Fan Leaves getting black spots then dying Please help. I have read everything I can.

whiteflour

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I believe a lot of these deficiencies come from improper watering. I'm fairly certain it is NOT a deficiency with P itself, more likely pH.

I've got this same going on with one plant and the P was just stepped up. The only thing I can think of was last watering I got lazy and ran out of water, so it didn't the usual full flush treatment. I suspect that to be the culprit, it looks better after a proper watering.
 

SmokeyMcPotJK

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I believe a lot of these deficiencies come from improper watering. I'm fairly certain it is NOT a deficiency with P itself, more likely pH.

I've got this same going on with one plant and the P was just stepped up. The only thing I can think of was last watering I got lazy and ran out of water, so it didn't the usual full flush treatment. I suspect that to be the culprit, it looks better after a proper watering.
Can you expand on this. Improper watering how? I use a moisture meter to know when to water. I make sure the soil is dry. I water it until a little water come out each bottom whole. I don't usually have to dump the water from the run off tray. Should I be giving it more water when I water?
 

whiteflour

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Most people tend to do what I call a "partial watering". Meaning you've watered the pot but you didn't get any run off from the bottom. What tends to happen here is any fertilizers that weren't used get left in the soil when the water evaporates. With organic grows this isn't so much of a problem, but with chemicals, and especially salt-based or soluble fertilizers, it leaves behind a mess.

Overtime depending on how heavy your feeding and how thorough your watering the salt that's left behind tends to build up. Think of your bath tub. You fill it up halfway for a week and you get a "ring". The same thing is going on inside your pot at the water line if you're not flushing out the old ferts. This is why most schedules say to feed every other watering, but it doesn't help unless you were watering right.

In general when you water you should make sure you're flooding pot, saturating ALL of the soil, and getting plenty of run off from the bottom. Then you wait until the pot has dried thoroughly, to the point your top begins to "droop" or fall over. This will keep you from building up excess salts which could eventually burn your plant or mess with the pH level.
 

Sugarskull

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The second set of pics looks like what I have been dealing with which is phos diff. I was told that that if you are getting spots that are dark grey or black on the edges of the leaves that its phos more thatn likely. Again it just looks like what I have. I flushed and gave a light feeding after it dryed a litlte and it went away.
 

whiteflour

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Can you expand on this. Improper watering how? I use a moisture meter to know when to water. I make sure the soil is dry. I water it until a little water come out each bottom whole. I don't usually have to dump the water from the run off tray. Should I be giving it more water when I water?
Your problem could be the tray itself. When I use those I always pour off everything. If left with water the bottom 1/4" is always going to be hot.
 

whiteflour

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The second set of pics looks like what I have been dealing with which is phos diff. I was told that that if you are getting spots that are dark grey or black on the edges of the leaves that its phos more thatn likely. Again it just looks like what I have. I flushed and gave a light feeding after it dryed a litlte and it went away.
I agree it does look like a phosphorous deficiency, but I suspect the more likely cause of it is the pH rather than lack of nutes. If you're using any of the cannabis nutes they tend to have a really high phosphorous ratio anyway. So you have to look beyond it as the cause.
 

SmokeyMcPotJK

Active Member
Most people tend to do what I call a "partial watering". Meaning you've watered the pot but you didn't get any run off from the bottom. What tends to happen here is any fertilizers that weren't used get left in the soil when the water evaporates. With organic grows this isn't so much of a problem, but with chemicals, and especially salt-based or soluble fertilizers, it leaves behind a mess.

Overtime depending on how heavy your feeding and how thorough your watering the salt that's left behind tends to build up. Think of your bath tub. You fill it up halfway for a week and you get a "ring". The same thing is going on inside your pot at the water line if you're not flushing out the old ferts. This is why most schedules say to feed every other watering, but it doesn't help unless you were watering right.

In general when you water you should make sure you're flooding pot, saturating ALL of the soil, and getting plenty of run off from the bottom. Then you wait until the pot has dried thoroughly, to the point your top begins to "droop" or fall over. This will keep you from building up excess salts which could eventually burn your plant or mess with the pH level.
Your problem could be the tray itself. When I use those I always pour off everything. If left with water the bottom 1/4" is always going to be hot.
I agree it does look like a phosphorous deficiency, but I suspect the more likely cause of it is the pH rather than lack of nutes. If you're using any of the cannabis nutes they tend to have a really high phosphorous ratio anyway. So you have to look beyond it as the cause.

Whiteflower you are a pimp. I am very happy that you responded again and with great thorough easy to understand info. If I could rep ya again I would.
I am going to check out your threads. But before I do...I wanted to tell you want runoff trays I use.
I use 3 gallon black round pots and circular runoff trays...i got them as a set from the dro shop. The runoff trays have lips about 2 inches tall perhaps and the bottom is grooved.
What do you use.
Is there something I can do when putting together my grow room that I am working on to ensure proper watering conditions?
Meaning should I put the pots on a plastic table with lips on it that would be tilted slightly to one corner with a hole in it and a bucket underneath?
 

SmokeyMcPotJK

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Also I definitely was not watering as you suggested and I am convinced this caused my issue. I would purposely try to water just until a little water came out so it would not overflow the tray
 

whiteflour

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Is there something I can do when putting together my grow room that I am working on to ensure proper watering conditions?
Meaning should I put the pots on a plastic table with lips on it that would be tilted slightly to one corner with a hole in it and a bucket underneath?
No, there's not really any trick to it, just takes some practice to read the plant and figure out how often you should water. If you have a soil has a high water retention like peat or coco you might over water at first, but it's no big deal just wait a little longer before you water the next time. Eventually you'll find that you spend a lot less time when you're watering more less often, than a less more often.

Right now I'm doing a run with grow bags so I just got big rubbermaid lids and have been siphoning off the runoff. I seen some big 4x4 trays at home depot though that would work great with a drain spout and bucket. My next run will probably be aero or dwc though so I've been cutting corners on some things.
 

SmokeyMcPotJK

Active Member
In general when you water you should make sure you're flooding pot, saturating ALL of the soil, and getting plenty of run off from the bottom. Then you wait until the pot has dried thoroughly, to the point your top begins to "droop" or fall over. This will keep you from building up excess salts which could eventually burn your plant or mess with the pH level.
Yep...my plant leaves are showing symptoms more resembling burn now. I did a little flush last night. 2x the volume. Would have done 3 but it got watered 3 days ago and 2 days ago i gave it some water with a little baking soda to try to up the PH (not working) and last night I flushed.
PH from runoff 6-6.25 even though I did the baking soda water and when i flushed i sprinkled just a pinch on top
Hopefully its not to late to repent to the watering gods or the MJ gods or some god
I shall water correctly from now on! Smite me not!
 
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