The reason I'm asking is because I have a pheno that looks JUST like this. This wasn't the plant I selected for my own mother, but this is just how that pheno is growing. Lots of single bladed leaves, skimpy, air buds and the structure is identical to yours.

 

[bobman]

Since i cut the nitrogen in early flower to the 2nd group of this pheno they all look totally normal. I do not have a picture but just imagine a normal plant at 35 days. I do not expect much from this first group but I have high hopes for the second. yes i do have multiple mothers this is just the last one to be finished. I started with two packs of seeds from 2 different vendors and talk about diversity. No 2 plants r anything alike. They look different they smell different. I started with 4 potential mothers one was a heavy indica with big floppy leaves and smells like skunky puppy breath, one leans a little indica and smells like ripening fruit, one leans a little more sativa and smells different all the time,and then there is this one which smells like candy or a spring day when the air is sweet with all the blooming flowers. this pheno was the prettiest and strongest grower throughout veg. The other three have not been two impressive in the potency department or the smell department after dried.

 

[homebrewer]

Which vendors? I bought my Serious Seeds AK47 through seedboutique and my plants were generally very uniform, except for this one of course. I also found 4/7 females to have a very strong grapefruit smell where the others were indistinguishable. The majority of my beans definitely had similar characteristics but the possibility of a crappy pheno (pictured above) is always there. Hopefully your others moms produce a better product.

 

[bobman]

either seedboutique or attitude and I got 5 seeds from single seed centre. you would be amazed if you saw this same pheno at 35 days. i will try to take a picture at lights on to show the difference. This pheno may be my only hope as the other pheno's just have not cut it so far. I am still working with all the mothers to see if they can be improved. There are a few strains out there that are suggested that you run them a few times to get the full picture, that the quality will be improved after a couple of generations. I think shanti recommends doing this with a few mr. nice strains.

 

[Heathro]

ive cloned plants in flower n they grow weird n look sorta like that if they havnt fully reveggd

 

[homebrewer]

ive cloned plants in flower n they grow weird n look sorta like that if they havnt fully reveggd

This sounds familiar. I didn't clone a flowering plant but I did have some autoflowering genetics in my pack too. This may be that pheno now that I think about it. Your mom doesn't look like she wants to flower does she?

I think regardless of the actual issue, the mom needs chopped as her off spring are lack luster. I'm keeping an eye on the two that I have right now and if they don't shape up soon, I'm going to cut my losses and throw then out.

 

[bobman]

Out of the 12 seedlings that made it (7 from attitude or seed boutique and all 5 from single seed centre) 9 auto'd on me. Out of my four potential mothers 2 were auto's that I was able to reverse and 2 did not auto. This plant is one of the plants that did not auto on me.

 

[bobman]

same pheno at 35 days

 

[homebrewer]

That is certainly odd. The mom I kept produces plants like the one you just posted, and the other pheno is the single bladed mutant plant. I wish I had an answer for you. Hopefully that mom yields more plants like you posted above and less of the odd ones.