It sounds like the lucas mix is missing something. Doesnt sound like a balanced diet. It is prob the easiest but not the best like you said for the trees we like to grow! I have been using Botanicares semi organic line for two years without a problem. I say semi organic because from what ive seen its like a syenthetic organic. It has shiney gliter type look to it. Its not slimmy at all! Its easy to control Nute levels and ph. Im sure its cheaper than the FF. Its hard to with the FF which ones are acually added bennificals or snake oils. I use 5 bottles....Vegg, Flower, liquid karma, cal-mag, and sweet. And I dont know if I will continue using the sweet. But thats it. Dont forget the best method of growing........K.I.S.S. Give her everything she needs and she will give you what you want!
Good mornin' Ol' Buddy
Im not sure if its the lucas formula, or the GH nutes altogether.
It juiced up my plants real well for the bucket cloner, but after i put em under the 430 watt veg light, they grew tall, and hardly established any real bud sites.. Thats BS.. I want LOTS of cola's!
Not just a few here and there..
I feel as if I shouldn't blame the "Lucas" formula(2 part) .. I think this was happening because of an inferior product.
I want a plant that will put out at least 20 huge cola's like before.. not just 4 or 5.
Ive noticed a few other people growing with GH from beginning to end and noticed the "jack and the beanstalk" effect.
And one more thing, the plant growth was much slower than if i was running the FF.
The Fox Farm made my girls super bushy, grew extremely fast, with multiple growing shoots, with hardly any stretch whatsoever... Thats what I want!!
Im not into growing a spindly bean stalk, I like the shorter, stout, thick ass plants around here.
And if you dont grow em right from the beginning, it will affect the plant all the way to harvest.
The GH was not giving me the plants I desire to grow.
Anyways, I have made the switch back to FF and everything is starting to look much better in a very short time
Im very thankful that i'll have another 20 days of veg time.. Whew!
I nipped it at the bud!! Hahahahaa!
When I first used the GH i used it half way to Harvest , but, used FF as the initial nute from the start of flowering.
The plants looked great, but i wanted more, ya know... Im a tweaker..its in my blood.
And thats when I dumped out the FF for the GH.. Mistake.
Ill bet my yields would have been even higher if I continued with FF.
I got terrific yields last time, but im pretty sure it was because of FF, and not because of GH.
I was giving all of the credit to GH, And should of been giving the kudos to FF instead...My Bad.
The last batch was heavy, but the buds didnt have that pizazz, and sparkle, after the switchover.
I think Ill have to give in and say that the additives are beneficial in making primo, delicious looking bud.
And possibly more weight.
Might have to look into your line of nutes, your plants always look fantastic DF.
I might continue using gh nutes for the cloning bucket, buts thats about it.
My clones were top notch with the GH product...Possibly better than if I used Fox Farms.
But, after that it went downhill fast using the GH nutes.
I'll tell ya this, Im not running GH products in anything but my cloning bucket for now on..its final.
You know, ive been cutting down FF for a while now, and Im not really sure if organics drops yields in Hydro like I originally thought.
In soil.. most definetely, because organics have to breakdown and go through a much slower process.
In hydro, its a direct shot into the roots, with no time wasting.
I have thought about this subject for a while.. and I think im on to something.
When i grew the soil and bubbler plants together on FF nutes, the soil plants were much smaller than if i grew em out with chemicals... same room, under the same light, along with the same amount of Co2.
So, i have come to a final conclusion, dont use organics in soil, but use in hydro.
The buds turned out like corn cobs with organics in a bubbler... a bit messy, but it seemed to pump em up.
And the taste was much better, Ive already admitted to that long ago.
Like I mentioned in my last post, I changed out the GH nutes in one of my flowering buckets a week ago, and noticed a "definite increase in bud girth" over the GH plants.
So, I dumped all the buckets, and mixed up FF, and they are now loving life.
Im thinking GH nutes are not the best thing to use for maximum yields, but they may be perfect for an average garden.. costs are low.
Anyways, I need to get this harvest overwith, so I can deal with smaller, more manageable plants.
As you know/seen, I have a nice batch of vegged plants that are good and ready for the big imitation sun in the flowering room, and the best part is that there at an average heighth this time!!!
And I have Northern Lights #5 in the mix!!!!!
I wish you a nice day, and thank you for your valuable input on this scenario.
Your Ol' homey, CG