Flowering beauty desecrated by dumbsh#ts!! I shot at them!!

passionflower

Active Member
Just kidding!! I needed a catchy headline to get attention. A friend needs help, desperately!!

A friend of mine has a female that is in her 1 st month of flowering. She has spent her entire life growing in soil outdoors, nothing but dirt, water, food. She has been fine till moved indoors.

First I would like to describe her. She is 3 feet tall, was the runt of the litter. Has long skinny arms, more of a tree than a bush. Has large sparse leaves, skinny flowers with white hairs that have a lavender tinge.

Her Elder siblings produced amazing flowers. One had a huge "Donkey Dick" More than half of the center stalk was one giant flower. Each of the long branches was almost a complete flower from top to bottom. There was a strong "Skunky" odor in the whole yard(outdoors) Sticky to touch, covered in frosty crystals. Amazing flavor and quite phsychotic. Clear your schedule for this girl, she's gonna work you for hours!!

Back to our fledgling. After she was uprooted and replanted, she was put in a basement closet, about 75 degrees, low humidity, a pair of fluorescent light bulbs with more of the red spectrum were used (2) 48" bulbs at 18 watts each), as well as a small space heater/fan.

Again, SHE WAS DUG UP FROM HER NATURAL OUTDOOR LOCATION, dropped right into some Miracle grow potting soil in a big pot, and watered (may not have been watered enough) Some of the roots may also have been damaged when excavating her.

Also, as soon as she was re-planted/moved, and put under fluorescent lights, she was pruned using dull snips, (just the big leaves extending from the flowers.)

Also, Winter months have shortened days here in North Florida. She's used to the winter clock, minimal hours of sunlight. My friend changed that at once. (much longer light duration under fluorescents, about 18 hours)

Also, the first night, (mind you, she was uprooted from her natural outdoor location, put in a pot, put indoors, underwatered, had a heatfan on her, and 18 hours of fluorescent light (the type with the red end of the spectrum)
That morning, we weren't surprised to see the leaves drooping. What can we do to save her?

Also, one other thing. She is about 3 feet tall, very spindly. Prior to this whole incident, she was pretty healthy but showing red stripes down her main trunk, and some of the leaves had been yellowing . The beginning stages of her life were also very rough, she almost died a few times, lack of nutrients and sunlight. Her 2 sisters grew much faster and bigger, yielded flowers much quicker.

She bounced back from her early illness and did fine outdoors. She was the runt of the litter, but she's a fighter, has survived the worst.

Since she was moved and put under such extreme change all at once, this morning it was noticed that she had begun to wilt. She hasn't dried out yet, yesterday night she was fine, that was until she was moved, cut, and exposed to a whole new medium(potting soil) new location and new light conditions as well as duration of lighting. This morning, her leaves were drooping.

One other thing. When my friend brought her home, it was 11PM. So she had just seen a 12 hour day of sunlight(mostly indirect) So from 6PM till 11:50PM she sat in the dark.At 11PM she was uprooted, replanted, watered lightly (perhaps not enough) put under red spectrum fluorescent lights, had a heat fan blowing hot air at her and stayed at her new home indoors in a closet from 11:55PM last night till 7pm today.

The heater was left on overnight last night. In the morning, it was noticed that the soil was dry and the leaves were drooping. The heat was shut off immediately, (I think the heat may have caused the drooping) the fan however was left on her.

It was noticed this evening that the leaves are still drooping and the soil was very dry and some of the roots were exposed. That was remedied, roots gently covered, watered very thoroughly, plant has been misted repeatedly.

I know this all sounds a bit confusing, sorry for the lack of structure with my explanation of events. This is the way it was explained by my friend to me.

Anyone willing to help, I will explain it better, start to finish.

What to do?? I know nothing about any of this, my friend obviously knows nothing, he needs all the help he can get.

Is there a number that a trusted experienced Professional can be reached? This to explain this whole mess to over the phone and save this Beautiful girl. PM me with the info please!!
 

Zhu

Well-Known Member
The shock of transplanting from outdoors to indoors was probably enough to slow growth for a few days along with the trimming it probably shocked her pretty hard. I would shut off the lights for a day let her get some rest and keep the temp around 70-75 with the humidity around 50%. Usually during transplanting I use the general rule of keep watering till 10% of the water you put in comes out as drainage then a days rest before hitting it with the lights.
 

FilthyFletch

Mr I Can Do That For Half
wow you really were rough on her. Well dont cut the fan leaves off as those are what make the plants food so without them to catch light and do photosynthesis she can eat and will die so thats a bad thing. The transaplant was a shock to her so might have some issues there.Dont transplant when in flower. You definately dont have enough light for flower in there.The miracle grow was a bad idea at this stage of growth as miracle grow uses a high nitrogen fert which is good to start your plants in and it feed them but a plant in flower is cut off from nitrogen and then supplied phosphorus to flower.Your also gonna have some issues as you almost need to revers harden off the plant to get it used to being indoors and not out.Id try to get some clones and basically hope she even survives.
 

chrome

Active Member
Well to start i am a bit of a noob but from what i can tell first bad move was replanting in flower stage it stresses the plant real bad + cuting the roots also adds stress you also don't have good lighting if your going with fluorescent lights you might want to hit walmart or some thing for some $10 48watt bulbs not T5's.
Nother thing is if you are trying to keep it in flower then you need 12/12 12hrs of light 12hrs of dark.
any way im stoned right now + new so i hope some one can help you better but read up in the growfaq's it will help you alot man. sorry i was not of much help but hope it works out for you


P.S. MG soil is not good lots of acids and stuff some times it can slow growth or kill a plant if you are adding high ph water with it .
 

chrome

Active Member
wow did not know you guys posted a reply to this must have took me longer to type that then i thought:blsmoke:
 

passionflower

Active Member
The shock of transplanting from outdoors to indoors was probably enough to slow growth for a few days along with the trimming it probably shocked her pretty hard. I would shut off the lights for a day let her get some rest and keep the temp around 70-75 with the humidity around 50%. Usually during transplanting I use the general rule of keep watering till 10% of the water you put in comes out as drainage then a days rest before hitting it with the lights.
I fucking love you guys!! Thanks!! Jimbob definitely starved her for water. Going to call him to water her right now.
Question, would distilled water be a good idea?

Also, MG is not a good medium, if Jimbob gets her to bounce back should he switch to something else?

How much rest in the dark, how many hours, for how many days?? After be ing kept in the dark for X amount of time, can she then be put back under the same lights? They are the T-12, commercial size, 48" long, 2 total about 2 feet over the plant. They are GE F40 plant and aquarium lights 40 watts 1900 lumens. Claim a combination of phosphors that produce excellent reds and blues, especially reds.

Also, It's got a fan blowing right at it, with the option of a heater. I think the heater hurt her too)on top of all the other madness, poor poor girl, and she's such a beauty)

Also, when in the dark/resting stage, would room lighting (incandescent bulbs) hurt? What I mean to say is, if the plants are kept in a closet, at night, when the bedroom lights come on, will this affect her? What about opening the closet door for inspection? Does total darkness literally mean TOTAL darkness, like pitch black, no houselights, even for a few minutes?

So, water, dark then resume lighting? How many hours of dark? How much light? Does Jimbob have sufficient lighting? Red spectrum for flowering, blue for growth? Jimbob also has a seedling that is very healthy. What kind of lighting should she get? How to determine if it is a male or female? Should they be kept in the same area under the same lighting conditions?

How should the big girl be handled from here on in, and how should the little fire baby from the Evil family of super strain be raised?

Could you give me step by step, blow by blow info on how to remedy the situation for big girl and the same for ultimate health size and yeild on the evil little sapling? The big girl comes from a pretty hotblooded fiery family but the little baby one is pure hellfire. This I swear. EEEVIIIL...
 

passionflower

Active Member
wow you really were rough on her. Well dont cut the fan leaves off as those are what make the plants food so without them to catch light and do photosynthesis she can eat and will die so thats a bad thing. The transaplant was a shock to her so might have some issues there.Dont transplant when in flower. You definately dont have enough light for flower in there.The miracle grow was a bad idea at this stage of growth as miracle grow uses a high nitrogen fert which is good to start your plants in and it feed them but a plant in flower is cut off from nitrogen and then supplied phosphorus to flower.Your also gonna have some issues as you almost need to revers harden off the plant to get it used to being indoors and not out.Id try to get some clones and basically hope she even survives.
I fucking love you guys!! Thanks!! Same reply and set of questions for you.. Jimbob definitely starved her for water. Going to call him to water her right now.
Question, would distilled water be a good idea?

Also, MG is not a good medium, if Jimbob gets her to bounce back should he switch to something else?

How much rest in the dark, how many hours, for how many days?? After be ing kept in the dark for X amount of time, can she then be put back under the same lights? They are the T-12, commercial size, 48" long, 2 total about 2 feet over the plant. They are GE F40 plant and aquarium lights 40 watts 1900 lumens. Claim a combination of phosphors that produce excellent reds and blues, especially reds. I understand that blues are best for growth and reds are best for flowering. Can Jimbob use the same lights for the baby and the big girl?. What Jimbob has been doing is putting baby outside till dusk then moving indoors for a few more hours under the lights. This till the baby grows a bit. Bad idea? Different strains, big girl packs a trippy giddy whallop, baby comes from a family of evil murderers!! Hopefully baby is a girl. (If it is a boy, can it be force changed to a girl?)

Also, It's got a fan blowing right at it, with the option of a heater. I think the heater hurt her too)on top of all the other madness, poor poor girl, and she's such a beauty)

Also, when in the dark/resting stage, would room lighting (incandescent bulbs) hurt? What I mean to say is, if the plants are kept in a closet, at night, when the bedroom lights come on, will this affect her? What about opening the closet door for inspection? Does total darkness literally mean TOTAL darkness, like pitch black, no houselights, even for a few minutes?

So, water, how many hours of dark then how many hours of lighting? How many hours of dark? How much light? Does Jimbob have sufficient lighting(the above mentioned pair of 44" T12's? Red spectrum for flowering, blue for growth?

If she survives this ordeal, can she be made to grow bigger? Can an already flowering plant be cloned? She is a beauty, sure would be nice if there was a LOT more of her. What are my options? Can I put pics up here? SO MANY NOOB QUESTIONS!! Sorry guys!!

Jimbob also has a 4 day old sapling that is very healthy. Different family. (Killer,above mentioned hellfire) What kind of lighting should she (the sapling) get? How to determine if it is a male or female? Should they be kept in the same area under the same lighting conditions? What should they eat?

How should the big girl be handled from here on in, and how should the little fire baby from the Evil family of super strain be raised?

Could you give me step by step, blow by blow info on how to remedy the situation for big girl and the same for ultimate health size and yeild on the evil little sapling? The big girl comes from a pretty hotblooded fiery family but the little baby one is pure hellfire. This I swear. EEEVIIIL...
 

passionflower

Active Member
SHE'S BOUNCING BACK!!!!!!!

Jimbob want more growth. Should he put her on an 18/6? Jimbob did this to try to revive her from the shock and not only did she bounce back, Jimbob noticed some new growth down low. Is he on the right track?
As I stated earlier, she is in bloom, about halfway there but the flowers are sparse. I think the short winter days that made up her life cycle made her grow long and spindly, very few branches. A 4" main trunk and 4 offshoots. Thats it. On these branches, sparsely scattered flowers, at least 1.5 months away from ripening.

Should she be put back on the 18/6 thing? Sorry for the Noob question. Hey, I'm catching on!!
 

Happiman

Active Member
Since it's already flowering, you should keep it under strict 12/12.

Darkness means TOTAL darkness, not even a tiny glimmer of light. Even the tiny red light on an extension cable is enough to hermie a plant.

New growth is BAD at this stage, it looks like the plant is already reverting to 'veg' mode. Maybe the growth will stop under a strict 12/12 regime, but I'm not sure about that.

If you do put it under 18/6 now, then it will continue to veg, and probably produce lots more shoots at each node. This could be good if you're not in a hurry, and want a bigger yield. You could let it veg until it's bushed out, then switch to 12/12 and start a new flowering period.

Keep an eye out for male flowers, there's a chance it will hermie because of the messed up life it's had.


At least it's still alive and apparently healthy, so good luck! :)
 

shakenbake

Active Member
Your buddy put her under two 18 watt flouresents??? dude just replanted an outdoor established plant from an outdoor 1200 watt-like enviromant to a 36 watt enviromant. have him Put two 600 watt lights on her now. Whats probably happening (and never mind the damage from replanting) is you're feeding her way too much nutes and she's got no light to turn those nutes into usable food. Also when the plant is finally blooming with a little over 40 watts, say Hmm a 1000, then it should have absolutely no light at all when it sleeps. If even a key hole of lights disturb that plant you will loose yield big-time. It (the plant) will look at this keyhole of light and be stunned by it instead of relaxing. light at sleepy-time is really bad.
 

FilthyFletch

Mr I Can Do That For Half
Nothing wrong with miracle grow as long as it moisture control all other MG is suspect and has issues but like stated its not great to start a flowering plant in it as the needed nutes are not there.umm 2 T12s is good to start clones or seedling and incadescent bulbs are just bad.1 plant that size will need about 14 of those T12 bulbs assuming you use the 40 watters and then you will have smaller yields with airy buds.Get at least a 400 watt hid light or at worst case 2 125 watt actual wattage cfls the kind that are about 18 inches long and are like U shaped tubes not the spiral kind at the store.
 

passionflower

Active Member
Nothing wrong with miracle grow as long as it moisture control all other MG is suspect and has issues but like stated its not great to start a flowering plant in it as the needed nutes are not there.umm 2 T12s is good to start clones or seedling and incadescent bulbs are just bad.1 plant that size will need about 14 of those T12 bulbs assuming you use the 40 watters and then you will have smaller yields with airy buds.Get at least a 400 watt hid light or at worst case 2 125 watt actual wattage cfls the kind that are about 18 inches long and are like U shaped tubes not the spiral kind at the store.
It's all dead. The big girl and the little seedling are gone. Jimbobs project is no more. Thanks guys, it was fun while it lasted. Take care!!
 
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