Hydroponic aint that damn hard ppl!!

Shanus

Active Member
Okay okay. There's a million posts on hydroponic vs soil. Im not even going to get into that debate. This thread is started because im really tired of people being so intimidated by hydroponic growing. I too started in soil and had failures and success. Then I took the plunge and went hydro. More success less failure. My success rate is increasing, but so has my knowledge and investment. So, i wont base yield comparing success between the two either. This is simply my attempt to get people to quit fearing the hydro!!

SOIL:
My first few grows (ever), where pretty much fail. I didnt have enough light, didnt know shit about watering or nutes. Im still a noob, but finally I got a decent crop from some soil and organic nutes. The entire grow I was abusing the plant with shitty watering techniques. I also had a hell of a time figuring out how to feed them. I tried so many soil mixes and various things, and it was just kinda a pain in the ass. Granted, Im confident in my soil grows now, it was still something that was a bitch until learned. The biggest benefit i saw, was it was cheap to fail and try new things. I had very little equipment and a low setup cost. Of course, monitoring changes in soil was difficult because of the time it took to see the changes. Did I mention bugs and mold?

HYDRO:
My very first hydro grow was a complete success. I ended up with twice the plant as my soil, and never really had any "uh oh" moments. Well, once i added the wrong ph of nutes and it stunted them until i corrected it :roll:. The biggest difference in the hydro was that I could automate the watering cycle. Yes, I had to monitor my tubs about twice a week, and still move water weekly; but it was definately easier to see what the plants were drinking. I also enjoy the ability to flush my root system, at will, easily in my hydro setup. I wouldnt say that hydro is any less work than soil, I can just say that its not much more. Hydro has been a lot cleaner in the house too. The startup cost of ebb and flow hydro is a little higher than soil, but reusing the media recovers it very quickly.

All this talk of ppm's and ph and wahtnots can be daunting. Yes it's probably VERY hard to reach perfection, but these gals will grow wonderfully without perfection. With $40 worth of ppm and ph equip, keeping the nutes straight isnt that bad. Dont worry, keeping ph between 5.4 and 6.8 isnt normally that difficult a task either. Ive learned how my tap water responds over the week now, so its a no brainer.

To summarize, I dont believe neither soil or hydro can be considered better than the other. They are both growing methods that can fit a persons individual needs and preferences. I do believe that if youre a new grower and your checking your plants daily anyhow, hydro wouldnt overcome your abilities. Just as in soil, once you get your system and setup figured out, the task will become nearly automatic and simplistic. If you think you want to try hydro indoors, DO IT!!

Fishin' for rep and comments! Anyone else find hydro easier than expected or feared?
 

Shanus

Active Member
True!! How'd you know I suck at math? Im just thinkin that if someone can figure out soil, cant they figure out hydro? They both seem to be of near same difficulty to me. Sorry if im being presumptious in saying its "not that hard". Happy growing!!
 

krisko

Active Member
I agree! I started a my grow in soil. and after loosing 6 of girls adn them being stunted and burned and over watered. I decided to make the swap over to hydro. I even transplanted my last 4 girls from soil to water. I will never look back its SOOO MUCH EASYER!!! you don't have to worrie about overwatering a noobs most common mistake and if you make a mistake its soo easy to fix. All you need is a ph meter and a ppm meter and your set. If you add to many nutrients its soo simple take a gallon of water out and put a gallon of fresh water in. No need to try and flush your plant and hope for the best. If you keep track of your ph and keep it where its suppose to be that elminates 1/4 of the problems. My girls are growing a inch or a two a day its insane!
 

jack the beanstalk

Active Member
I agree. I started serious growing in hydro and it was pretty simple. Of course I had some good books and a way with the numbers. A few things will make it easier. A big reservoir, a buffer res for nutes and ph adjustments and plenty of time to get things working right in the beginning. Once it's dialed in it's probably about the same amount of work.

The benefits for the commercial grow are great, bigger plants, more bud to leaf/stem, faster grow time, less deficiencies...

The drawbacks I see are: 1. taste, it's not so great. 2. crash time, things can go completely fucked in about a day with a mistake or two. 3. flooding, don't kid yourself, things leak.

For my personal stash I would rather grow in soil. 20 years of growing has led me to a simple system that always gives me great taste and potency with decent yields. I may try a hydro grow though with some of the new nutes to see if the taste issues have improved. I know GH is still the standard but there are so many additives I haven't tried.
 

Vento

Well-Known Member
Good Encouraging Post +Rep :)

I'm on my first grow ( Coco ) but i realy want to go hydro in the future when i have more experience , If i can i would like to do both and enjoy all the aspects they both offer ...I like a challenge but i just need to get as much experience as i can befor i branch out to other technics ... Something about hydro that is drawing me to it , I think after 4 or 5 coco grows i should have the coinfidence to start a small hydro and build from that .

Thanks again for this post :)
 

Shanus

Active Member
Good Encouraging Post +Rep :)

I'm on my first grow ( Coco ) but i realy want to go hydro in the future when i have more experience , If i can i would like to do both and enjoy all the aspects they both offer ...I like a challenge but i just need to get as much experience as i can befor i branch out to other technics ... Something about hydro that is drawing me to it , I think after 4 or 5 coco grows i should have the coinfidence to start a small hydro and build from that .

Thanks again for this post :)
4 or 5 more grows hell. You get one to go and you're set. :)

Krisko, EXACTLY!!!! Same situation here!

Jack, I agree with the drawbacks. Unless you had it dailed in from experience, I wouldnt reccomend leaving hydro unattended for too long. Outdoors, Id go soil all the way. Ive also been VERY worried about flavor. This last harvest, I flushed my hydro with "final Phase", and tap water for a week. I'd have to say, I dont notice any difference (chemically) between the pure organic soil grow, and the AN hydro. Let me know ifn you ever come to the same conclusion about taste, or if you completely disagree with me.
 

R3DROCk9

Active Member
I tried hydro...wuz workin at a garden store too. A LOT of that crap is jus sales...I now use a super soil mix. Much better.

Nice finishing colors, better taste and smoke IMO

With hydro I had to constantly clean the res, adjust ph, adjust ppm, clean trays....all this took up quite sum time to do weekly.

With a super soil I don't even have to add cal/mag to the water...the plants have everything they need frm start to finish....all I add is RO water

I put humid acid and dolomite in to buffer ph, as well

And to me it is a lot easier getting rid of soil in the backyard, than to dispose Of rockwool.....anytime sumone sees the rockwool they kno wuts up

Well, to each's own...
 

Shanus

Active Member
WOW, you were cleaning your trays weekly? Martha stewart aint got shit on you. I clean mine at flower change and when its over. I admit, I clean the nute tubs about 1 a month tho. Yep, the joys of growing includes versatility and personal choices. Glad you tried hydro and even happier you found the methods you prefer. Aside from the extra work, was hydro difficult, or did you see success?

Sagensour:

My last grow I used starter rockwool cubes placed in 3/4 gall hydroton tubs. I can handle 8 plants per larger tub, and my nutrient tubs were kept at 15gallons per 8 gals. Basically, a plot of 8gals in 6gallons of hydroton, fed by 15galls of nutes. Call me a sucker, but when i went hydro, I invested in Advanced Nutrients. I started small with the simple Grow/Micro/Bloom formula. I mixed them 1:1:1 throught the entire grow. Quite simple actually, and great results. Tho, having used only AN in hydro, Ive no clue how the others perform. I do know that Miracle grow burns like hell in soil, and EARTH JUICE is monumentally better and organic too.

I had such great luck from the GMB nutes, that by the time it came around, I bought the OVERDRIVE and FINAL PHASE too. I can actually vouch for the overdrive. It really wasnt too expensive, and it looks like the GMB and OVERDRIVE are gna last about the same ammount of time. I am almost sure that overdrive did exactly what they say. Seems like flower went about 1-1.5 weeks longer, and white hairs never stopped showing. As far as the final phase... i dont know if it did anything or not. Its cheap considering how much you use anyhow.

So from my experience, one could get away with just the 3 part system GMB. My water has calcium in it, so maybe people using ro water would need cal/mag? Ive since added bud ignitor, Big Bud, Voodoo juice to my collection. Im also using Earth Juice Microblast and META K (sparingly) twice for a week per grow. Anyhow, I havent had a chance to use the newest additions, but hell even if it its mostly hype, if it grows my shit and I'm happy, then who cares! I like the fact that AN seems to be stand-up when it comes to who they are marketing to. Oh and Im using SUPERTHRIVE for my younguns. That shit is so concentrate, its cheap as air. Hope I answered your question. Happy Growing!!
 

jack the beanstalk

Active Member
I found it to be much easier than I expected. EB/Flow is the way to go!
Definitely the method of hydro has a lot to do with the learning curve and worry factor. Big rockwool cubes in lava rock net pots on a simple top flood tray is gonna be a close to no-brainer. GH 3 parts and everything else is extra.

I have never tried organic hydro. That might be my next project.
 

R3DROCk9

Active Member
QUIT PLAYING THE NUTRIENT GAME PPL


All that adding and adjusting jus ends up being fodder for the dudes at the hydro store the next day...why not give your plants everything they need from start to finish INTHE SOIL.

Let the plant reach for the nutes and grab them as it wants, rather than jam sh!t down it's throat when you say it's time...

To me, it's like veal versus Kobe beef...veal Calves don't ever touch the ground and are fed introveiniesly, while Kobe have a great environment...and are allowed to do there own thing while being massaged and fed sake.

Btw I'm a vegetarian

Soo anyways, no failing pumps or timers...no leaks, no worrying, no buying into sum damn nutrient regime (with a ton of additives) needed....no worries...better smoke...better taste

AND peace of mind that your not a dummy following in line after the other mindless sheep. Lol
 

Shanus

Active Member
QUIT PLAYING THE NUTRIENT GAME PPL


All that adding and adjusting jus ends up being fodder for the dudes at the hydro store the next day...why not give your plants everything they need from start to finish INTHE SOIL.

Let the plant reach for the nutes and grab them as it wants, rather than jam sh!t down it's throat when you say it's time...

To me, it's like veal versus Kobe beef...veal Calves don't ever touch the ground and are fed introveiniesly, while Kobe have a great environment...and are allowed to do there own thing while being massaged and fed sake.

Btw I'm a vegetarian

Soo anyways, no failing pumps or timers...no leaks, no worrying, no buying into sum damn nutrient regime (with a ton of additives) needed....no worries...better smoke...better taste

AND peace of mind that your not a dummy following in line after the other mindless sheep. Lol
Aside from being an opinion about soil vs. hydro...... again, whats your take on it being hard to do?

Why dont you start a thread, or post in one of the many that argues "how much better soil is than hydro", and about how you dont even need to buy nutes if you own a goat." Does this mean you found hydro difficult? Since you did notice thats what the article is about. Oh wait, someone asked me "what I was using." Damn those easy to answer, factual type questions. Damn, wish he'd asked for an opinion on it.

Happy SOIL growing to ya!
 

R3DROCk9

Active Member
Shamus

You jus sound stupid. Obviously if you are talking easy....easy compared to wut???
Compared to walking thru Kandahar at night with only half a clip....WTF??

I wuz trying to keep it relevant. Obviously if you are talking hydro, it would be compared to soil growing.

Anyways to ask if it's hard depends strictly each individual person's experiences.


HYDRO IS HARD. HYDRO IS A WASTE OF TIME. HYDRO IS A WASTE OF MONEY. THERE IS NO DEBATE OVER WUT METHOD IS BETTER. SOIL TASTES, LOOKS, SMELLS, AND SMOKES BETTER.

And I learned my hydro method from a man named Hawg..he has his own strain...hawgs breath....maybe you've heard?


Wut I've noticed since working at the hydro store is that once sumone gets a method they usually stick with it...hell, if it works, why not???

So it's best to sell them on hydro in the beginning bc then they are wrapped up in an expensive venture and will usually go all the way to see their project thru...

all about SALES!!!

N e ways, u probably buy advanced nutrients, and all them add-ons as well.....so, next time your adding, measuring, mixing, balancing nutes and crap-----easy is a reach......easy is simple...easy shouldn't take that much time if it is TRULY easy...


maybe TEDIOUS is a better word

all that time to do that, plus cleaning everything, maintaining everything make hydro a waste of time IMO. It's not hard to mix nutes and clean and maintain things, bu really, who wants to do that all the time?????

As for mHe, I'll jus be the man over here adding strictly RO water, and i'll have a better plant and a better smoke.

so to answer your question in short before one of you gets ticked off and tries to combat me:

HYDRO IS EASY, IF YOU ARE DUMB ENOUGH TO DO IT.
 

Anonymouse

Active Member
No thanks, I grow dope with much danknicity, tastes great, burns white and kicks the shit out of most stuff on the black market here.



QUIT PLAYING THE NUTRIENT GAME PPL


All that adding and adjusting jus ends up being fodder for the dudes at the hydro store the next day...why not give your plants everything they need from start to finish INTHE SOIL.

Let the plant reach for the nutes and grab them as it wants, rather than jam sh!t down it's throat when you say it's time...

To me, it's like veal versus Kobe beef...veal Calves don't ever touch the ground and are fed introveiniesly, while Kobe have a great environment...and are allowed to do there own thing while being massaged and fed sake.

Btw I'm a vegetarian

Soo anyways, no failing pumps or timers...no leaks, no worrying, no buying into sum damn nutrient regime (with a ton of additives) needed....no worries...better smoke...better taste

AND peace of mind that your not a dummy following in line after the other mindless sheep. Lol
 

Anonymouse

Active Member
With your 55 posts and me finding nothing on here about your plants/grows, you're just being a hater.

And haters suck, you'd think someone who SMOKED WEED would be a little nicer and mellow.

Keep on truckin

Shamus

You jus sound stupid. Obviously if you are talking easy....easy compared to wut???
Compared to walking thru Kandahar at night with only half a clip....WTF??

I wuz trying to keep it relevant. Obviously if you are talking hydro, it would be compared to soil growing.

Anyways to ask if it's hard depends strictly each individual person's experiences.


HYDRO IS HARD. HYDRO IS A WASTE OF TIME. HYDRO IS A WASTE OF MONEY. THERE IS NO DEBATE OVER WUT METHOD IS BETTER. SOIL TASTES, LOOKS, SMELLS, AND SMOKES BETTER.

And I learned my hydro method from a man named Hawg..he has his own strain...hawgs breath....maybe you've heard?


Wut I've noticed since working at the hydro store is that once sumone gets a method they usually stick with it...hell, if it works, why not???

So it's best to sell them on hydro in the beginning bc then they are wrapped up in an expensive venture and will usually go all the way to see their project thru...

all about SALES!!!

N e ways, u probably buy advanced nutrients, and all them add-ons as well.....so, next time your adding, measuring, mixing, balancing nutes and crap-----easy is a reach......easy is simple...easy shouldn't take that much time if it is TRULY easy...


maybe TEDIOUS is a better word

all that time to do that, plus cleaning everything, maintaining everything make hydro a waste of time IMO. It's not hard to mix nutes and clean and maintain things, bu really, who wants to do that all the time?????

As for mHe, I'll jus be the man over here adding strictly RO water, and i'll have a better plant and a better smoke.

so to answer your question in short before one of you gets ticked off and tries to combat me:

HYDRO IS EASY, IF YOU ARE DUMB ENOUGH TO DO IT.
 

R3DROCk9

Active Member
LOl v3rt3X :)

Yeah anyways mouse i work for a living growing and jus stopped working at your local, fiendly neighborhood hydro store...so im jus buzy until recently...ive only been a member for 3 months so probably 50 posts is too much, bu wutever... Anyways, I'm definitely not a hater...But you obviously grow in hydro.

Have fun adding nutrients, adjusting ppm, checking Ph, cleaning reservoirs, dealing with faulty pumps, failing timers, weekly additives, expired warranties, bad attitudes, and inferior dankicity. Lemme kno how that goes ya....jus PM mHe…….....................lolololOLOlOlOloL
 

R3DROCk9

Active Member
Oh and V3rT3X....I almost spelled it 'stoopid' jus
To get the point across..I'm glad it didn't matter, tho. Lol

Take care all
 
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