Drug Test - Do NOT Use Synthetic Urine - I Just Got "Invalid Test" From Using It!!!

GanjaGood!

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ganjaluvr

Well-Known Member
ehhhh... yeah. That wasn't a good idea on your part. :|

who told you that it would work?? I'd like to smack that person upside his/her head.

You'd be better off trying to use piss from a dog or cat.. or a squirrel even. LOL..

anyhow.. better luck next time!

peace.
 

motoracer110

Well-Known Member
ya thats a bad day bro. sorry that happened. all you can do now is call your friends for some urin, smoke a bowl, and hope for the best bongsmilie
 

deprave

New Member
I use syntetic one called quickfix works everytime - but I here some test can detect it and apparently your test is one of them
 

Relaxed

Well-Known Member
How was the temp? That will Invalidate it as well. Bet they don't tell you why it's invalid? Sorry...bummer.
 

deprave

New Member
The best thing to do if your in a medical state: Talk to an MJ DOCTOR or your doctor and get a prescription for marinol..
 

smoke and coke

Well-Known Member
ehhhh... yeah. That wasn't a good idea on your part. :|

who told you that it would work?? I'd like to smack that person upside his/her head.

You'd be better off trying to use piss from a dog or cat.. or a squirrel even. LOL..

anyhow.. better luck next time!

peace.
i tried with a squirrel once but just couldnt get him to go. must have had stage fright from me watching him.

they have different types of tests and depending on what type they use will determine what you need to do to pass. im no expert on this but its hardest to beat a drug screenining versus the drug test.
ive been clean now for just over a month and i cant wait to test this years crop. sux to burp the jars and smell all the goodness and not be able to test a sample. but once i find a job, look out!!
 

deprave

New Member
What do they use Marinol for ?
The same things people get medical marijuana for, it is thc in pill form, it will show as false positive on a drug test for marijuana 100% of the time, it is a legal prescription drug so your job can not give grief if your doctor ordered you to take it.

There is also in the neighborhood of 30 some drugs that can show false postive for marijuana including OTC meds like Aleve...when I take a drug test I always write that I take aleve lol
 

howhighru

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damn good thread. i just happen to have some synthetic pee. that shit isnt cheap either. havent had to use it yet but glad to know that it doesnt work all the time. even tho this chick @ a casino i worked at used it and passed with flying colors. maybe there are different thc tests that companies use?
 

ganja girl

New Member
Thanks, I didn't know about Marinol and I most certainly didn't know about Aleve. GG

The same things people get medical marijuana for, it is thc in pill form, it will show as false positive on a drug test for marijuana 100% of the time, it is a legal prescription drug so your job can not give grief if your doctor ordered you to take it.

There is also in the neighborhood of 30 some drugs that can show false postive for marijuana including OTC meds like Aleve...when I take a drug test I always write that I take aleve lol
 

redivider

Well-Known Member
you're screwed because you used synthetic urine. look at this:

I worked in the field of mental health for 25+ years, and came
to have a great appreciation for the invaluable role played by
the nurses with whom I worked, so I understand your shock and
dismay with this unpleasant situation casting doubts upon your
integrity.


First, let me address the substances which might be causing
false positives, though nothing you've named seems suspect.
Vanilla Spice Chai creamer seems very unlikely, and a search
for coffee in relation to a false positive turns up only this
one, unexplained cautionary note from Drug Testing 101:

"Drinking plenty of water and juices helps rid the body of
impurities. Stay away from coffee, tea and carbonated
beverages if possible. Also refrain from drinking alcohol.
While alcohol is being metabolized the body does little
else in the way of processing other foods and ingestibles,
preferring to concentrate on the alcohol because it is an
extremely rich source of energy and sugars. In other words,
consuming alcohol slows the body's process of clearing
itself of other impurities."
Much more information on the page:
http://www.deltabravo.net/custody/drugtest.php

Ibuprofen has been known to cause false positives for THC, the
active ingredient in marijuana, but not for amphetamines.


From the LegalMatch website:
"Medications that contain ephedrine or phenypropanolamine, such
as nasal sprays or diet products, could cause a false positive
for amphetamines."
http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/failing-a-drug-test.html


From the NYU Medical Center:
"...remember that liver problems, kidney problems, or diabetes
may cause a false-positive for amphetamines..."
http://www.med.nyu.edu/patientcare/patients/library/article.html?ChunkIID=13837


From the AskDocWeb site:
"Can Fioricet cause a false positive for amphetamines?"

"Yes it can, it is a barbiturate."

and, finally, the motherlode...

"The chances of you getting a false positive depends on the
quality of the laboratory that does the testing. There seems
to be about 1,200 of these labs in the United States currently
testing for drugs. Less than a 100 of these meet federal
standards and most of the individual states do not regulate
drug test labs. The number of false positives returned range
from 4% to over 50%, depending on the lab.

A concern here is that, if your company tests for drug useage,
they are probably not required to use a certified drug testing
lab, which means you have a greater chance of getting a false
positive.

Listed below are all the substances, that we found, that can
cause a false positive drug test result. With your help, this
will grow into a comprehensive list.

Substances that cause false positives [not just for amphetamines]

Accutrim
Advil
Afrin
Aleve
Allerest
Amfepramone
Amifepramone
Amineptine
Amoxicillin - False positives for cocaine
Ampicillin
Ampicin
Anti-anxiety pills - Many will test positive for Benzodiazepines
Antibiotics - False positives on Heroin Tests
Asthma medications (Marax, Bronkaid tablets, Primatine Tablets)
B2 vitamin
Benzphetamine
Blue Lettuce
Bronkaid tablets
California Poppy
Cathne
Chloropromazine
Clobenzorex
Contac
Contact
Cough medicines - See if any ingredients are on this list
Cough suppressants with Dextromethorphan (DXM)
Cylert
Demerol
Deprenyl
Desoxyephedrine
Dexatrim
Dexdenfluramine
Dexedrine
Dexfenfluramine
Dextroamphetamine
Dextromethorophan
Diabetes
Diazepam (generic name for valium)
Diazepam False positives for PCP
Didrex
Dilantin
Dimetapp
Dristan Nasal Spray
Dronabinol (Marinol)
Elavil - False positives for opiates for up to three days
Eldepryl
Emprin
Ephedra (Ma Haung)
Ephedrine
Ephedrine based compounds
Etafediabe
Excedrin IB
Famprofazone
Fenelylline
Fenfluramine
Fenproyorex
Fioricet and derivatives
Fiorinal
Fluspirilene
Hempseed Oil
Hydroymethamphetamine
Ibuprofen - False positives for Marijuana
Ketoprofen
Kidney disease
Kidney infection
Lettuce - Both Prickly and Blue
Liver disease
Liver infection
Lodine
Lortab - an opioid analgesic
Ma Huang
Marax
Matilija Poppy
Mefenorex
Menstrual cramp medications like Midol and Trendar
Mephentermine
Mesocarb
Methoxyphenamine
Methphenidate
Midol
Mini-thins
Morazone
Mormon Tea
Most prescription pain medications
Motrin
Naproxen
Nasal decongestants - False positives for Amphetamines
Neosynephren
Nuprin
Nyquil
Nyquil Nighttime Cold Medicine - False positives for Methadone up to 2 days
Orudis KT
OTC diet aids with phenylpropanolamine (Dexatrim, Accutrim)
Over-the-counter nasal sprays (Vicks inhaler, Afrin)
Pamprin
Pemoline
Percocet
Percodan
Percovil
Phendimetrazine
Phenegan-D
Phenergan
Phenmetrazine
Phenobarbital
Phentermine
Phenylephrine
Phenylpropanolamine
Pholedrine
Pnenypropanolamine
Poppy seeds
Prescription sleeping pills
Prickly Lettuce
Prickly Poppy
Primatene-M containing perylamine
Primatine Tablets
Promethazine
Promethegan
Propanolamine
Propylephedrine
Pseudo ephedrine
Pseudoephedrine
Quinine water - False positives for opiates
Red Poppy
Redux
Riboflavin
Ritalin
Robitussin Cold and Flu
Selegiline
Sudafed
Tavist-D
Telectin
Tonic water
Trendar
Tylenol Sinus
Tylenol with codeine
Valium
Vicks Formula 44M containing Dextromethorphan
Vicks inhaler
Vicks Nasal Spray
Vicks Nyquil
Vitamin B2
Wygesic "
[note the mention of vitamin B2]
http://www.askdocweb.com/falsepositives.html


From the Phentermine Forum:

"Phentermine can cause a false positive for amphetamines on some
drug test. These are urine test."
http://www.phentermine.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/38/964.html


From RxList.com:

"I do not and have not done illegal drugs however I have tested
positive for amphetamines.The only medication I am on is 300mg
wellbutrin per day."
http://www.rxlist.com/rxboard/wellbutrin.pl?noframes;read=743


From Erowid.org:

"I tested positive for amphetamines after taking DXM a couple days
before."
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=16085

"Dextromethorphan hydrobromide (DXM for short) is an antitussive
drug that is found in many over-the-counter cold remedies and
cough syrups."
://www.google.com/search?q=define%3ADXM


From an article by Anthony D. Crane about drug testing in prison:

"FENOPROFIN (active ingredient--Nalfon) tested positive for Marijuana,
Amphetamines, Barbiturates, and Methaqual one."

[...]

"PHENYLPROPAN-OLAMINE (active ingredients--Actifed, Alka-Seltzer,
Alka-Selzer Plus, Allerest, Caldecon, Contac, Dietac, Dimetapp,
4-Way Nasal Spray, Ortain, Sinarest, Triaminicin) tested positive
for Amphetamines."
http://sonic.net/~doretk/Issues/00-03-SPR/prison.html



I think that pretty well covers substances which might cause a
false positive. What remains is what to do. The following article
on Issues notes that:

"A number of organizations have submitted proof as to the
inaccuracies of drug testing. Drugfreeschools.com indicates
that the low cost, easy to administer tests often produce both
false-positive and false negative results, and that all positive
results should be backed up by the more accurate Gas Chromatograph
/Mass Spectrometry (GC/MS) test. The sad fact is, everyone seems
to be under the scrutiny of drug testing even though the medical
field realizes that these test may be inaccurate. The American
Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) has fought the issue of drug testing
for years, on both the merit of drug tests as well as violation
of individual civil rights, still their challenge has remained
unheard. An article by Intuitor.com offers a statistical insight
into what percentage of innocent people have incorrectly been
identified as drug users as a result of inaccurate drug tests,
which leads us to believe that in America, where drug testing
is concerned, we are guilty until proven innocent."
http://issuesny.tripod.com/home/id47.html

The article on Intuitor.com notes:

"The population of people identified as drug users consists of
individuals who actually are drug users (1.98% of the employees
tested) and incorrectly identified individuals who actually are
not drug users (0.98% of the employees tested). The percentage
of people identified as drug users who are actually innocent
can be calculated as follows:

Pinnocent = Pcw /( Pcw +Pdr )

= (0.98%) /(0.98% + 1.98%)

= .331 or 33.1%

The wild eyed claim that a third of all people accused of drug
use will be innocent is not so ridiculous after all."
http://www.intuitor.com/statistics/BadTestResults.html


And, from the first link I gave, at LegalMatch:

"An employment lawyer can help an employee who has not been hired,
who was fired, or who has been denied benefits because of a false
positive drug test result. If you believe your drug test produced
a false positive result, an experienced employment attorney can
help protect your rights."
http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/failing-a-drug-test.html


As for the reliability of the GC/MS, it identifies the metabolites
of the substance in question. If the metabolites are identical, as
noted in this excellent article on 'drug testing accuracy and
standards', even the GC/MS has been said to show a false positive
for marijuana due to Ibuprofen use:

"3.2.1 Ibuprofen: Ibuprofen is a common pain reliever that (even
in low dosages) used to cause a false THC positive on the EMIT
test. The EMIT has been changed to use a different enzyme to
eliminate false positives due to Ibuprofen. Ibuprofen in very
high doses will still interfere with both the EMIT and the GC/MS.
There is some conflicting data here because some sources say that
the GC/MS tests can distinguish between Ibuprofen and THC (as well
as other over-the-counter drugs)."

On the other hand, it can distinguish between poppy seeds and opium:

"Although poppy seeds have the same metabolites as opium, these
metabolites are shown to have different patterns when viewed
with the GC/MS."

The page also has extensive information about the relative accuracy
and standards of different labs, asserting that only the ones that
are certified by the NIDA or CAP are accurate:

"NIDA (The National Institute of Drug Abuse) is the government
organization responsible for regulating the drug-testing industry.
The vast majority of urine drug screens done these days conform
to NIDA specs, and ALL testing associated with the government
(department of transportation, etc.) complies with the NIDA
standard. It is NIDA that decides what the "safe" cutoffs are
to avoid false positives..."

[...]

"CAP (College of American Pathologists) also certifies
laboratories the way NIDA does. NIDA keeps it's labs in
check by sending positive and negative double-blind samples.
Lab personnel does not know what samples came from NIDA. If
the lab results are wrong, NIDA may take away the lab's
certification. Only labs that perform the GC/MS on site
can be NIDA certified. Labs that send samples to another
laboratory for GC/MS confirmation are ineligible for NIDA
certification."
http://www.neonjoint.com/passing_a_drug_test/test_standards_and_accuracy.html


So, other than insisting that another test be conducted by one of
the ~100 labs that meets federal standards for drug testing (which
suggestion could be turned down by a prospective employer), it
comes down to the fact that employers are essentially free to act
on the information provided by the tests, especially if they do
a second one in the form of a GC/MS, and seeking legal assistance
may be your only recourse, should you deem it worthwhile.

Being that nurses are in great demand, it shouldn't be difficult
to obtain employment elsewhere, and the results of a failed test
from an employer who subsequently declines to hire you should not
be made available to any other agencies without a release of
information on your part.

Beyond that, it would seem prudent to familiarize yourself with the
recommendations on the Drug Testing 101 page, regarding strategies
to decrease the likelihood of a false positive in any future tests
with potential employers.

Please post a Request for Clarification if you have any questions.

sublime1-ga


Additional information may be found from further exploration
of the links provided above, as well as those resulting from
the Google searches outlined below.

Searches done, via Google:

"cause a false positive for amphetamines"
://www.google.com/search?q=%22cause+a+false+positive+for+amphetamines%22

"tested positive for amphetamines"
://www.google.com/search?q=%22tested+positive+for+amphetamines%22

coffee "false positive for amphetamines"
://www.google.com/search?q=coffee+%22false+positive+for+amphetamines%22

GC/MS testing
://www.google.com/search?q=GC%2FMS+testing
i know it's a lot to read but it's interesting. didn't know there's so many substances that cause false positives. there's been studies providing statistical links n shit....

SOURCE: GOOGLE ANSWERS. http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview/id/784817.html
 

Relaxed

Well-Known Member
damn good thread. i just happen to have some synthetic pee. that shit isnt cheap either. havent had to use it yet but glad to know that it doesnt work all the time. even tho this chick @ a casino i worked at used it and passed with flying colors. maybe there are different thc tests that companies use?
Don't believe all you hear. I've heard from a direct source close friend it does work and pass year 2010...fyi
 

1mikej

Well-Known Member
your temp was low or your fake piss was older than a year. i have used it for 4 years now 2 diferent brands a dozen times at a different clinic each time. their is a video on u-tube where a reporter take fake piss to a lab to find out what it is, the tech said it comes up as urin and he know from the start it was a test to see if the fake piss can trick him. he said it passes. only way to tell if its fake is if the test it for dna.
 

1mikej

Well-Known Member
after noticing your so new and you put up a link to a company that sells real piss for testing i cant help but feel you might not be honest with use, basically i wonder if you are part of that company trying to start a rumor to help your company profit. i will take that statement back if you prove me wrong, but until others we all know fail and back you up i say bullshit to you. i have witnessed with my own eyes 5 friends i work and smoke with pass within the last year alone. my buddy sitting here with with me says you if you are telling the truth you failed the minute you walked out of bathroom and handed luke warm piss to nurse. she wont say you failed there they will act as if alls well
 

rene112388

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I have used synthetic urine in labs (us healthworks) to pass my ua the the first time it was too cold has to retest they explained to me about the temp... Every other time it has worked I've got 6 different jobs like this works just fine for me
 

doc111

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Man, I've used synthetic piss at least a half a dozen times myself and have passed every single one of 'em!;-)
 

CaNNaBiZ CaNucK

Well-Known Member
Wow. Are most of you from the US? I hear testing is a very big business down there. Here in Canada, I have never had to take a drug test for an occupation, ever. And I have had many different jobs over the years. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure it happens in Canada, but man, it's so rampant in the US.

I don't get it.. why are all these companies persecuting marijuana smokers? Most other drugs are gone from your system in a few days, whereas MJ sticks around for a month. Doesn't make any sense. I feel for all you people having to go through this. It must be humiliating to test positive.
 
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