Five myths about immigration

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abe23

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Five myths about immigratiion

By Doris Meissner | Posted: Monday, May 3, 2010 12:00 am

Despite the fact that we are a nation of immigrants — or perhaps because of it — immigration continues to be one of America's most contentious topics. The new law in Arizona authorizing police to arrest individuals who cannot show documents proving that they are in the country legally has set off a fresh bout of acrimony. But as in the past, much of the debate is founded on mythology.

Myth — Immigrants take jobs from American workers.

Although immigrants account for 12.5 percent of the U.S. population, they make up about 15 percent of the workforce. They are overrepresented among workers largely because the rest of our population is aging: Immigrants and their children have accounted for 58 percent of U.S. population growth since 1980. Low U.S. fertility rates and the upcoming retirement of the baby boomers mean immigration is likely to be the only source of growth in the ‘prime age’ workforce — workers ages 25 to 55 — in the decades ahead.

It’s true that an influx of new workers pushes wages down, but immigration also stimulates growth by creating new consumers, entrepreneurs and investors. As a result of this growth, economists estimate that wages for the vast majority of American workers are slightly higher than they would be without immigration. U.S. workers without a high school degree experience wage declines as a result of competition from immigrants, but these losses are modest, at just over 1 percent.

Myth — Immigration is at an all-time high, and most new immigrants came illegally.

The historic high came more than a century ago, in 1890, when immigrants made up 14.8 percent off our population. Today, about two-thirds of immigrants are here legally, either as naturalized citizens or as lawful permanent residents. Of the approximately 10.8 million immigrants in the country illegally, about 40 percent arrived legally but overstayed their visas.

Although the unauthorized population includes more people from Mexico than from any other country, Mexicans are also the largest group of lawful immigrants.

Myth — Today's immigrants are not integrating into American life like past waves did.

The integration of immigrants remains a hallmark of America's vitality as a society and a source of admiration abroad. While some people complain that today's immigrants are not integrating into U.S. society as quickly as previous newcomers did, the same charge was leveled at virtually every past wave of immigrants, including the Germans, Irish and Italians who arrived in the 19th and early 20th centuries.

Today, as before, immigrant integration takes a generation or two. Learning English is one key driver of this process; the education and upward mobility of immigrants’ children is the other. On the first count, today’s immigrants consistently seek English instruction in such large numbers that adult-education programs cannot meet the demand. On the second count, the No Child Left Behind Act has played a critical role in helping educate immigrant children.

Myth — Cracking down on illegal border crossings will make us safer.

Since Sept. 11, 2001, we have dramatically strengthened our borders through the use of biometrics at ports of entry, secure cargo-shipment systems, intelligence gathering, integrated databases and increased international cooperation. The Border Patrol has nearly doubled in size in the past five years, to more than 20,000 agents. The Department of Homeland Security says it is on schedule to meet congressional mandates for southwestern border enforcement, including fence-building.

The seasoned enforcement officials I have spoken with all contend that if we provided enough visas to meet the economy’s demand for workers, agents would be free to clamp down on drug-trafficking, smuggling and cartel violence.

Myth — Immigration reform cannot happen in an election year.

The politics of immigration can be explosive. However, all the significant immigration bills enacted in recent decades, one in 1980, others in 1986, 1990 and 1996, were passed in election years, often at the last minute and after fractious debates.

The to-do list for this Congress is substantial. But ruling out immigration reform would be a mistake. The outline for immigration legislation that Sen. Charles Schumer, D -N.Y., unveiled last week, together with the uproar over the Arizona law, may help convince lawmakers that there’s no time like the present.

(Meissner served as commissioner of the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service from 1993 to 2000. This essay first appeared in the Washington Post.)
 

fitch303

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Illegals are ILLEGAL, what the fuck else do you need to know? Put the national guard on the boarder with mini bases every 100 miles or so and build a wall like the Israelis and everything should be good. And yes, I'll gladly pay more in taxes to fund construction of that wall.
 

abe23

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Pot is illegal too. Are you willing to pay to imprison people who grow it and use it?
 

medicineman

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Here's a fact most probably don't know. Housing construction has been taken over by Illegals. The average wage has been cut at least in half and in some circumstances even more. Contractors pay in cash, thereby eliminating their costs in paying taxes and FICA. The Price of a new house never went down untill the crash, even though the cost of labor went down by 60+%. Now here is another little ditty about illegals: My grandkids go to a title one school because of the dense population of Latinos in My district. Title one schools get way more benefits than regular schools. They serve breakfast before school starts and lunch for free. They have free tutoring for all slow students. While all Clark county schools are cutting back, Title one (Federally funded) schools are not feeling the pinch. Although this is wonderful for my grandkids, they are vastly outnumbered by Latinos at their school, I'd say about at least 95-1. When I show up in the afternoon to pick them up from school, all you hear is spanish being spoken, and they are extremely cliqueish, and are not at all friendly to us whities. They actually have a superior attitude. The whole school is administered by Latinos and teachers are mandated to speak spanish. When I show up, I feel as if I am in Mexico and not the USofA. We in the southwest are under siege. They came for the jobs and stayed for the benefits. Your tax dollars at work. Am I prejudiced, maybe, but only because of what I see. I used to have a bunch of Latino friends when I lived in Ca., those mexican weddings were the most fun places I've ever been to. I do have a couple of Mexican neighbors that I'm friendly with, and I'm sure I'll probably have more in the future. I'm a little worried about Gangs coming to my neighborhood, I guess we'll see.
 

Keenly2

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these are people were talking about


yet others treat them like they are some how inferior human beings


the american superiority syndrome
 

CaRNiFReeK

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JOE LEGAL vs. JOSE ILLEGAL

You have two families: "Joe Legal" and "Jose Illegal".
Both families have two parents, two children, and live in California.

Joe Legal works in construction, has a Social Security Number and makes $25.00 per hour with taxes deducted.
Jose Illegal also works in construction, has NO Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash "under the table".

Joe Legal: $25.00 per hour x 40 hours = $1000.00 per week, or $52,000.00 per year. Now take 30% away for state and federal tax; Joe Legal now has $31,231.00.
Jose Illegal: $15.00 per hour x 40 hours = $600.00 per week, or $31,200.00 per year. Jose Illegal pays no taxes. Jose Illegal now has $31,200.00.

Joe Legal pays medical and dental insurance with limited coverage for his family at $600.00 per month, or $7,200.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $24,031.00.
Jose Illegal has full medical and dental coverage through the state and local clinics at a cost of $0.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.

Joe Legal makes too much money and is not eligible for food stamps or welfare. Joe Legal pays $500.00 per month for food, or $6,000.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $18,031.00.

Jose Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for food stamps and welfare. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.

Joe Legal pays rent of $1,200.00 per month, or $14,400.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $9,631.00.
Jose Illegal receives a $500.00 per month federal rent subsidy. Jose Illegal pays out that $500.00 per month, or $6,000.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $ 31,200.00.

Joe Legal pays $200.00 per month, or $2,400.00 for auto insurance. Joe Legal now has $7,231.00.

Jose Illegal says, "We don't need no stinkin' insurance!" and still has $31,200.00.

Joe Legal has to make his $7,231.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, etc.

Jose Illegal has to make his $31,200.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, and what he sends out of the country every month.

Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after work.
Jose Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.

Joe Legal's and Jose Illegal's children both attend the same school. Joe Legal pays for his children's lunches while Jose Illegal's children get a government sponsored lunch. Jose Illegal's children have an after school ESL program. Joe Legal's children go home.

Joe Legal and Jose Illegal both enjoy the same police and fire services, but Joe paid for them and Jose did not pay.

Do you get it, now?
 

medicineman

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JOE LEGAL vs. JOSE ILLEGAL

You have two families: "Joe Legal" and "Jose Illegal".
Both families have two parents, two children, and live in California.

Joe Legal works in construction, has a Social Security Number and makes $25.00 per hour with taxes deducted.
Jose Illegal also works in construction, has NO Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash "under the table".

Joe Legal: $25.00 per hour x 40 hours = $1000.00 per week, or $52,000.00 per year. Now take 30% away for state and federal tax; Joe Legal now has $31,231.00.
Jose Illegal: $15.00 per hour x 40 hours = $600.00 per week, or $31,200.00 per year. Jose Illegal pays no taxes. Jose Illegal now has $31,200.00.

Joe Legal pays medical and dental insurance with limited coverage for his family at $600.00 per month, or $7,200.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $24,031.00.
Jose Illegal has full medical and dental coverage through the state and local clinics at a cost of $0.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.

Joe Legal makes too much money and is not eligible for food stamps or welfare. Joe Legal pays $500.00 per month for food, or $6,000.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $18,031.00.

Jose Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for food stamps and welfare. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.

Joe Legal pays rent of $1,200.00 per month, or $14,400.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $9,631.00.
Jose Illegal receives a $500.00 per month federal rent subsidy. Jose Illegal pays out that $500.00 per month, or $6,000.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $ 31,200.00.

Joe Legal pays $200.00 per month, or $2,400.00 for auto insurance. Joe Legal now has $7,231.00.

Jose Illegal says, "We don't need no stinkin' insurance!" and still has $31,200.00.

Joe Legal has to make his $7,231.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, etc.

Jose Illegal has to make his $31,200.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, and what he sends out of the country every month.

Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after work.
Jose Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.

Joe Legal's and Jose Illegal's children both attend the same school. Joe Legal pays for his children's lunches while Jose Illegal's children get a government sponsored lunch. Jose Illegal's children have an after school ESL program. Joe Legal's children go home.

Joe Legal and Jose Illegal both enjoy the same police and fire services, but Joe paid for them and Jose did not pay.

Do you get it, now?
Although that is a little exagerated, the basic premise is definently true. I send my grandkids to a title one school, (Mexican primary) US government paid for, unlike the regular schools that are state funded by property taxes. I live in that district. My grandbabies get all the good stuff for free, along with every mexican/latino that lives in the district. The ratio in this school is about 95-1 latinos. Fortunately, being part American Indian, My grandkids fit right in. Free pre-school breakfasts, free lunch, free tutoring and any special needs are attended to. The basic language at the school is english, although all teachers must speak spanish, and many of the kindergarteners or first time students, don't speak a word of english. When I go to pick up my grandkids, it feels like I'm in Tijuana, not a word of english do I hear untill the 3-5th grade students come out. We in the Southwest have definently been invaded.
 

undertheice

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these are people were talking about
yet others treat them like they are some how inferior human beings
the american superiority syndrome
what a load of crap. no one said anything about anyone being inferior, merely that they are here illegally and it is having a detrimental effect on those that are here legally and our society as a whole. the only superiority anyone is saying anything about is the superiority of the american lifestyle and earning power over that on the other side of the border. why the hell do you think millions of mexican citizens steal across the border for the opportunities this nation affords? considering the billions this nation spreads around the world in both public and private aid, is it too much to ask that they stay where they are and try to build those benefits into their own countries? instead they come here; siphoning off our social services, taking jobs that could be used to free many of our own poor from their servitude to the state and lowering wages to boot, then sending a great deal of those earnings out of the country and eventually retiring back to their own country with what they have earned here. this is the reality of illegal immigration. nothing about inferiority, merely a matter of citizenship and its benefits. it may seem unfair that some are born in countries that lack the advantages we take for granted while others are lucky enough to win the citizenship lottery, but life ain't fair. get used to it.
 

hanimmal

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Illegals are ILLEGAL, what the fuck else do you need to know? Put the national guard on the boarder with mini bases every 100 miles or so and build a wall like the Israelis and everything should be good. And yes, I'll gladly pay more in taxes to fund construction of that wall.
Yeah it worked out great for the Israelis didn't it?

Blah blah blah...

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Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after work.
Jose Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.

Joe Legal's and Jose Illegal's children both attend the same school. Joe Legal pays for his children's lunches while Jose Illegal's children get a government sponsored lunch. Jose Illegal's children have an after school ESL program. Joe Legal's children go home.

Joe Legal and Jose Illegal both enjoy the same police and fire services, but Joe paid for them and Jose did not pay.

Do you get it, now?
Joe Legal breaks his hip and cannot work for a month, goes on unemployment and since he has insurance they pay for him to get better, if he has the option they will also pay his bills for that period.
Jose illegal breaks his hip and has nothing, loses his job for not working and no money because as people love to say he sent it all home.


Joe Legal is driving to work and someone runs a red light and smashes into his car. Because he is legal and has all his paperwork everything gets worked out and they pay for his car to be fixed.
Jose Illegal gets nothing because his documents are either non existent or falsified. He gets detained.


Joe legal is ready to buy a home and goes to the bank to get a loan. Everything goes well and he and his family now has a place to live.
Jose illegal is stuck living in places with no paperwork or willing to accept false information.

Joe legal wants to go on vacation and visit family in europe and has no problem.
Jose illegal wants to see his wife and kids but cannot because that would mean having to make the trip across the border again and possibly not getting back (which means his family would suffer).

Joe legal is ready to retire. Uses his 401k to pay for it along with social securities, medicare for insurance, and lives out a happy end of his days.
Jose illegal works until he is dead.



And ps, you cannot count schools because if their children are born here, they are american citizens and jose legal's. And people love to forget that there is taxes on purchases that are collected, plus any permits, income that people make off their work is government revenue, ect. So to the states they are very important. It is to the Federal that doesn't get much revenue, but they don't see much from what was it 47% of american citizens? So how is that much different?


We can all play this what if came to whatever silly conclusion you wish to.

But you all make it seem like we don't have every opportunity over the immigrants. I don't get why you all are so scared of these people. Have you been unable to get a job because they were a better choice of hire?

Look up any racially troubled times in our history and you will see you are making the same tired panicked statements that they 'rationally' made back then.

And every time we have excepted people in the past as being full citizens (black people, Asians, women) we have improved our economies greatly.
 

estesj

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these are people were talking about


yet others treat them like they are some how inferior human beings


the american superiority syndrome
Yes but people that need to stay in there own #ucking land or take the steps to become a citizen and learn the #ucking language!
 

estesj

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Amnesty for what crime? Do you mean just send them back home no questions asked or do you mean amnesty for breaking U.S laws?
 

hanimmal

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Here's a fact most probably don't know. Housing construction has been taken over by Illegals. The average wage has been cut at least in half and in some circumstances even more. Contractors pay in cash, thereby eliminating their costs in paying taxes and FICA. The Price of a new house never went down untill the crash, even though the cost of labor went down by 60+%.
The cost of getting labor to build the house went down (for labor, but oil prices rose, wood prices rose, steel, iron for nails, ect), that doesn't mean that the cost of buying the house is going to go down. That is just profit by who ever sells it or the owner of the company.
 

abe23

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Amnesty for what crime? Do you mean just send them back home no questions asked or do you mean amnesty for breaking U.S laws?


No, that's called deportation. I'm asking whether you would support giving undocumented aliens a path towards US citizenship once they pay fines/back taxes and go through the green card process? Because that's what it seemed like you meant by taking "steps to become a citizen and learn the #ucking language!".
 

robert 14617

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Amnesty for what crime? Do you mean just send them back home no questions asked or do you mean amnesty for breaking U.S laws?
i never get amnesty for breaking the law no matter how much i cry or wine like a sniveling little bitch , thats just been my expedience, it may be diff for the people breaking federal laws
 

estesj

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No because they should have done it right the first time. Now there actions make them sneaky little wet backs and should get no second chance!
 
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