Are all Rerverse-Osmosis systems the same?

JohneyGreenApple

Active Member
Hey everyone, so I was looking at a hydrologic stealth RO system the otherday and when I noticed the price of nearly $350 I was shocked. I have seen many different models of RO systems at our local homedepo and menards and wondered what is the big difference?:-|

Many inputs would be greatly appreciated as this seems like a good topic to bring into the eyes of the public consumer! :mrgreen:
 

bigb1987

Well-Known Member
RO is RO to me. Some of the ones have extra filters and iv sterilization all just a ploy to get more money. I bought a cheap 200 dollar one and get 0 ppm 0 ec 6.8-7.2 usualy 7 ph value
 

JohneyGreenApple

Active Member
Thank you for your input BIG, I have seen some as cheap as $109 and im wondering how they can be so cheap at menards and be so expensive at the hydro store.....
I know the biggest factor of course is the rate they will pump at such as 100gallons a day or 50 gallons a day and ect. But Im just trying to get more insight on this subject as I dont believe I have ever read it here on RIU! :joint:

RO is RO to me. Some of the ones have extra filters and iv sterilization all just a ploy to get more money. I bought a cheap 200 dollar one and get 0 ppm 0 ec 6.8-7.2 usualy 7 ph value
 

fatman7574

New Member
The membranes used in the RO filter's can vary in capacity and rejection ratio. The better membranes are rated at 75 gpd or higher. One of the top brands is Dow Filmtec. An equivalent filter is an applied membranes filter (ie the Dow membrane manufacturer).


Be leery of anyone who says they obtain zero ppm water from a RO filter. Even the best RO membranes have only a 96% to 98% rejection rate. That means if your water goes in at 400 ppm TDS, it will come out at bets with a TDS of between 8 and 16 ppm. A good DI cartridge could drop that to Zero ppm. Does that means everything but H2O has been removed. No. It just means conductive salts have been removed.

However in general the only major difference in most RO filters is the bells and whistles they add. For examples: 1) Pressure gages are sold on some so you can see how much the pressure drips going through the pre filters. If there is a significant drop you need to change the prefilters. Most people such as reef keepers and growers just replace the prefilters every 6 months whether they need it or not. 2) Prefilters are sold in different micro ratings. You do not need prefilters smaller than the typical 5 micron pore size of your carbon block filter. 3) Carbon filters can be GAC (granulated activated carbon), carbon block or catalyzed carbon blocks made to remove chloroamine. Unless You have chloroamine in your water a simple GAC filter is all that is needed, however carbon block filters are m now often sold as cheaply as the GAC filters. 4) Filter systems can also have DI (deionizing) cartridges. Very few growers will ever benefit by the extra TDS removal provided by the DI filters. In reality most of the removal capacity of a DI filters resins are quickly used up by CO2 from the carbonates left in the water after the Calcium and magnesium are removed by the RO filter. 5) Some filter systems come with TDS meters built in to show the TDS of the water before it enters the DI filters and after it leaves the DI filters. This will give you an indication of the RO membrane performance and the DI cartridge performance. 6) Some RO filter systems come with a pressure booster pump or a permeate pump to improve the total water volume produced if you have low tap water pressure. 7) Some systems are made principally to provide filtered water for drinking and therefore come with a small storage tank and faucet. They often have membranes with onlt a 85% rejection rate.

The best option for an RO filter is the membrane reverse flush set up. This allows the flushing of minerals and sediments out of the membrane and its housing. This increases the life span of the expensive membrane and keeps the membrane production rate from declining.

http://www.thefilterguys.biz/ro_di_systems.htm

99% of growers will obtain great results cheaply with a simple RO filter system from The Filter Guys. I would recommend the simple $124 model. Check with your water supplier to see if they use chloramine. If so order the optional carbon filter made to remove chloramine. The guys that put together and sell these filters are great guys. They will put together what ever you want. They answer emails quickly even on week ends and holidays. They will even give you therir home phone numbers. Great guys, greta equipment and great prices. I gurantee if you find some expensive system you think is the greatest send a link of the system to The Filter Guys and they will provide an equivalent or evem better system for a lower cost.
 

iivan740

Well-Known Member
Heres a link for you though as I found great prices if your interested in the advertisment end! :)

http://www.purewaterclub.com/
I bought their 0 ppm Reverse Osmosis 2 OUTPUT RODI WaterFilter ROH-6B2W-150 and can tell you that it consistantly puts out 0-4 ppm water. It was substantially cheaper than the competition and IMO just as good or better than the competition. I am constantly turning it on and off, and it deals great with low pressure situations.

Their plastic float valves are decent but not perfect. For the price of 5 bucks their great, noone else can even come close to the price. However If you buy their plastic float valves buy a few extra. About 1 in 13-15 will not work properly for one reason or another.
 

fatman7574

New Member
Thanks Fat man you always have useful advice as well! :)
Heres a link for you though as I found great prices if your interested in the advertisment end! :)

http://www.purewaterclub.com/
They use cheap RO membranes. Hell, they are so proud of the membranes they use they do not even divulge the brand name. It makes me wanna buy their garbage. NOT. If your not getting a Dow Film Tec or an Applied Membranes brand RO membrane you are getting a low quality membrane. Why pay a few dollars less to get poorer quality. As far as a 100 gpd membrane. They do not exist. They are 75 gpd membranes listed as 100 gpd. Spectra Pure Started pulling that stunt a few years ago. Their story was they test all the the Dow FilmTec 75 gpd membranes after treating them with a proprietary prepping agent. The agent sold by Applied Membranes gives them a teporary capacity of 100 gpd. Yepper, for about an hour or so. The agent is a storage solution used for long term membrane storage. It merely keeps the membrane soft and pliable until it used at a later date. IE it extends the shelf life. The temporary soft pliability increases flow through the membarne pores temporarily. It also means a higher TDS water during that period of time. Ethical dealers do not sell 75 gpd membranes as 100 gpd as does Spectra Pure and Purewater Club. Also note that none of Purewaterclubs prefilters or carbon cartridge housings are clear poly carbonate. One is a blue plastic (cheap polypropelene plastic) the other two are white polypropylene or PVC. That is about the cheapest most easily broken plastic available. (Nice quality, Huh?) The other two are even a cheaper plastic.

Quality systems have all prefilter and carbon housing made of clear polycarbonate housings. IE the Purewaterclub equipment is all cheaped down equipment made with the cheapest parts available regardless of the lower quality.
 

JohneyGreenApple

Active Member
Thanks again for your input FatMan, I will take your word as always.
As for the Filter guys RO system you recommended, I will go with it and if it isnt up to par can I give you hell for it and negative feedback every one of your posts? haha :eyesmoke:

They use cheap RO membranes. Hell, they are so proud of the membranes they use they do not even divulge the brand name. It makes me wanna buy their garbage. NOT. If your not getting a Dow Film Tec or an Applied Membranes brand RO membrane you are getting a low quality membrane. Why pay a few dollars less to get poorer quality. As far as a 100 gpd membrane. They do not exist. They are 75 gpd membranes listed as 100 gpd. Spectra Pure Started pulling that stunt a few years ago. Their story was they test all the the Dow FilmTec 75 gpd membranes after treating them with a proprietary prepping agent. The agent sold by Applied Membranes gives them a teporary capacity of 100 gpd. Yepper, for about an hour or so. The agent is a storage solution used for long term membrane storage. It merely keeps the membrane soft and pliable until it used at a later date. IE it extends the shelf life. The temporary soft pliability increases flow through the membarne pores temporarily. It also means a higher TDS water during that period of time. Ethical dealers do not sell 75 gpd membranes as 100 gpd as does Spectra Pure and Purewater Club. Also note that none of Purewaterclubs prefilters or carbon cartridge housings are clear poly carbonate. One is a blue plastic (cheap polypropelene plastic) the other two are white polypropylene or PVC. That is about the cheapest most easily broken plastic available. (Nice quality, Huh?) The other two are even a cheaper plastic.

Quality systems have all prefilter and carbon housing made of clear polycarbonate housings. IE the Purewaterclub equipment is all cheaped down equipment made with the cheapest parts available regardless of the lower quality.
 

fatman7574

New Member
Thanks again for your input FatMan, I will take your word as always.
As for the Filter guys RO system you recommended, I will go with it and if it isnt up to par can I give you hell for it and negative feedback every one of your posts? haha :eyesmoke:
Sure I am so well loved and respected it will not matter. NOT. :sad:
 

JohneyGreenApple

Active Member
haha oh settledown fatman!
Ok so here we go fatman with knowing the following things which system from "the filter guys" are you going to recommend for me! :)

Well water
190 ppm (if I remember right lol) I know its in the high 100s- the mid 200s)
No chlorine bs added too our water so now which one are you telling me to buy buddy? :weed:

Sure I am so well loved and respected it will not matter. NOT. :sad:
 

fatman7574

New Member
Maybe you can go indepth of which bells and whistles I need and which base system I should order with what options!
I think I preety nuch described all the bells and whiltes short of talking about Spectrapures most expensivesysten which the Filter guys ac put to grther for an bout 50% of Specrta pures top su system. With there system it is just a regular RO filter system where they call the 75 GPd membarne a 100 gpd membrane. They then adda "unique" small circuit board that contri ols your back flush automatically. then they use a Larger than standard Di filter cartridge containing mixed bed resins made for large flows of water that only remove about 80% of mass of ions removed by standard mixed bed resins. They throw in a float valve. They caharge about 300% more for this poorly enginnered system.

If the budget is not a real strong concern I would get the Filter Guys standard system with two pressure gages (inlet before prefilters and one after prefilters), the back wash option nd an auto shut off valve. I would have them also install a ball valve at the filters entrance and the filters exit. Also ask them to send you a float valve for installation on a trash can. They ill know exactly waht you mean. Judge thedistance from yor filter outlet to your trash can and ask for enough tubing and the few ftiings needed for this. From the outlet ball vale run a line to a large trash can (32 gallon rubber n maid) and install the float valve. Turn on both ball valves and the system will run until the ball valves stops the drain. This will cause the auto shut off valve to stop wayer into the filter system. After you see your can is fuul shout off the two ball valves. Leave them closed until upu have used most of the water in the trash can. Then turn on the two ball valves and the systen m wit ll then fill the can again and shut off. Without the ball valves the sytem will run every time you remove a small amount of water.

RO filters work most efficiently and prodoce thehighets quality of water when run for long periods of time. IE running the filter for 5 g hours straight produces water more cheaply and of a higher quality than running ot 5 times for an f hour each time. The only other thing I would recoomend is if you have water pressure that is low and expect to use a large amount of water then add a bosster pump to boost the water pt ressure going into your pump. If you do decide to add this do not get the auto shut off as it will when used with a booster pi ump cause the pump to run noisy.

They are good guys and they will not try to sell you things you do not need. Tell them it is for growing and not a reef tank as or ther wise they will suggest a DI filter and an inline tds meter as a x zero TDS is the common goal of reef aquarium waterfiltray tion. With grwoers water does not need to be a that pure.

Use an airstone or a cheap small aquariun power head pump in the storage container. Ro filtered water is high in carbonates ions which turn to carbonic acid which causes a temporary lowering of pH. This if not out gassed as CO2 causes people to have PH adjustment problems as they boost the PH due to the acid effect of the Carbonate ions then the next day the can't figure out why thr pH has risen. This will go on foir days until the excess CO 2 leaves the nutrient water. Confuses the heck out of many growers.
 
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