Five myths about immigration
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Mindmelted
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You have provided NO facts just Crap.
And you are the one sounding like a idiot.
And you are the one sounding like a idiot.
ejo
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18077009/
http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/taxes/2008-04-10-immigrantstaxes_N.htm
http://www.migrationinformation.org/usfocus/display.cfm?ID=403
No facts? Appearantly the IRS and social security administration consider them facts. And again, why do blacks account for a third of the prison population while having 15 percent of the US demographics... while illegals only make up 5 percent while making up 5-8 percent of the US? Not to mention that illegal immigrants are much more likely to be detained for lesser crimes (they can be detained for even having a speeding ticket)
P.S. I'm from the Northwest... my area has one of the largest illegal immigration populations per capita in the US. So you can't say that I haven't encountered them.
No one here feels like having a mature conversation it seems, no wonder the topic creator feels like hes talking to a bunch of rednecks.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/taxes/2008-04-10-immigrantstaxes_N.htm
http://www.migrationinformation.org/usfocus/display.cfm?ID=403
No facts? Appearantly the IRS and social security administration consider them facts. And again, why do blacks account for a third of the prison population while having 15 percent of the US demographics... while illegals only make up 5 percent while making up 5-8 percent of the US? Not to mention that illegal immigrants are much more likely to be detained for lesser crimes (they can be detained for even having a speeding ticket)
P.S. I'm from the Northwest... my area has one of the largest illegal immigration populations per capita in the US. So you can't say that I haven't encountered them.
No one here feels like having a mature conversation it seems, no wonder the topic creator feels like hes talking to a bunch of rednecks.
Mindmelted
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Read post 114
Are you dense or something.
So in your dense veiw,Info from the FBI AND Homeland security is not worthy compared to irs.
Are you dense or something.
So in your dense veiw,Info from the FBI AND Homeland security is not worthy compared to irs.
golddog
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FW: Stats from LA time on Illegal's
Thought you would enjoy this little tidbit of info. Surprised the LA Times published these stats.
Just One State - be sure and read the last part..
This is only one State................If this doesn't open eyes, nothing will!
From the L. A. Times
1. 40% of all workers in L. A. County ( L. A. County has 10.2 million people) are working for cash and not paying taxes.
This is because they are predominantly illegal immigrants working without a green card.
2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.
3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.
4. Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal, whose births were paid for by taxpayers.
5. Nearly 35% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.
6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.
7... The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.
8 Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.
9. 21 radio stations in L. A. are Spanish speaking.
10. In L.. A. County 5.1 million people speak English, 3.9 million speak Spanish.. (There are 10.2 million people in L. A. County .)
(All 10 of the above facts were published in the Los Angeles Times)
Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops, but 29% are on welfare. Over 70% of the United States ' annual population growth(and over 90% of California , Florida , and New York ) results from immigration. 29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens .
Thought you would enjoy this little tidbit of info. Surprised the LA Times published these stats.
Just One State - be sure and read the last part..
This is only one State................If this doesn't open eyes, nothing will!
From the L. A. Times
1. 40% of all workers in L. A. County ( L. A. County has 10.2 million people) are working for cash and not paying taxes.
This is because they are predominantly illegal immigrants working without a green card.
2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.
3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.
4. Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal, whose births were paid for by taxpayers.
5. Nearly 35% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.
6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.
7... The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.
8 Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.
9. 21 radio stations in L. A. are Spanish speaking.
10. In L.. A. County 5.1 million people speak English, 3.9 million speak Spanish.. (There are 10.2 million people in L. A. County .)
(All 10 of the above facts were published in the Los Angeles Times)
Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops, but 29% are on welfare. Over 70% of the United States ' annual population growth(and over 90% of California , Florida , and New York ) results from immigration. 29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens .
ejo
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Hey, instead of nitpicking cities how about overal crime rates? I can make whites look bad too if I post crime stats from Seattle or Boston...or make blacks look bad if I post information from New Orleans or Detroit. None of you have addressed why Illegal immigrants lower incarcerations rates than many Americans (especially citizen blacks). why are you guys conveniently forgeting this fact?
ejo
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1. 40% of all workers in L.A. County (L.A. County has 10.2 million people) Fiction!
Economic Roundtable in Los Angeles issued a report in 2005 on what it called "L.A's Off-The-Books labor force." Its research was about the city of Los Angeles, not the entire county, and concluded that there were 3,908,000 wage earners in the city and about 972,000 "informal workers," meaning they were getting paid under the table. It does not break down how many of them might have been illegal aliens, but the percentage was no where near 40 percent. Los Angeles Almanac estimated number of "unreported jobs" in 2005 in Los Angeles County at 643,000 with a number of workers at 4,090.630.
2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens-Mostly Truth!
The most commonly quoted source for this is a report by Heather McDonald and published by the Center for Immigration Studies. She repeated her research on April 13, 2005 in testimony before the House Judiciary Subcommittee on "Immigration, Border Security, and Claims" saying that 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide in Los Angeles targeted illegal aliens.
3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens-Unproven!
We could not find anything to substantiate this. If you browse through the Most Wanted list for the Los Angeles Police Department there are a lot of foreign-born listed, but not how many of them may be illegal aliens.
4. Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal, whose births were paid for by taxpayers-Inaccurate!
According to a report by the Los Angeles Times, about half the births in Los Angeles County in 2004 were to undocumented women. In 1989 California required by law that the state Medi-Cal program be available to pregnant women living in poverty.
5. Nearly 25% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally-Fiction!
National statistics would tend to suggest that this claim is not true. A 2007 report by the Immigration Policy Center said that among men 18-39, which represents the majority of prison inmates, the incarceration rate of foreign born was 0.7 percent while the incarceration rate of native born was 3.5 percent. Foreign born Mexicans had an incarceration rate of 0.7 percent in 2000 compared with 5.9 percent for native born men of Mexican descent. The report did not say how many of the foreign born were illegal. A 1993 report to the California Joint Committee on Prison Construction and Operations estimated that more than 15 percent of the 116,000 state prison inmates were illegal aliens. In her congressional testimony (referenced above), Heather McDonald said that the L.A. County Sheriff reported in 2000 that 23% of inmates in county jails were deportable, according to the New York Times. That's all inmates, however, not just Mexicans.
6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages-Unproven!
It is known that large numbers of illegal immigrants are crammed into houses and apartments that are too small for the number of people living in them and that others are living in garages, but we could not find anyone who kept statistics on garage-dwellers or how anybody would know their numbers.
7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border-Unproven!
It is known that gangs do include illegal aliens but coming up with a reliable statistic would be difficult. Again, the gangs operate underground.
8. Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal-Unproven!
9. 21 radio stations in L.A. are Spanish speaking-Mostly Truth!
As the Spanish-speaking population of Los Angeles has grown so has the presence of Spanish-speaking media. We counted about 18 stations in Los Angeles that are either Spanish or are multi-cultural and include Spanish in their music or programming. At this writing, four of the top ten stations in Los Angeles are Spanish and the number-one station is usually Spanish.
10. In L.A. County 5.1 million people speak English. 3.9 million speak Spanish. (There are 10.2 million people in L.A. County )-Inaccurate But the Real Figures Support the Point!
The U.S.Census Bureau reported that as of 2004, 3.9 million people in L.A.County spoke only English at home; 3.7 million spoke primarily Spanish at home.
11. Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops, but 29% are on welfare-Fiction!
The U.S. department of Labor said that the number of farm workers who were undocumented in 1998-1998 was 52% .
Regarding welfare, most illegal immigrants are not eligible for welfare except for elementary and high school education and emergency medical care. Children born in the U.S. are citizens and qualify for certain public assistance. But what is generally thought of as welfare is available only to citizens or legal immigrants.
12. Over 70% of the United States annual population growth (and over 90% of California , Florida , and New York) is illegal aliens-Fiction!
The U.S. Department of Homeland Security estimates that the number of illegal aliens increased in 2000 by 408,000 while the general population increased by 32,712,033
Isnt it funny how just earlier I made fun of you guys for posting internet rumours instead of real sources?
Economic Roundtable in Los Angeles issued a report in 2005 on what it called "L.A's Off-The-Books labor force." Its research was about the city of Los Angeles, not the entire county, and concluded that there were 3,908,000 wage earners in the city and about 972,000 "informal workers," meaning they were getting paid under the table. It does not break down how many of them might have been illegal aliens, but the percentage was no where near 40 percent. Los Angeles Almanac estimated number of "unreported jobs" in 2005 in Los Angeles County at 643,000 with a number of workers at 4,090.630.
2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens-Mostly Truth!
The most commonly quoted source for this is a report by Heather McDonald and published by the Center for Immigration Studies. She repeated her research on April 13, 2005 in testimony before the House Judiciary Subcommittee on "Immigration, Border Security, and Claims" saying that 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide in Los Angeles targeted illegal aliens.
3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens-Unproven!
We could not find anything to substantiate this. If you browse through the Most Wanted list for the Los Angeles Police Department there are a lot of foreign-born listed, but not how many of them may be illegal aliens.
4. Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal, whose births were paid for by taxpayers-Inaccurate!
According to a report by the Los Angeles Times, about half the births in Los Angeles County in 2004 were to undocumented women. In 1989 California required by law that the state Medi-Cal program be available to pregnant women living in poverty.
5. Nearly 25% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally-Fiction!
National statistics would tend to suggest that this claim is not true. A 2007 report by the Immigration Policy Center said that among men 18-39, which represents the majority of prison inmates, the incarceration rate of foreign born was 0.7 percent while the incarceration rate of native born was 3.5 percent. Foreign born Mexicans had an incarceration rate of 0.7 percent in 2000 compared with 5.9 percent for native born men of Mexican descent. The report did not say how many of the foreign born were illegal. A 1993 report to the California Joint Committee on Prison Construction and Operations estimated that more than 15 percent of the 116,000 state prison inmates were illegal aliens. In her congressional testimony (referenced above), Heather McDonald said that the L.A. County Sheriff reported in 2000 that 23% of inmates in county jails were deportable, according to the New York Times. That's all inmates, however, not just Mexicans.
6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages-Unproven!
It is known that large numbers of illegal immigrants are crammed into houses and apartments that are too small for the number of people living in them and that others are living in garages, but we could not find anyone who kept statistics on garage-dwellers or how anybody would know their numbers.
7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border-Unproven!
It is known that gangs do include illegal aliens but coming up with a reliable statistic would be difficult. Again, the gangs operate underground.
8. Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal-Unproven!
9. 21 radio stations in L.A. are Spanish speaking-Mostly Truth!
As the Spanish-speaking population of Los Angeles has grown so has the presence of Spanish-speaking media. We counted about 18 stations in Los Angeles that are either Spanish or are multi-cultural and include Spanish in their music or programming. At this writing, four of the top ten stations in Los Angeles are Spanish and the number-one station is usually Spanish.
10. In L.A. County 5.1 million people speak English. 3.9 million speak Spanish. (There are 10.2 million people in L.A. County )-Inaccurate But the Real Figures Support the Point!
The U.S.Census Bureau reported that as of 2004, 3.9 million people in L.A.County spoke only English at home; 3.7 million spoke primarily Spanish at home.
11. Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops, but 29% are on welfare-Fiction!
The U.S. department of Labor said that the number of farm workers who were undocumented in 1998-1998 was 52% .
Regarding welfare, most illegal immigrants are not eligible for welfare except for elementary and high school education and emergency medical care. Children born in the U.S. are citizens and qualify for certain public assistance. But what is generally thought of as welfare is available only to citizens or legal immigrants.
12. Over 70% of the United States annual population growth (and over 90% of California , Florida , and New York) is illegal aliens-Fiction!
The U.S. Department of Homeland Security estimates that the number of illegal aliens increased in 2000 by 408,000 while the general population increased by 32,712,033
Isnt it funny how just earlier I made fun of you guys for posting internet rumours instead of real sources?
Mindmelted
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Now your the expert,Pleas show us where you came up with it is fact or fiction crap you state.
But yet everything you post is right on the money huh...cough,,BullShit.
But yet everything you post is right on the money huh...cough,,BullShit.
golddog
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If you want to know more about the problem goggle
"Special 40 Los Angeles"
This is the special order enacted in 1979 which caused much of the problem.
Ejo, I know you don't agree, but I quoted a very liberal source. The Los Angeles Times.
You should say things like "I don't agree with the Los Angeles Times" or something like that. I usually don't agree with what they say either.
You are the one that asked for sources, I just provided them.
"Special 40 Los Angeles"
This is the special order enacted in 1979 which caused much of the problem.
Ejo, I know you don't agree, but I quoted a very liberal source. The Los Angeles Times.
You should say things like "I don't agree with the Los Angeles Times" or something like that. I usually don't agree with what they say either.
You are the one that asked for sources, I just provided them.
ejo
Member
Did you even read? Department of labor means nothing? Economic roundtable? The Los Angeles times?
By the way thats a fake internet posting from the Los Angeles times, they never published it.
You guys are posting fake articles and calling me an idiot? lol Some one you right wingers have some crazy agenda.
By the way thats a fake internet posting from the Los Angeles times, they never published it.
You guys are posting fake articles and calling me an idiot? lol Some one you right wingers have some crazy agenda.
ejo
Member
Except that the Los Angeles times never wrote that and was likely made up by some fanatical righ wing nutjob or someone that just hates immigrants. Not a single source posted so far guys.
Big P
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ejo go to mexico this is america we only want legal immigrants here, if you dont like it get the fuck out and let your fellow mexos rape your fams and kill you, you wanna just gloss over the hard facts we post about how the border states have become psudo foriegn countries
you have the nerve to talk about knit pickin when you are tryying to gloss over the very facts you claim have not even been posted in here
what are you blind? stupid? a lieing sack of human excrement? you think we are iddiots?
your a fool,
then you wanna post up stories from horribly skewed media organisations that are in obamas pocket looooooooooool MSNBC??? are you fucking kidding me kiddo
who do you think we are little buddy?
you would be surprised what caliber people you may be talking to on here.
how much do you make and how much do you take if you dont mind me asking juan?
its one thing getting raped off my hard labour for my own countrymens benifit, but ill be god fuckin damned if i let forieners come in here and take my fucking shit, WTF is that shit lollol do you let stranger come into your house and take shit? its not its like its your fucking freindly niebors coming to you asking for help,
like its not enough all the billions we pay out to forieng countries already
we got the shit end of the america stick and im ready to fight if its time, i am ready.
some of you guys i hope do not carry the same attitude on the streets cuz if you did you know what would happen but yet you seem to advicate this demise for your own country. for that you are traitors
you should do the right thing and renounce your citizenship
stupid fucking hippies makin the world worse lol
nice job if the WWII gen was the greatest generation, i say the baby boobers are the most selfish and self destructive generation america has ever had the incredible shame to create
narrcacitic selfish, know it alls who know nothing but thier own little fabricated worlds in thier heads from a bygone era, fighting bygone boogymen while they sow the seeds of thier own childrens destruction
you have the nerve to talk about knit pickin when you are tryying to gloss over the very facts you claim have not even been posted in here
what are you blind? stupid? a lieing sack of human excrement? you think we are iddiots?
your a fool,
then you wanna post up stories from horribly skewed media organisations that are in obamas pocket looooooooooool MSNBC??? are you fucking kidding me kiddo
who do you think we are little buddy?
you would be surprised what caliber people you may be talking to on here.
how much do you make and how much do you take if you dont mind me asking juan?
its one thing getting raped off my hard labour for my own countrymens benifit, but ill be god fuckin damned if i let forieners come in here and take my fucking shit, WTF is that shit lollol do you let stranger come into your house and take shit? its not its like its your fucking freindly niebors coming to you asking for help,
like its not enough all the billions we pay out to forieng countries already
we got the shit end of the america stick and im ready to fight if its time, i am ready.
some of you guys i hope do not carry the same attitude on the streets cuz if you did you know what would happen but yet you seem to advicate this demise for your own country. for that you are traitors
you should do the right thing and renounce your citizenship
stupid fucking hippies makin the world worse lol
nice job if the WWII gen was the greatest generation, i say the baby boobers are the most selfish and self destructive generation america has ever had the incredible shame to create
narrcacitic selfish, know it alls who know nothing but thier own little fabricated worlds in thier heads from a bygone era, fighting bygone boogymen while they sow the seeds of thier own childrens destruction
ejo
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Awesome, thats 4 people that
A- Haven't provided a single legitamate source
B- Resort to rambling instead of debating.
C- Have nothing better to say.
I was just called an illegal immigrant for posting fctual information with sources and links to support my argument... none of you right wingers can do the same?
A- Haven't provided a single legitamate source
B- Resort to rambling instead of debating.
C- Have nothing better to say.
I was just called an illegal immigrant for posting fctual information with sources and links to support my argument... none of you right wingers can do the same?
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