400 vs 600 vs 1000 hid

EdGreyfox

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Ok, I'm pretty much a noob, but I've just had to deal with the whole issue of light distance from the plant, so I'll relate my experience and you can take it for whatever you think it's worth.

I just transplanted six 2-3" clones into three gallon pots eight day ago. I'm using a good sized house fan for cooling and ventilation, and the temp has been hovering between 78-81 most of the time (top end was 85, drops to about 65 at night with lights off). I'm using a 400w MH for vegging, and I started it off 20" over the plants. After 4 days the plants were showing signs of heat distress, so i decided to raise the light a few inches and see what happened. As of this morning they have all recovered quite well, and the leaves that were yellowing and browning are almost all going back to being dark green.

Now, it could have been that it was just a case of transplant shock, but I really do think that the lights were a little too close initially and needed to be moved, even if that did take them out of the "ideal" distance range by a few inches. I may be able to drop the lights down a bit closer once the plants are more mature, but with younger plants I think heat is a bigger worry then losing a few lumens. Might be one of the best arguments I've heard yet for using CFL's for vegging and saving the HID's for flowering.
 

williewill420

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I dont think you can ever have too much light but you can get your lights too close and bleach plants. I have gotten light bleach from keeping my 600 too close too my plants even tho temps were running good at the canopy.
 

Yota

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What would you guys put over a 9X4 space. was thinking of doing 3 600w lights. I dont have more than6 ft height wise, so I was worried that 2 1000w lights would make them too tall. Watcha think?
 

williewill420

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What would you guys put over a 9X4 space. was thinking of doing 3 600w lights. I dont have more than6 ft height wise, so I was worried that 2 1000w lights would make them too tall. Watcha think?
2x 600's would do great in that setup....The primary grow area for one 600 is 4 feet by 4 feet
 

GypsyBush

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The primary grow area for one 600 is 4 feet by 4 feet
I use a 600 for each 3x3 footprint... anymore than that and the corners are dim... unless you raise it.. then the whole thing dims...

I say 3x3 for a 600... 4x4 for a 1k...

But that is just my personal experience...:mrgreen:
 

williewill420

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I use a 600 for each 3x3 footprint... anymore than that and the corners are dim... unless you raise it.. then the whole thing dims...

I say 3x3 for a 600... 4x4 for a 1k...

But that is just my personal experience...:mrgreen:
Yea true true...its 4x4 on paper but closer too the bulb you get is best
 

GypsyBush

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Hydro. Im thinking of the ebb and grow system, using hydrotron.
Right on... have you considered using straight up ebb flow trays... a 3x3 tray under each light... 3 trays you could pull one tray down every 3 weeks... :-P
 

Yota

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Right on... have you considered using straight up ebb flow trays... a 3x3 tray under each light... 3 trays you could pull one tray down every 3 weeks... :-P
Yah dude. The last place I live I grew a 4X4 flood tray with a 600. Had it dialed in pretty good too. Now I am building my dream grow space. Not skipping anything, I've been meaning to take some photos for the site. I have been sheet rocking, insulating, everything. I installed plumbing to the room, and am even considering installing a CO2 burner bc i got a propane pipe in the room.

The only issue is the space I have to work with has a low ceiling. About 6 ft. So with the flood trays, and the rez below you lose a bit of space. If I use another system I can get more height which may allow me to switch to 1000's if I ever want. If you got any other system ideas better than the ebb and grow, Im open to ideas!

in addition Im going to have 2 3 X 3 ebb flow trays for my Veg room.
 

GypsyBush

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I m just not too hot on the whole "hoses everywhere" idea...

Ebb flow with the res under means that any leaks go into the res... safe...!

I would choose some wider/low profile res and go with the trays...

Like the 50 gallon rubbermaid stock tank (instead of the 100 gallon like I use...)



I don't mean to be harping on you, or your choice of system... I just really think that it's worth a little "finnagleing" to have such a simple and pretty much fail proof system...

The day I switch from ebb flow will be a sad day for me.. :eyesmoke:

But I'll be here to watch regardless...:lol:

Best of luck Bro! :razz:
 
Lumens do not add.. You have 2X600 you have 2 sources putting out the same output. Same thing with sound. If you have 1 speaker at 60dB and add 25 more speakers at 60dB you still only have 60dB. Check with the guys who have used an official instrument. They can show you
Yes!!! You right.

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When in my room 30*C - in my grow tent dr100 33-34*C - with 400wt hps with extremely cooling 350m/3 and closed reflector.

Now guided by his experience, I would suggest that it is possible to use the 600watts. This would raise the temperature to 37 * C in the peak times and for some varieties of mj is normal. Such varieties as skunks and all the relatives of skunks, for example, Super Lemon Haze love hot.
 
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