Why Fox Farms and not just fish emulsion?

[skeeter101]

I see in the threads that lots of growers swear by nutrients from Fox Farms. I checked out their site and saw the nutrient composition levels and the price.

So I ask you, why would you spend so much on something like FF Big Bloom as opposed to comparatively inexpensive fish emulsion or kelp emulsion? (I don't mean to be capping on them; they're just an example.)

My local grow shop has shelf upon shelf of expensive nutes and I'm just wondering, what's the difference between them and less expensive organic--or at least dependably produced--alternatives?

Are they somehow more available to the plants for faster uptake? If so, how? Or what?

 

[cymbaline]

my friend swears by fish emulsion and pro-mix..

 

[Lil Czr]

I used Neptune's Harvest on my last go around.

It's pretty good stuff.

 

[RemeberMe]

One thing against the organics is the smell. If you're indoors, like in your house, you probably won't want to smell it Also, salt ferts like ff are better for foilar feeding, whereas organics dirty up the leaves really bad. Even outdoors I like organics for vegging and salt ferts for flowering. This keeps down the amount of salts on the soil which allows me to use it more than once or twice (expensive soils).

 

[Foreverstoned]

It's things such as the macro nutrients that are also in it, the ratio they are mixed at, the quality of the chelating agents, etc. Some, but not all, off brand nutrients are lacking in one or more of those departments. Not to say you can't find a great organic or off brand (or at least not very well known brand) nutrients, but stuff like FF, Advanced Nutrients, Technaflora, etc, are more engineered to help you produce great cannabis (though they don't advertise this directly for the most part).

 

[rastadred22]

my friend swears by fish emulsion and pro-mix..

im using promix and alaskan fish emulsion and super thrive!

 

[RemeberMe]

Superthrive isn't necessary. It's all marketing and package that makes it look like the super secrete stuff that it's not. A little B1 in the beginning probably does the same thing. B1 is very cheap at the home stores (like $4 a gallon) so don't get hooked into the really expensive B1s.

 

[rastadred22]

its worked well for me cant attest for alot of other things but it brought my tree out of nute burn! and was stunted...vege for a month and only got 2inches of tree but with several nodes...used the superthrive and saw results in less then a day!

all i got to say is a company making the same product since world war 2 had to tell u something! they garentee results or like a rediculous ammount of money bac and is used and sponsered by so0o0o0o many diff organizations...IMO i stick to things that are known and garenteed to work who cares about price when it comes to ur babies money is not an issue!

ur results are from wat u put in u want cheap u get cheap results!

 

[RemeberMe]

rastadred22, you should update your pic if st is giving you that good of results. That bud looks like it starved to death ha ha ha!

 

[mamador1r]

i like fish & kelp in veg.. i wouldn't use it in flower though

 

[rastadred22]

rastadred22, you should update your pic if st is giving you that good of results. That bud looks like it starved to death ha ha ha!

yeaan i was using the fish emulsin from seed and thats not a good idea i burnt her bad but the superthrive brought it out of this slump pretty fast dont u worry more picsd comin soon

 

[bigv1976]

Because people have a tendency to read MJ nute info and believe whatever the people write about it. Big Bloom is nothing more than refined molasses derived from beet production with a big price tag and anyone who argues with me is wrong because I spent 35 minutes on the phone with a Fox Farms rep who confirmed this. You spend $35 on FF and I spend $10 on some Jack's Classic bloom and a bottle of handy dandy molasses.

 

[rastadred22]

im opretty sure if u read the bottle it doesnt tell u to do it from seed so wat r u talkin bout...hmmm....it says a tea spoon i used less than half....hmmm...neways

 

[rastadred22]

look for urself! 1st pic was my hurt plant after a month of vege!
the rest are a day of treating with superthrive.....










still got anything to say?

 

[cymbaline]

you shouldn't need to use nutes for the 1st 1-3 weeks of seedlings or clones in decent soil.
Even pro-mix states you don't need to feed for the first week.
I forget what my friend used for flowering but it was from the same company the emulsion came from.

 

[rastadred22]

yeaa i kno i wasnt thinking it like a nute cuz i never used filsh emulsion but i def. kno now! as u can see i def. hurt that tree lol...but its doin good got a lot of growth and has grown almost and inch and 2new sets of leaves since yesterday

 

[Dubious06]

I'm using the Alaska fish emulsion, and my plants are doing well. I've also used it in my gardens for years with success. From what I've read you'll need more than that when you're ready to flower. I asked a similar question in a different thread, and here's a link an expert gave me. Good luck, cheers.

http://cannabis-grow-guide.blogspot.com/2010/06/fish-fertilizer-nutes.html

 

[rastadred22]

yea alasan emulsion is wa i gt

 

[Total Head]

Because people have a tendency to read MJ nute info and believe whatever the people write about it. Big Bloom is nothing more than refined molasses derived from beet production with a big price tag and anyone who argues with me is wrong because I spent 35 minutes on the phone with a Fox Farms rep who confirmed this. You spend $35 on FF and I spend $10 on some Jack's Classic bloom and a bottle of handy dandy molasses.

i disagree and i am not wrong. i don't doubt that ingredients come from beets because many nutes do, but to say that it's "nothing more" than molasses is an outright lie, either on your part or the company's. my bottle of bb says it is derived from earthworm castings, bat and seabird guano, rock phosphate, norwegian kelp, and potash magnesia that's "mined from natural mineral" whatever that means. i agree the price is a ripoff, but it's not like i'm paying 11 bucks for a bottle of plain molasses. and bb isn't that expensive, but the rest of ff stuff is. i am however anxiously awaiting running out of my ff stuff so i can try the jack's stuff. everyone raves and the price is very nice.

 

[Wetdog]

I see in the threads that lots of growers swear by nutrients from Fox Farms. I checked out their site and saw the nutrient composition levels and the price.

So I ask you, why would you spend so much on something like FF Big Bloom as opposed to comparatively inexpensive fish emulsion or kelp emulsion? (I don't mean to be capping on them; they're just an example.)

They prey on newbs and inexperienced growers to spend money on un-needed pretty labels and mis leading ad copy

My local grow shop has shelf upon shelf of expensive nutes and I'm just wondering, what's the difference between them and less expensive organic--or at least dependably produced--alternatives?

Not a thing, other than the pretty labels and super high price. MJ grows like any other plant and doesn't need "special" food. They would like for you to think that though.

Are they somehow more available to the plants for faster uptake? If so, how? Or what?

No, not at all.

I do organic vegetable gardening also and use the same inexpensive organic nutes for both my veggies and mj. Any organic farmer would take one look at those 'special' organic (or chem based), nutes and gag at the prices.

MJ 'specific' nutes are a very slick (and seemingly effective), marketing ploy to separate mostly inexperienced growers from their $$$$$.

Wet