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medicineman

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Sunday 20th March 2005
[SIZE=+1]Depleted uranium: A death sentence here and abroad[/SIZE]



“Military men are just dumb stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy.” — Henry Kissinger, quoted in “Kiss the Boys Goodbye: How the United States Betrayed Its Own POW’s in Vietnam.”

Vietnam was a chemical war for oil, permanently contaminating large regions and countries downriver with Agent Orange, and environmentally the most devastating war in world history. But since 1991, the U.S. has staged four nuclear wars using depleted uranium weaponry, which, like Agent Orange, meets the U.S. government definition of Weapons of Mass Destruction. Vast regions in the Middle East and Central Asia have been permanently contaminated with radiation.

And what about our soldiers? Terry Jemison of the Department of Veterans Affairs reported this week to the American Free Press that “Gulf-era veterans” now on medical disability since 1991 number 518,739, with only 7,035 reported wounded in Iraq in that same 14-year period.

This week the American Free Press dropped a “dirty bomb” on the Pentagon by reporting that eight out of 20 men who served in one unit in the 2003 U.S. military offensive in Iraq now have malignancies. That means that 40 percent of the soldiers in that unit have developed malignancies in just 16 months.

Since these soldiers were exposed to vaccines and depleted uranium (DU) only, this is strong evidence for researchers and scientists working on this issue, that DU is the definitive cause of Gulf War Syndrome. Vaccines are not known to cause cancer. One of the first published researchers on Gulf War Syndrome, who also served in 1991 in Iraq, Dr. Andras Korényi — Both, is in agreement with Barbara Goodno from the Department of Defense’s Deployment Health Support Directorate, that in this war soldiers were not exposed to chemicals, pesticides, bioagents or other suspect causes this time to confuse the issue.

Blowing holes in the cover-up

This powerful new evidence is blowing holes in the cover-up perpetrated by the Pentagon and three presidential administrations ever since DU was first used in 1991 in the Persian Gulf War. Fourteen years after the introduction of DU on the battlefield in 1991, the long-term effects have revealed that DU is a death sentence and very nasty stuff.

Scientists studying the biological effects of uranium in the 1960s reported that it targets the DNA. Marion Fulk, a nuclear physical chemist retired from the Livermore Nuclear Weapons Lab and formerly involved with the Manhattan Project, interprets the new and rapid malignancies in soldiers from the 2003 war as “spectacular ... and a matter of concern.”

This evidence shows that of the three effects which DU has on biological systems — radiation, chemical and particulate — the particulate effect from nano-size particles is the most dominant one immediately after exposure and targets the Master Code in the DNA. This is bad news, but it explains why DU causes a myriad of diseases which are difficult to define.

In simple words, DU “trashes the body.” When asked if the main purpose for using it was for destroying things and killing people, Fulk was more specific: “I would say that it is the perfect weapon for killing lots of people.”

Soldiers developing malignancies so quickly since 2003 can be expected to develop multiple cancers from independent causes. This phenomenon has been reported by doctors in hospitals treating civilians following NATO bombing with DU in Yugoslavia in 1998-1999 and the U.S. military invasion of Iraq using DU for the first time in 1991. Medical experts report that this phenomenon of multiple malignancies from unrelated causes has been unknown until now and is a new syndrome associated with internal DU exposure.

Just 467 U.S. personnel were wounded in the three-week Persian Gulf War in 1990-1991. Out of 580,400 soldiers who served in Gulf War I, 11,000 are dead, and by 2000 there were 325,000 on permanent medical disability. This astounding number of disabled vets means that a decade later, 56 percent of those soldiers who served now have medical problems.

The number of disabled vets reported up to 2000 has been increasing by 43,000 every year. Brad Flohr of the Department of Veterans Affairs told American Free Press that he believes there are more disabled vets now than even after World War II.

They brought it home

Not only were soldiers exposed to DU on and off the battlefields, but they brought it home. DU in the semen of soldiers internally contaminated their wives, partners and girlfriends. Tragically, some women in their 20s and 30s who were sexual partners of exposed soldiers developed endometriosis and were forced to have hysterectomies because of health problems.

In a group of 251 soldiers from a study group in Mississippi who had all had normal babies before the Gulf War, 67 percent of their post-war babies were born with severe birth defects. They were born with missing legs, arms, organs or eyes or had immune system and blood diseases. In some veterans’ families now, the only normal or healthy members of the family are the children born before the war.

The Department of Veterans Affairs has stated that they do not keep records of birth defects occurring in families of veterans.

How did they hide it?

Before a new weapons system can be used, it must be fully tested. The blueprint for depleted uranium weapons is a 1943 declassified document from the Manhattan Project.

Harvard President and physicist James B. Conant, who developed poison gas in World War I, was brought into the Manhattan Project by the father of presidential candidate John Kerry. Kerry’s father served at a high level in the Manhattan Project and was a CIA agent.

Conant was chair of the S-1 Poison Gas Committee, which recommended developing poison gas weapons from the radioactive trash of the atomic bomb project in World War II. At that time, it was known that radioactive materials dispersed in bombs from the air, from land vehicles or on the battlefield produced very fine radioactive dust which would penetrate all protective clothing, any gas mask or filter or the skin. By contaminating the lungs and blood, it could kill or cause illness very quickly.

They also recommended it as a permanent terrain contaminant, which could be used to destroy populations by contaminating water supplies and agricultural land with the radioactive dust.

The first DU weapons system was developed for the Navy in 1968, and DU weapons were given to and used by Israel in 1973 under U.S. supervision in the Yom Kippur war against the Arabs.

The Phalanx weapons system, using DU, was tested on the USS Bigelow out of Hunters Point Naval Shipyard in 1977, and DU weapons have been sold by the U.S. to 29 countries.

Military research report summaries detail the testing of DU from 1974-1999 at military testing grounds, bombing and gunnery ranges and at civilian labs under contract. Today 42 states are contaminated with DU from manufacture, testing and deployment.

Increases in endometriosis, birth defects in babies, leukemia in children and cancers

Women living around these facilities have reported increases in endometriosis, birth defects in babies, leukemia in children and cancers and other diseases in adults. Thousands of tons of DU weapons tested for decades by the Navy on four bombing and gunnery ranges around Fallon, Nevada, is no doubt the cause of the fastest growing leukemia cluster in the U.S. over the past decade. The military denies that DU is the cause.

The medical profession has been active in the cover-up — just as they were in hiding the effects from the American public — of low level radiation from atmospheric testing and nuclear power plants. A medical doctor in Northern California reported being trained by the Pentagon with other doctors, months before the 2003 war started, to diagnose and treat soldiers returning from the 2003 war for mental problems only.

Medical professionals in hospitals and facilities treating returning soldiers were threatened with $10,000 fines if they talked about the soldiers or their medical problems. They were also threatened with jail.

Reporters have also been prevented access to more than 14,000 medically evacuated soldiers flown nightly since the 2003 war in C-150s from Germany who are brought to Walter Reed Hospital near Washington, D.C.

Only talk about DU in Oregon “and nothing overseas ... nothing political.”

Dr. Robert Gould, former president of the Bay Area chapter of Physicians for Social Responsibility (PSR), has contacted three medical doctors since February 2004, after I had been invited to speak about DU. Dr. Katharine Thomasson, president of the Oregon chapter of the PSR, informed me that Dr. Gould had contacted her and tried to convince her to cancel her invitation for me to speak about DU at Portland State University on April 12. Although I was able to do a presentation, Dr. Thomasson told me I could only talk about DU in Oregon “and nothing overseas ... nothing political.”

Dr. Gould also contacted and discouraged Dr. Ross Wilcox in Toronto, Canada, from inviting me to speak to Physicians for Global Survival (PGS), the Canadian equivalent of PSR, several months later. When that didn’t work, he contacted Dr. Allan Connoly, the Canadian national president of PGS, who was able to cancel my invitation and nearly succeeded in preventing Dr. Wilcox, his own member, from showing photos and presenting details on civilians suffering from DU exposure and cancer provided to him by doctors in southern Iraq.

Dr. Janette Sherman, a former and long-standing member of PSR, reported that she finally quit some time after being invited to lunch by a new PSR executive administrator. After the woman had pumped Dr. Sherman for information all through lunch about her position on key issues, the woman informed Dr. Sherman that her last job had been with the CIA.

How was the truth about DU hidden from military personnel serving in successive DU wars? Before his tragic death, Sen. Paul Wellstone informed Joyce Riley, R.N., B.S.N., executive director of the American Gulf War Veterans Association, that 95 percent of Gulf War veterans had been recycled out of the military by 1995. Any of those continuing in military service were isolated from each other, preventing critical information being transferred to new troops. The “next DU war” had already been planned, and those planning it wanted “no skunk at the garden party.”

The US has a dirty (DU) little (CIA) secret

A new book just published at the American Free Press by Michael Collins Piper, “The High Priests of War: The Secret History of How America’s Neo-Conservative Trotskyites Came to Power and Orchestrated the War Against Iraq as the First Step in Their Drive for Global Empire,” details the early plans for a war against the Arab world by Henry Kissinger and the neo-cons in the late 1960s and early 1970s.

That just happens to coincide with getting the DU “show on the road” and the oil crisis in the Middle East, which caused concern not only to President Nixon. The British had been plotting and scheming for control of the oil in Iraq for decades since first using poison gas on the Iraqis and Kurds in 1912.

The book details the creation of the neo-cons by their “godfather” and Trotsky lover Irving Kristol, who pushed for a “war against terrorism” long before 9/11 and was lavishly funded for years by the CIA. His son, William Kristol, is one of the most influential men in the United States.

Both are public relations men for the Israeli lobby’s neo-conservative network, with strong ties to Rupert Murdoch. Kissinger also has ties to this network and the Carlyle Group, who, one could say, have facilitated these omnicidal wars beginning from the time former President Bush took office. It would be easy to say that we are recycling World Wars I and II, with the same faces.

When I asked Vietnam Special Ops Green Beret Capt. John McCarthy, who could have devised this omnicidal plan to use DU to destroy the genetic code and genetic future of large populations of Arabs and Moslems in the Middle East and Central Asia — just coincidentally the areas where most of the world’s oil deposits are located — he replied: “It has all the handprints of Henry Kissinger.”

In Zbignew Brzezinski’s book “The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy and Its Geostrategic Imperatives,” the map of the Eurasian chessboard includes four regions strategic to U.S. foreign policy. The “South” region corresponds precisely to the regions now contaminated permanently with radiation from U.S. bombs, missiles and bullets made with thousands of tons of DU.

A Japanese professor, Dr. K. Yagasaki, has calculated that 800 tons of DU is the atomicity equivalent of 83,000 Nagasaki bombs. The U.S. has used more DU since 1991 than the atomicity equivalent of 400,000 Nagasaki bombs. Four nuclear wars indeed, and 10 times the amount of radiation released into the atmosphere from atmospheric testing!

No wonder our soldiers, their families and the people of the Middle East, Yugoslavia and Central Asia are sick. But as Henry Kissinger said after Vietnam when our soldiers came home ill from Agent Orange, “Military men are just dumb stupid animals to be used for foreign policy.”

Unfortunately, more and more of those soldiers are men and women with brown skin. And unfortunately, the DU radioactive dust will be carried around the world and deposited in our environments just as the “smog of war” from the 1991 Gulf War was found in deposits in South America, the Himalayas and Hawaii.

In June 2003, the World Health Organization announced in a press release that global cancer rates will increase 50 percent by 2020. What else do they know that they aren’t telling us? I know that depleted uranium is a death sentence ... for all of us. We will all die in silent ways.

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kendothegreenwizard

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SocataSmoker

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Do I blame capitalism? Well, yes I do.
You can't blame capitalism... you can only blame greed and human nature.

Capitalism has provided so much for honest good people, jobs for communities, etc... capitalism can never be a bad thing, but human nature and greed most certainly can.
 

Padawanbater2

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You can't blame capitalism... you can only blame greed and human nature.

Capitalism has provided so much for honest good people, jobs for communities, etc... capitalism can never be a bad thing, but human nature and greed most certainly can.

This is pretty naive if you ask me bro..
 

dukeofbaja

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This is pretty naive if you ask me bro..
The only part I would say is naive is 'capitalism can NEVER be a bad thing'. It can be. Even though I am not a fan of capitalism per se, it has proven itself as one of the least abhorrent systems. Human nature, in the respect that greed does exist and is very real, is one of the spoliers. As well as others, like corporatization and diffusion of responsibility...capitalism seems like it could be a good system with decent regulation, which seems impossible nowadays. It seems like the folks they hire to regulate this shit are the same asshats who were knee deep in this shit at one time....
 

stonedmetalhead1

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You can't blame capitalism... you can only blame greed and human nature.
What do you think capitalism is or why it was implemented? It's driven by greed.

Capitalism has provided so much for honest good people, jobs for communities, etc... capitalism can never be a bad thing, but human nature and greed most certainly can.
It has also taken away high paying jobs and replaced them with low paying jobs as well as built up some communities while destroying others. There are benefits but they come at a cost. Without the competiton capitalism creates technology wouldn't have advanced as fast as it has. At the same time a smaller percentage of people than ever control the majority of the money. At this rate it won't be long until we are basically slaves. I'm not completely against capitalism but I do think corporations need better regulation from more informed people and not these jackasses that run our government.
 

SocataSmoker

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Touche...

I agree with most of the after points here...

Overall, I see capitalism as a good thing, and who's to say it was formed from greed... it in itself really wasn't "formed" from anything except perseverance to succeed and make someones quality of life better than before.

Everything will have its pro's and con's... and for most of history, capitalism's pro's have always outweighed the cons... seems as though it's going the other way now with these idiots in government, but that soon will be stopped.

And also, one must realize although sometimes circumstances can and do limit the ability of success for a person, most of the time, if a person strives to succeed and actually works hard at doing so, like the guys who built all these now yuppie ran corporations, they can achieve their dream.
 

medicineman

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The trouble with capitalism is: First one needs capital to make capital, or in laymans terms, Ya needs money to make money. The average high school grad, with no funds for college, that enters the job (or lack of) market, will never achieve the capital to make capital. Without parental funding or a 4.0 grade average, they are excluded from "Club success". There are the gifted atheletes, but that is another story. One cannot hope to become a successful capitalist without capital. When one lives on subsistence wages, there are no luxuries like stock portfolios or summers in the south of France. It's nose to the grindstone so hopefully one can achieve the American dream, Owning their own home. With the big rip-off by the banksters and wall street, even that meager dream has been exposed as a ponzi scheme by the elites. Now, the speculators, (Rich people), will buy all the foreclosures, get together and set a minimum rental price, say 1,000.00, and rent to all the former home buyers that will now need a rental, as their credit has been fucked to tears. I mean, where are all these forclosed families going to live, you guessed it, in their old home or their neighbors as rentors. This will be a huge moneymaking deal for the capitalists, the already rich pricks. Who said this will not end up as a class war?
 

redivider

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Deplete uranium is a huge skeleton in washingtons huge closet. Whoever said depleted uranium doesnt cause side effects should really try google
 

medicineman

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I have yet to see any scientific evidence showing DU munitions are linked to any health problems.
Keep drinkin the koolaid and keep those blinders on my friend. It is a fact that if you only rely on US media or US government reports, you'll never hear a word about it. Learn to go outside the box. Amazing what you can learn.
http://www.seattlepi.com/national/95178_du12.shtml
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1101-01.htm
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0113-01.htm

"The United States took its nuclear waste and threw it at Iraq," says physicist Doug Rokke, who was a member of the U.S. military's command staff on the team sent to clean up depleted uranium following the 1991 Persian Gulf War.
"You take solid radioactive waste, throw it in somebody's backyard and refuse to clean it up. That's what we've done."
So why did the Pentagon insist on using DU weapons in Iraq? Tungsten alloys would have worked as well. Depleted uranium, it turns out, has one tremendous advantage over tungsten. It is provided to weapons manufacturers nearly free of charge by the U.S. government-an ingenious method of radioactive waste disposal. Essentially, depleted uranium is the waste left over from decades of nuclear weapons development.
In fact, the UnitedStates has stockpiles of depleted uranium scattered at sites throughout the country-728,000 metric tons to be exact-a tiny fraction of which is used in the manufacture of depleted uranium warheads.
And in November 1999, NATO sent its commanders the following warning: "Inhalation of insoluble depleted uranium dust particles has been associated with long-term health effects, including cancers and birth defects."

 

Operation 420

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End the wars. Investigate current and former administrations for war crimes(Bush started this and Obama is escalating it. Just google "Obama Predator Drones Pakistan"). Uncover 9/11 truth in the process and wake people the fuck up to the evil that is being perpetrated on a daily basis worldwide by Khazar banksters.

Down with the Zionist Khazars.

Nice thread Med man.
 

Murfy

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The trouble with capitalism is: First one needs capital to make capital, or in laymans terms, Ya needs money to make money. The average high school grad, with no funds for college, that enters the job (or lack of) market, will never achieve the capital to make capital. Without parental funding or a 4.0 grade average, they are excluded from "Club success". There are the gifted atheletes, but that is another story. One cannot hope to become a successful capitalist without capital. When one lives on subsistence wages, there are no luxuries like stock portfolios or summers in the south of France. It's nose to the grindstone so hopefully one can achieve the American dream, Owning their own home. With the big rip-off by the banksters and wall street, even that meager dream has been exposed as a ponzi scheme by the elites. Now, the speculators, (Rich people), will buy all the foreclosures, get together and set a minimum rental price, say 1,000.00, and rent to all the former home buyers that will now need a rental, as their credit has been fucked to tears. I mean, where are all these forclosed families going to live, you guessed it, in their old home or their neighbors as rentors. This will be a huge moneymaking deal for the capitalists, the already rich pricks. Who said this will not end up as a class war?
yep-
murf..
 

Johnny Retro

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You dont need money to make money, you need brains and a strong back..
"rich people" are the ones who took advantage of this
 
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